[Tattersail_]

It might be here somewhere, what is happening on the ship? Quick Ben says they are traveling a warren. Time was distorted, they are traveling a vast distance yet where to, why? Who is doing it? Salk elan ie

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pearl

I don't get this part of the journey.

[Khellendros]

Salk Elan is using a mind-controlling warren (still unnamed in DG I think, but it is mentioned by Kalam at one point)

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Mockra

, in order to warp the reality which Kalam and the rest of the crew are experiencing. This is most apparent in his control over the captain, which the captain is constantly trying to fight.

The aim, I suppose, was to 'escort' Kalam to Malaz City rather than Unta without Kalam being able to do anything about it, and arrive there at a point when Laseen and the Claw would be prepared.

[tiam]

Mockra is mentioned in GOTM. Its Calots warren and thus not a spoiler.

[Abyss]

I could be wrong, but wasn't Salk Elan just along for the ride, and it was the crooked Aren govenor's mage who was messing with the warren and the captain in order to steal the Aren treasury, hence the big fight between pirates and marines with Kalam taking out an enkar'al at one point and Salk taking out the gov's mage?

Then once the gov's evil plan to was foiled, Salk nudges the warren to spit them out at Malaz where th Claw is waiting for Kalam.

The events were a bit chaotic, but that's how i remember it.

[Khellendros]

Abyss, on 05 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I could be wrong, but wasn't Salk Elan just along for the ride, and it was the crooked Aren govenor's mage who was messing with the warren and the captain in order to steal the Aren treasury, hence the big fight between pirates and marines with Kalam taking out an enkar'al at one point and Salk taking out the gov's mage?

Then once the gov's evil plan to was foiled, Salk nudges the warren to spit them out at Malaz where th Claw is waiting for Kalam.

The events were a bit chaotic, but that's how i remember it.

You mean the treasurer? I don't believe he was a mage, though I may be wrong. I thought he was just a sleazy, oily, corrupt, but entirely mundane guy.

Although now you mention it, it is possible that a mage on the pirate boat (the treasurer's relatives) which was shadowing the Ragstopper before attacking it might have been doing some manipulating too - though I thought that was mainly the heavy fog etc. that they were creating, and the enkar'al once they attack.

[worry]

I guess we'll never know.

[Abyss]

No either the treasurer had a mage on call and/or the enkaral was the mage's soletaken form...

[Tattersail_]

Salk Elan doesn't actually claim that he did it though. Although he does do some mind mumbo jumbo on Kalam near the end of the trip. Is that the first time we see something like that used? I've always thought kalam and Co indestructable but with him being thrown to the sharks and Fiddler almost dying earlier on in the book my view on this changed. If Mappo/Icarium were not around then Fid, Apsalar and Crokus would have died.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

The Path of Hands scene was a pleasure beyond pleasure. With the Gral chasing them, the soletaken and d'ivers coming unseen - BUT NOT UNHEARD - from the storm...just epic, every stretch. But I don't know if Apsalar would be dead. Def Crokus and Fid. And wasnt Moby assisting as well?

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Stalking Stonny, on 06 March 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

The Path of Hands scene was a pleasure beyond pleasure. With the Gral chasing them, the soletaken and d'ivers coming unseen - BUT NOT UNHEARD - from the storm...just epic, every stretch. But I don't know if Apsalar would be dead. Def Crokus and Fid. And wasnt Moby assisting as well?

Yeah they later say that they heard fighting in the storm and put 2 and 2 together. Apsalar is badass like you say. It's Fiddler the one that I was surprised about because he always seemed indestructible to me.

[Abyss]

Tattersail, on 06 March 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Stalking Stonny, on 06 March 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

The Path of Hands scene was a pleasure beyond pleasure. With the Gral chasing them, the soletaken and d'ivers coming unseen - BUT NOT UNHEARD - from the storm...just epic, every stretch. But I don't know if Apsalar would be dead. Def Crokus and Fid. And wasnt Moby assisting as well?

Yeah they later say that they heard fighting in the storm and put 2 and 2 together. Apsalar is badass like you say. It's Fiddler the one that I was surprised about because he always seemed indestructible to me.

My absolute favorite part of that scene is Fid's Gral horse guarding him against the soletaken.


Back on topic, Salk/Pearl definitely Mokra messes with Kalam before he stabs him and pitches him over the side, but i'm fairly certain there was another mage working for the treasurer who is messing with the entire ship earlier.

As a plot point that also helps reconcile the relative brevity of Kalam's plotlines with the more extended Chain of Dogs story. Raraku and Tremolor have a similar effect for Fid and co.

[Tattersail_]

Now how cool is it that Kalam can control the blood flow from minor wounds, and that he can change the temperature of his body at will. We haven't seen any other character perform these sort of actions and it does show how bad ass Kalam is.

Back to Pearl's magic. Face to face with Kalam could he do this every time? Make Kalam keep his hands his side whilst waltzing over and stabbing him multiple times? Is this why kalam works best with Quick Ben?

edit - Or do you think he can only do this because Kalam is already affected by magic?

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[Abyss]

Tattersail, on 06 March 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Now how cool is it that Kalam can control the blood flow from minor wounds, and that he can change the temperature of his body at will. We haven't seen any other character perform these sort of actions and it does show how bad ass Kalam is.

It's never clear whether this is a Claw or Falahd trick, but either way it's pretty awesome and starts the sequence in DG where Kalam goes from sucker to utter complete and total Claw-hunting badass in just a few pages and proves exactly why everyone was so concerned about what he was up to.

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Back to Pearl's magic. Face to face with Kalam could he do this every time? Make Kalam keep his hands his side whilst waltzing over and stabbing him multiple times? Is this why kalam works best with Quick Ben?

edit - Or do you think he can only do this because Kalam is already affected by magic?

Trudging into Ho'd Win territory here, but Pearl caught Kalam by surprise. In theory, someone suitably strong could 'will' their way free of a Mokra zap, but that would depend on multiple things including the strength of the mage, and Pearl verged on High Mage levels so it's anything but clear and exactly why generally Mages work well with someone who can watch their backs and deal with the physical problems while they deal with the warrens, see also Kellanved and Dancer and every instance of 'always an even exchange'.

[Tattersail_]

Abyss, on 06 March 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

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Back to Pearl's magic. Face to face with Kalam could he do this every time? Make Kalam keep his hands his side whilst waltzing over and stabbing him multiple times? Is this why kalam works best with Quick Ben?

edit - Or do you think he can only do this because Kalam is already affected by magic?

Trudging into Ho'd Win territory here, but Pearl caught Kalam by surprise. In theory, someone suitably strong could 'will' their way free of a Mokra zap, but that would depend on multiple things including the strength of the mage, and Pearl verged on High Mage levels so it's anything but clear and exactly why generally Mages work well with someone who can watch their backs and deal with the physical problems while they deal with the warrens, see also Kellanved and Dancer and every instance of 'always an even exchange'.

Rather than go into that territory I'd say pearl would not have been able to accomplish Kalam's journey through Malaz City. Kalam is special and old school whereas Pearl would have relied too much on sorcery. Pearl did catch Kalam off guard though, why do you think that was, because Kalam came to know Pearl, or rather accept Pearl on the journey yet Kalam was wary of him all along. So he should have been on guard from the get go.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

Tattersail, on 06 March 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Now how cool is it that Kalam can control the blood flow from minor wounds, and that he can change the temperature of his body at will. We haven't seen any other character perform these sort of actions and it does show how bad ass Kalam is.

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