[Ulrik]

Im wondering...whole series I guessed that Talisa is Tywin´s spy (because Westerling family etc) and now it seems GRRM was trolling me and she really wrote letters to her mother... Or...was somewhere exactly pointed that she is Lannister spy (who went rogue pregnant) ?

And my wife gave me beautiful five minutes of stunned silence...)

[Dolorous Menhir]

Seems we are free to discuss any spoilers here. What are the predictions? Will the show swap Beric Dondarrion for Lady Stoneheart? Will Joffrey be poisoned at his own wedding? (I don't actually watch the show, no HBO, but have thoroughly enjoyed reading today's reactions.)

[Tattersail_]

The reactions from people I know..

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Jaw dropping forehead slapping game of thrones!

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Best Game Of Thrones episode ever!!!

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Well,who'd have thought that on Game of Thrones hey?!

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Judging by the reaction from the Daily Mail, this is apparently the worst scene in TV history lol

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GoT is insane this week.......no boobs this episode??? WTF!!!

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We did get a lot of boobs last week to compensate for this week

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Why do scallies think everyone wants to look at their raw spotty backs in the shop just because its sunny?

Oh wait that's it.

[dktorode]

This made me chuckle quite a bit

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[Ulrik]

OK. He´s definetly not happy.

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

Season 3 soundtrack is on spotify.

[Kanese S's]

 Dolorous Menhir, on 04 June 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

Will Joffrey be poisoned at his own wedding?

He fucking better be.

[Kanese S's]

 Ulrik, on 04 June 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Im wondering...whole series I guessed that Talisa is Tywin´s spy (because Westerling family etc) and now it seems GRRM was trolling me and she really wrote letters to her mother... Or...was somewhere exactly pointed that she is Lannister spy (who went rogue pregnant) ?

My hypothesis is that they dropped a bunch of fake clues to her being a Lannister spy and then brutally killed her in the Red Wedding specifically to make those theorizing that she's a spy feel bad.

[Terez]

I saw it less as an attempt to make us feel guilty and more as an attempt to preserve the element of surprise for book-readers. It was a little more brutal than we expected it to be (as if it wasn't bad enough in the first place).

[amphibian]

What false clues were laid in for Talisa being a spy? This was completely innocuous stuff that was turned into something suspicious by people too quick on the trigger. It's the echo chamber in effect with no actual thing to create an echo at the start.

[worry]

Exactly. It must be people who can't bear to hear "the kissing parts" of the story. I wouldn't blame GRRM at all if he was annoyed with them.

[worry]

In other words, I don't actually think those three posts above mine are contradictory.

[Terez]

 amphibian, on 05 June 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

What false clues were laid in for Talisa being a spy?

Not sure if this is a serious question or not; there was a video made about it posted earlier in the thread. They are the same sort of details that we know for sure really are clues, so it doesn't make much sense to say they were the product of overactive imaginations just because they didn't lead anywhere. They might or might not have been intentional; if they were intentional, then they were red herrings.

[Malaclypse]

I think they missed a trick leaving out the Greatjon - when I think of the Red Wedding, I first think of the Greatjon flipping over the table, getting riddled with bolts, etc.

Otherwise solid.

[Tapper]

With Talisa's death, does that spoiler that Jeyne Westerling + baby are now also formally of no consequence whatsoever for the books?

[worry]

Here's the GRRM interview from Conan (on youtube, hope it stays up):

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[Dolmen 2.0]

Whoever that was who slit the old ladies throat, Fuck that guy. Seriously, as I'm not at all well read in the books this series has shocked me silly but that last bit made me wanna kick the TV!!

Team Khaleesi now has all my support. i hope that old man sizzles!!

[Kanese S's]

 amphibian, on 05 June 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

What false clues were laid in for Talisa being a spy? This was completely innocuous stuff that was turned into something suspicious by people too quick on the trigger. It's the echo chamber in effect with no actual thing to create an echo at the start.

There's this thing called a joke. You know, humor. Very recent invention.

[Kanese S's]

 Terez, on 05 June 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

 amphibian, on 05 June 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

What false clues were laid in for Talisa being a spy?

Not sure if this is a serious question or not; there was a video made about it posted earlier in the thread. They are the same sort of details that we know for sure really are clues, so it doesn't make much sense to say they were the product of overactive imaginations just because they didn't lead anywhere. They might or might not have been intentional; if they were intentional, then they were red herrings.

I was referencing the various ideas that Talisa was a spy in a joke about Martin and co. trying to make us feel even more bad.

Clearly, I should not attempt light-heartedness, as it would appear I'm no good at it.

[Ulrik]

For me to the bloody and (and a little bit longer!) was Talisa Tywin´s spy. From her first appeareance there are prolonged cuts on her writing letter, hints on her being in fact from "enemy camp", asking about strategy...and of course, there is Westerling parallel So it was IMO great play from Martin and writers team. Even when she was stabbed I thought "Yeah...got rid of rogue spy and heir".