[Hinter]

I is back, but I is also at work and will be busy for the next few hours.

Only had a quick scan but Tatts makes some good points and I have not liked Blend since day one, as my voting record will prove. Will have a proper catch up before posting again when work calms down.

@Tapper - the stilton was pasteurised but still bloody lovely.

[Sixty]

Back and all caught up.

That was an interesting turn of events--I definitely agree that Dude was most likely the symp. Which brings us back to whom he was trying to protect: either Blend or Tatts. I originally found Tatts more suspicious but if the Dude was the symp it's definitely more probable that he was defending Blend than Tatts.

[Lady Bliss]

Don't everybody talk at once...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 23 hours and 21 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Blend, Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tattersail ( Blend )
2 Votes for Blend ( Lady Bliss, Tattersail )

Players not voted: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper

[Tapper]

The issue I see is this:

Tatts drags up some nice quotes, and they do paint a bit of a picture: Blend is definately nervous and some of his comments like 'I played that one wrong' are not what you expect: if he was interesting in making a case, he'd amend it, instead of coming with a comment like that. It is almost as if Blend is curling his moustache and adjusting his monocle when he types it, his other hand occupied stroking a white cat, just before donning his black and red cape and playing the church organ in his living room.
It is also a bit contrived, and all in all, without the diligence Tatts showed in digging it all up and all of his side comments, there is very little there when you read it by yourself. It all smells circumstantial, really - even though it may be the best we have.

There is another intriguing thought: what if The Dude was town, trying to press a lynch on someone he wanted lynched? After all, being wrong is not discernable, so as a townie, you can afford to be wrong, too, without being strung up. And if we all see him as the symp, that opens the way for the real symp to open up his box of tricks to establish his own thread domination.

I am not saying my scenario is true. It is something to remember, though. And Tatts is definately stepping into the vacuum left for him by the deaths of both The Dude (who can paraded as the on-thread symp) and Khell (who was the townie pushing the hardest). Moreover, he is partly using Khell's suspicions as his wheelbarrow.
Naturally, time restraints have something to do with thread presence - Tatts usually has some time at his disposal, and he has a penchant for reading back

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 22 January 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

The issue I see is this:

Tatts drags up some nice quotes, and they do paint a bit of a picture: Blend is definately nervous and some of his comments like 'I played that one wrong' are not what you expect: if he was interesting in making a case, he'd amend it, instead of coming with a comment like that. It is almost as if Blend is curling his moustache and adjusting his monocle when he types it, his other hand occupied stroking a white cat, just before donning his black and red cape and playing the church organ in his living room.
It is also a bit contrived, and all in all, without the diligence Tatts showed in digging it all up and all of his side comments, there is very little there when you read it by yourself. It all smells circumstantial, really - even though it may be the best we have.

There is another intriguing thought: what if The Dude was town, trying to press a lynch on someone he wanted lynched? After all, being wrong is not discernable, so as a townie, you can afford to be wrong, too, without being strung up. And if we all see him as the symp, that opens the way for the real symp to open up his box of tricks to establish his own thread domination.

I am not saying my scenario is true. It is something to remember, though. And Tatts is definately stepping into the vacuum left for him by the deaths of both The Dude (who can paraded as the on-thread symp) and Khell (who was the townie pushing the hardest). Moreover, he is partly using Khell's suspicions as his wheelbarrow.
Naturally, time restraints have something to do with thread presence - Tatts usually has some time at his disposal, and he has a penchant for reading back

What irks me, as you can see, is the fact that I have said all that, created the case and even though Blend has been online, he hasn't replied to any of it. What's all that about?


The other thing I notice is how little everyone else is contributing, to catch scum we need to work together, this feels like a lot of resistance to Blend. Yes, people could be on holiday, but I'm doubtful everyone is.

[Tapper]

Tattersail, on 22 January 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Tapper, on 22 January 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

The issue I see is this:

Tatts drags up some nice quotes, and they do paint a bit of a picture: Blend is definately nervous and some of his comments like 'I played that one wrong' are not what you expect: if he was interesting in making a case, he'd amend it, instead of coming with a comment like that. It is almost as if Blend is curling his moustache and adjusting his monocle when he types it, his other hand occupied stroking a white cat, just before donning his black and red cape and playing the church organ in his living room.
It is also a bit contrived, and all in all, without the diligence Tatts showed in digging it all up and all of his side comments, there is very little there when you read it by yourself. It all smells circumstantial, really - even though it may be the best we have.

There is another intriguing thought: what if The Dude was town, trying to press a lynch on someone he wanted lynched? After all, being wrong is not discernable, so as a townie, you can afford to be wrong, too, without being strung up. And if we all see him as the symp, that opens the way for the real symp to open up his box of tricks to establish his own thread domination.

I am not saying my scenario is true. It is something to remember, though. And Tatts is definately stepping into the vacuum left for him by the deaths of both The Dude (who can paraded as the on-thread symp) and Khell (who was the townie pushing the hardest). Moreover, he is partly using Khell's suspicions as his wheelbarrow.
Naturally, time restraints have something to do with thread presence - Tatts usually has some time at his disposal, and he has a penchant for reading back

What irks me, as you can see, is the fact that I have said all that, created the case and even though Blend has been online, he hasn't replied to any of it. What's all that about?


The other thing I notice is how little everyone else is contributing, to catch scum we need to work together, this feels like a lot of resistance to Blend. Yes, people could be on holiday, but I'm doubtful everyone is.

He might be trying to laugh it off. Personally I'd say it would backfire as there are already 2 votes on him.
I don't mind voting for him as well, I think there is *some* substance to it, but that would push him beyond the 50% point and make him basically the lazy lynch that people will jump on without much explanation. In a CF-less game, I like explanations and motivations quite a lot.

[Tattersail_]

Other than my case what else do you think of the game?

[Tapper]

Tattersail, on 22 January 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Other than my case what else do you think of the game?

A lot of people seems skittish: The Dude played a-typical, Blend seems to be quite loose, Silencer and HO play their usual selves, and so was Khell. You don't seem much different, I am hindered by time, don't have much of a read on anyone else. Mind you, people playing their usual selves are still fricking suspicious

[HiddenOne]

back for today, had to work until almost 10PM last night so didn't make it back on

I am still leaning toward Blend, I haven't seen anything to change my mind about that.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 13 hours and 37 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Blend, Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tattersail ( Blend )
2 Votes for Blend ( Lady Bliss, Tattersail )

Players not voted: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper

[Blend]

Blend, on 21 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

Tatts you're so full of shit I can smell you from across the pond. As you can see above, I HAVE responded to your 'case'. It blows my mind that some people are letting you vet away with blatantly lying on thread.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 22 January 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Blend, on 21 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

Tatts you're so full of shit I can smell you from across the pond. As you can see above, I HAVE responded to your 'case'. It blows my mind that some people are letting you vet away with blatantly lying on thread.

Blend post 483 and 484. There's quite a lot there for you. Post 489 you are on. 505 Tapper also mentions you.

You are not playing in the interest of town by not responding and letting day time out without any sort of defense. The fact that you still have only 2 votes on you with just over a third of the day left to go and many people are quiet is telling.

[Path-Shaper]

Bonecaster, on 21 January 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Martin Luthor King's birthday

Most suspicious thing I have seen all game. Oh wait I'm not playing...DOhhhhh





Venge

[Silencer]

Sorry for my absence. Got a big assignment work on due Thursday. I don't know if I'll be on in time to avoid day timing out (between the need to sleep and the need to get shit done), so I'm going to have to abstain from voting seeing as I'm not up with the thread and don't want to drop a careless vote out at this point.

If I'm on before day end I'll see about catching up and voting if needed. Sorry guys, RL calls...

[Blend]

Tattersail, on 22 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Blend, on 22 January 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Blend, on 21 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

Tatts you're so full of shit I can smell you from across the pond. As you can see above, I HAVE responded to your 'case'. It blows my mind that some people are letting you vet away with blatantly lying on thread.

Blend post 483 and 484. There's quite a lot there for you. Post 489 you are on. 505 Tapper also mentions you.

You are not playing in the interest of town by not responding and letting day time out without any sort of defense. The fact that you still have only 2 votes on you with just over a third of the day left to go and many people are quiet is telling.

Posts 483 and 484 are about how you are connecting other people (Gnaw and Khell) to me. I can't speak to other people's motivations, otherwise you're going to turn around and tell me I'm putting words in the mouths of dead people, and that's scummy cause they can't defend themselves. So there's really nothing for me to say to those posts. I have responded to your accusations of me, and I've refuted them.

As for Tapper's post, he's commenting on your case against me. He's basically reiterating what I said in the post I quoted above, so I don't see that there's anything there for me to say anything about. Your case IS circumstantial, and you're making connections that don't exist. It's like you're trying to shove a puzzle piece that obviously doesn't fit into place by jamming it in as hard as you can. I can only hope that the resistance to voting for me is because your case is so flimsy, but you're right, it's frustrating to not having anything else to go on.

I'll reiterate again that I can't believe people are letting you get away with blatantly lying on thread, but hey, I guess it's easier to just go along with the vocal players' theories then take the time to actually think critically or for yourself. Mafia is not conducive to independent thought, I mean, look at me, I try to do so and I'm apparently scummy as hell for it. *shrugs*

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 22 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Blend, on 22 January 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Blend, on 21 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

Tatts you're so full of shit I can smell you from across the pond. As you can see above, I HAVE responded to your 'case'. It blows my mind that some people are letting you vet away with blatantly lying on thread.

Blend post 483 and 484. There's quite a lot there for you. Post 489 you are on. 505 Tapper also mentions you.

You are not playing in the interest of town by not responding and letting day time out without any sort of defense. The fact that you still have only 2 votes on you with just over a third of the day left to go and many people are quiet is telling.

Posts 483 and 484 are about how you are connecting other people (Gnaw and Khell) to me. I can't speak to other people's motivations, otherwise you're going to turn around and tell me I'm putting words in the mouths of dead people, and that's scummy cause they can't defend themselves. So there's really nothing for me to say to those posts. I have responded to your accusations of me, and I've refuted them.

As for Tapper's post, he's commenting on your case against me. He's basically reiterating what I said in the post I quoted above, so I don't see that there's anything there for me to say anything about. Your case IS circumstantial, and you're making connections that don't exist. It's like you're trying to shove a puzzle piece that obviously doesn't fit into place by jamming it in as hard as you can. I can only hope that the resistance to voting for me is because your case is so flimsy, but you're right, it's frustrating to not having anything else to go on.

I'll reiterate again that I can't believe people are letting you get away with blatantly lying on thread, but hey, I guess it's easier to just go along with the vocal players' theories then take the time to actually think critically or for yourself. Mafia is not conducive to independent thought, I mean, look at me, I try to do so and I'm apparently scummy as hell for it. *shrugs*

So they don't warrant discussion by you? You just ignore what I post and then call me a liar? Where have I lied? You're just sour cause "you played the game wrong"!

[Hinter]

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Scrap that, just remembered Gnaw is dead. I had to go up to read the vote count at the top of the page. This is what no note taking gets you.

Seriously, you people make notes? I'm obviously not treating this game with the gravity it deserves.

[Hinter]

Tapper, on 22 January 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

The issue I see is this:

Tatts drags up some nice quotes, and they do paint a bit of a picture: Blend is definately nervous and some of his comments like 'I played that one wrong' are not what you expect: if he was interesting in making a case, he'd amend it, instead of coming with a comment like that. It is almost as if Blend is curling his moustache and adjusting his monocle when he types it, his other hand occupied stroking a white cat, just before donning his black and red cape and playing the church organ in his living room.
It is also a bit contrived, and all in all, without the diligence Tatts showed in digging it all up and all of his side comments, there is very little there when you read it by yourself. It all smells circumstantial, really - even though it may be the best we have.

There is another intriguing thought: what if The Dude was town, trying to press a lynch on someone he wanted lynched? After all, being wrong is not discernable, so as a townie, you can afford to be wrong, too, without being strung up. And if we all see him as the symp, that opens the way for the real symp to open up his box of tricks to establish his own thread domination.

I am not saying my scenario is true. It is something to remember, though. And Tatts is definately stepping into the vacuum left for him by the deaths of both The Dude (who can paraded as the on-thread symp) and Khell (who was the townie pushing the hardest). Moreover, he is partly using Khell's suspicions as his wheelbarrow.
Naturally, time restraints have something to do with thread presence - Tatts usually has some time at his disposal, and he has a penchant for reading back

Regarding The Dude I am considering him scum as if his reveal was genuine he would have been modkilled.

I agree that he was most likely the symp and with his jihad against HO, Tatts and Blend are the candidates for who he was symping.

vote Blend

And hope something useful comes out of it.

Got to say, with no CF I thought there might be something in the night scenes that would help us bit it seems not.

[Tattersail_]

Hinter, on 22 January 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Scrap that, just remembered Gnaw is dead. I had to go up to read the vote count at the top of the page. This is what no note taking gets you.

Seriously, you people make notes? I'm obviously not treating this game with the gravity it deserves.

I usually make notes yes, on most games. The higher the TDMi the more complex with diagrams and spreadsheets.