[Anomandaris]

Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

Night is over:
The night was extremely active, after the successes and failures in obtaining Gemhearts, and death reigned on the plateaus.

Ampelas is dead. He was Parshendi and Brujah.

Tennes is dead. He was Sadeas's Elite Guard and Khell

Tulas Shorn is dead, He was Dalinar Kholin's Captain and Blend

Meanas is dead, he was Thanadar's Elite Guard and Gnaw

These death's caused quite a stir. Who had caused them? Who benefited from them? All in the camps wondered.

.....

Back to talking about the Night. Two "Elite Guards" would say to me we probably have proof of mirrored factions amongst the Alethi as was previously discussed on thread. One "Captain" which I'm figuring is a bigger loss out of sheer semantics. However, somebody from the Parshendi either has a kill, some faction mechanic gives Alethi factions more than one kill, or there is an independent, in descending order of likelihood, imo.

Will be interested in seeing the next Parshendi CF to see if it is more detailed than just "parshendi." Otherwise, who on that faction would have a kill? Occam's razor says maybe leaders?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 25 hours 6 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 vote Telas: Kaschan
1 vote Sorrit: Silanah

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Karosis,, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

[Olar Ethil]

Here and reading up

[Sorrit]

Well... re-read the thread. And wtf. There's still nothing. Either that, or people are actually signalling like crazy, and I can't tell because fuck signalling, that's why.

Also, my avatar's creeping me out, the way it's staring at me like that. That's probably a sign I should go to bed already.

OH, and I almost forgot-

OMGUS


vote Silanah

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

Back to talking about the Night. Two "Elite Guards" would say to me we probably have proof of mirrored factions amongst the Alethi as was previously discussed on thread. One "Captain" which I'm figuring is a bigger loss out of sheer semantics. However, somebody from the Parshendi either has a kill, some faction mechanic gives Alethi factions more than one kill, or there is an independent, in descending order of likelihood, imo.

Will be interested in seeing the next Parshendi CF to see if it is more detailed than just "parshendi." Otherwise, who on that faction would have a kill? Occam's razor says maybe leaders?

Did just realize something - if captains sound like they're bigger deals than elite guards, then what would that mean? They have NKs? We know what guards do (duh), but I'd definitely like to know what both captains and faction leaders do (besides killing, presumably). Then again, assuming faction leaders can kill, then maybe captains don't NK but do something else. Unless a captain has one NK for the whole game? If that's the case, then maybe none of the Parshendi killed at all, and the night actions came from 2 people from one faction, and one each from the rest; I don't see why we're necessarily assuming one kill from each faction.

Ok, I don't think I'm making sense anymore. Good night all!

[Olar Ethil]

Sorrit, on 21 February 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

Back to talking about the Night. Two "Elite Guards" would say to me we probably have proof of mirrored factions amongst the Alethi as was previously discussed on thread. One "Captain" which I'm figuring is a bigger loss out of sheer semantics. However, somebody from the Parshendi either has a kill, some faction mechanic gives Alethi factions more than one kill, or there is an independent, in descending order of likelihood, imo.

Will be interested in seeing the next Parshendi CF to see if it is more detailed than just "parshendi." Otherwise, who on that faction would have a kill? Occam's razor says maybe leaders?

Did just realize something - if captains sound like they're bigger deals than elite guards, then what would that mean? They have NKs? We know what guards do (duh), but I'd definitely like to know what both captains and faction leaders do (besides killing, presumably). Then again, assuming faction leaders can kill, then maybe captains don't NK but do something else. Unless a captain has one NK for the whole game? If that's the case, then maybe none of the Parshendi killed at all, and the night actions came from 2 people from one faction, and one each from the rest; I don't see why we're necessarily assuming one kill from each faction.

Ok, I don't think I'm making sense anymore. Good night all!

Could be anything, really. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like captains can NK, and elite guards can guard and (/or?) take a hit for their captain (with Tulas Shorn's elite guard being guarded last night, or something like that).

After enough CFs we'll probably know all the different role names and can probably make slightly better guesses, but I doubt we'll really be able to figure it out from just the names. The biggest question/info I think is if there is a role higher than captain, ie prince or general.

[Olar Ethil]

Thread-wise today, doesn't seem to be much to comment on yet. One thing I noted though is that all the post-4-deaths commentary has been mostly about Amp the Parshendi and Tulas. Even the people making big posts of commentary (ie Kaschan) don't talk about Tennes or Meanas at all. Given that we don't know an elite guard is any better or worse than a captain, I think that maybe points towards them being on Meanas' or Tennes' teams...

[Olar Ethil]

That's about all I've got tonight. Will be on tomorrow, though, many hours before the deadline and with much more time to spare.

[Anomandaris]

Olar Ethil, on 21 February 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

Thread-wise today, doesn't seem to be much to comment on yet. One thing I noted though is that all the post-4-deaths commentary has been mostly about Amp the Parshendi and Tulas. Even the people making big posts of commentary (ie Kaschan) don't talk about Tennes or Meanas at all. Given that we don't know an elite guard is any better or worse than a captain, I think that maybe points towards them being on Meanas' or Tennes' teams...

We don't know. I agree. Do you think a "Captain" is higher ranked than "Elite Guard"? Just semantically speaking. Nothing is set in stone, but I disagree with just about everything you just posted.

And, if nobody talked about Meanas or Tennes and people who didn't talk about them are on their teams, well then fuck, we've got some pretty massive factions and somebody is getting screwed.

[Liosan]

Quote

There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.

From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Quote

There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.

From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.

Your ability to note things others haven't mentioned before is really stunning.

[Atrahal]

Olar Ethil, on 21 February 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

Thread-wise today, doesn't seem to be much to comment on yet. One thing I noted though is that all the post-4-deaths commentary has been mostly about Amp the Parshendi and Tulas. Even the people making big posts of commentary (ie Kaschan) don't talk about Tennes or Meanas at all. Given that we don't know an elite guard is any better or worse than a captain, I think that maybe points towards them being on Meanas' or Tennes' teams...

I guess another reason for that could be that the Parshendi are the odd faction out and that Tulas was the main target just before timeout yesterday.

[Atrahal]

Actually

Vote Liosan


for pretending that his ideas are original, when they have been discussed a page before already.

[Liosan]

Atrahal, on 21 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Quote

There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.

From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.

Your ability to note things others haven't mentioned before is really stunning.

I say it my own way. I come up with my own thoughts. Like you in the post above. Very insightful. Whatever else did you do to help us figure something out? Hmm, wait there. Just read up and you haven't produced anything new yourself. Outstanding. Clap of the hands for Atrahal. I have been reading up this morning, was not around towards back end of last night so if I mentioned something someone else did a page ago, what of it?



Come down of your high horse and actually produce something yourself because you saying the above is only repeating what someone has already said earlier in the game and that makes you a hypocrite.

[Liosan]

cross post.



I was actually about to make a case on Telas. Which I will do a bit later cause your snippy comments have rubbed me up the wrong way. Look at your posts and what you just said you dick.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Quote

There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.

From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.

Your ability to note things others haven't mentioned before is really stunning.

I say it my own way. I come up with my own thoughts. Like you in the post above. Very insightful. Whatever else did you do to help us figure something out? Hmm, wait there. Just read up and you haven't produced anything new yourself. Outstanding. Clap of the hands for Atrahal. I have been reading up this morning, was not around towards back end of last night so if I mentioned something someone else did a page ago, what of it?



Come down of your high horse and actually produce something yourself because you saying the above is only repeating what someone has already said earlier in the game and that makes you a hypocrite.

Oh, so because I note that you do something again and point that out I'm repeating what has been said on the earlier incident. Damned straight.
I admit that I haven't done so much myself, but I really dislike repeating others and those things I found noteworthy are usually pointed out really quick, aka before I have read the thread.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

cross post.



I was actually about to make a case on Telas. Which I will do a bit later cause your snippy comments have rubbed me up the wrong way. Look at your posts and what you just said you dick.

Awww....

[Liosan]

A couple of posts coming here. First off the whole vote and remove vote thing between Ruse and Telas.

Telas, on 19 February 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 19 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Galain, on 19 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

Ok so far the only thing that I have seen that looks like it might be signaling is the interactions between Meanas and Tennes and then Meanas and Telas.

Notice the underlined that is the first mention of bugs.

Meanas, on 18 February 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Tennes, on 18 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Second and three-quarters!

Just because you don't call yourself a third doesn't mean your're not one! You're just a stinking third. Don't think that you're going to get special treatment around here turd third. No Battle School in your future.

Tennes, on 18 February 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

No it isn't, we were just testing the thread, erm, connections. Come back next week.

Already trying to screw with your betters. That's just the type of bug loving behavior to be expected from a third.

Now a few posts later Telas is attempting to signal Meanas and I assume Tennes. There was only one post that mentioned bugs until Telas brings it up.

Telas, on 18 February 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

This isn't Space Troopers peeps. Get over the insects.

Then Meanas signals back that he understood.

Meanas, on 18 February 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

Telas, on 18 February 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

This isn't Space Troopers peeps. Get over the insects.

Peeps? What do marshmallow bunny rabbits have to do with bugger loving thirds?

Now it seems that since Meanas is signaling Tennes that Meanas might have cause to think that Tennes is on his team but doesn't know him. So it would stand to reason that since Telas was the one to signal to Meanas that could mean that Telas has cause to know that Meanas is on is team but that Meanas doesn't know him. I think that any three of these deserves a vote. Since Telas already has a couple of votes and nobody has tried to deflect I think that he might be low in the hierarchy. So with that in mind I am going to vote for Tennes.


Vote Tennes

So if I understand you correctly, you're assuming that they both know someone on their team, but not the same person? So like, maybe they know the next person up in the hierarchy?

I dunno, in a faction game, I'm more inclined to believe that everyone knows their faction leader and no one else (faction leader doesn't know his/her team). This makes me a bit skeptical of the above case.

However, given that Tennes never actually said anything about bugs, I could go with a Meanas and Telas connection. Given that it seems that Telas signaled at Meanas, I'm thinking that would make Meanas the leader... so I'd be willing to drop my vote there. That being said, I'm still gonna hold for a bit, see what else is out there.

I love it when people speculate about faction mechanics. So obviously you know some in your faction. Question is, does your language hint more at a leader (providing misinformation about leaders not knowing their team) or a follower.

The problem with the bug link, btw, is that the type of bug reference given by Meanas is he was referring to a defect or hiccup in coding. I was intentionally misunderstanding that and instead word playing with bug = insect. This makes the potential link even more tenuous imho, but I doubt anyone will take my word for it.

If you are looking for interactions, you have failed to mention the banter between Ruse and Meanas (ruse is ruse is rusing). In fact, Meanas seems to make a lot of connections, so I find it hard to believe any one of those are a solid link. I would tend to looking at Meanas' play style as flirty not giving too much undue weight to any of his flirtations, but if you want to sow confusion and misinformation, go right ahead.

Remove Vote

This looks like signalling to me, the way they voted for each other and removed vote. In fact looking at what Telas said in his "remove vote" post I don't see why he removed. He implied there was a possible connection to Ruse and Meanas but then continues to focus on Meanas but removes vote from Ruse.

[Liosan]

Shit I highlighted each vote and remove. I do not know why they did not all appear.

[Liosan]

This is the initial vote.

Ruse, on 19 February 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Telas, on 18 February 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

Ruse, on 18 February 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 18 February 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

I love emoticons that give away the player in the alt.

Kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Lies! XD

Thanks for making it easy.


Vote Ruse.



edit: bolded

How rude

Vote Telas

I don't like his face