[Lady Bliss]

Yes. I'm sure you are ALL right. I'm going to have another glass of wine, and I assume all will be made clear.

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 23 January 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

Uhm, I may still be immersed in my assignment and therefore a bit slow, but I'm not seeing a reveal in there? What role is he claiming? I'd say something like that in regards to the fact that I, for example, *know* I am Town, while you, obviously, do not.

Not one to give the newbies a free ride but can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly he's revealing there? (The Dude basically outright claimed Finder, comparatively speaking...)

See underlined in my post, no different to the Dudes reveal imho.

Sixty, on 23 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

I got the impression that bonecaster was saying "I know I'm inno, you voted me therefore you must be scum".

What do you guys mean by a soft reveal?

Which would be pure OMGUS as Bliss pointed out. I'm looking at people connected with Blend/Dude this guy stuck out so far.

[Bonecaster]

I didn't reveal. The reason Hinter voted for me is because he thinks there is a connection between Blend and me. That is wrong. Blend was Scum. He admitted it by saying he thinks all players are Scum.

[Hinter]

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

I didn't reveal. The reason Hinter voted for me is because he thinks there is a connection between Blend and me. That is wrong. Blend was Scum. He admitted it by saying he thinks all players are Scum.

Which is a scummy tactic - muddying the waters just before your demise to protect you scummy friends, in this case. you and a.n.other whom I haven't found yet.

The reason I think you are connected with Blend was posted earlier.

[Silencer]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Your theory is entirely wrong. As will be proven when the game is over. That's the problem with Mafia. It's all absurd paranoia. Nobody in a Town can be friends with each other. (At the time of those early posts, I hadn't the slightest idea Blend was Scum. Not until he posted that he thought there were 3 teams of 4 Scum.) Any and every word that is not an attempt to rat out Scum is assumed to be an attempt to hide Scum. Ridiculous. WIFOM should be *A* tool of the game; it shouldn't be the game's entirety.

But now that you're going the paranoia route, and for a reason that I know (and you will learn) is most definitely wrong, turnabout is fair play. So for what it's worth,

vote Hinter

BOOM! Hinter hits scum!

I'm not seeing it, man. What is revealing about this? Look at how Sixty and I interpret it (and how we elaborate on what we mean) - is that not how it read to you? Why? What is he *claiming* here, that would be a reveal? That's what I'm asking. I've read the underlined several times, and I still get "I know I'm Town, but you don't". Please be more specific.



As an aside, how many of the players have to be given the Jester role to see play as bad as what the thread has seen? O.o I mean seriously, aside from the fact that some people have real hard-ons for Tatts and Blend, the standard of play in this game has been, essentially, a litany of "lynch me! Lynch me!" - that strikes me as suspicious. And if nobody else has caught onto the fact that Bubba is fucking with us somehow...lol.

[Bonecaster]

I voted for Blend and Dude, and you think it was to distance myself. If I didn't vote for them, you'd think I was trying to protect them. Nice little racket you got going there. Kinda scumy, I'd say. *wink*


But is there a rule against OMGUS? I don't remember all the rules. Am I about to be modkilled for that? Or is it just frowned upon? I'm not concerned with that, at least not in this case. I tried joking with Hinter twice. Giving him the title of Godfather (Come on, that's the name of a series of movies about the Mafia, eh?) for being a lover of good food, and logging in as me to make me look bad. (Did anybody think he really did, or think I really thought he did?) But he doesn't like my sense of humor. And now he's making a false claim against me no reason other than I was joking with someone else? If trying to get rid of him by lynch for all that is OMGUS, then I'm ok with that.

[Bonecaster]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

I didn't reveal. The reason Hinter voted for me is because he thinks there is a connection between Blend and me. That is wrong. Blend was Scum. He admitted it by saying he thinks all players are Scum.

Which is a scummy tactic - muddying the waters just before your demise to protect you scummy friends, in this case. you and a.n.other whom I haven't found yet.

The reason I think you are connected with Blend was posted earlier.

Wait. I can't keep track. So now you *don't* think I revealed?? Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 23 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Your theory is entirely wrong. As will be proven when the game is over. That's the problem with Mafia. It's all absurd paranoia. Nobody in a Town can be friends with each other. (At the time of those early posts, I hadn't the slightest idea Blend was Scum. Not until he posted that he thought there were 3 teams of 4 Scum.) Any and every word that is not an attempt to rat out Scum is assumed to be an attempt to hide Scum. Ridiculous. WIFOM should be *A* tool of the game; it shouldn't be the game's entirety.

But now that you're going the paranoia route, and for a reason that I know (and you will learn) is most definitely wrong, turnabout is fair play. So for what it's worth,

vote Hinter

BOOM! Hinter hits scum!

I'm not seeing it, man. What is revealing about this? Look at how Sixty and I interpret it (and how we elaborate on what we mean) - is that not how it read to you? Why? What is he *claiming* here, that would be a reveal? That's what I'm asking. I've read the underlined several times, and I still get "I know I'm Town, but you don't". Please be more specific.



As an aside, how many of the players have to be given the Jester role to see play as bad as what the thread has seen? O.o I mean seriously, aside from the fact that some people have real hard-ons for Tatts and Blend, the standard of play in this game has been, essentially, a litany of "lynch me! Lynch me!" - that strikes me as suspicious. And if nobody else has caught onto the fact that Bubba is fucking with us somehow...lol.

Maybe you are the "Fourth Man" because I see this as no different to the Dude's initial reveal that YOU picked up and posted heavily about. Why would you get your own symp lynched? Come on, you've been playing far longer than I have and can answer that question yourself.

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

I voted for Blend and Dude, and you think it was to distance myself. If I didn't vote for them, you'd think I was trying to protect them. Nice little racket you got going there. Kinda scumy, I'd say. *wink*


But is there a rule against OMGUS? I don't remember all the rules. Am I about to be modkilled for that? Or is it just frowned upon? I'm not concerned with that, at least not in this case. I tried joking with Hinter twice. Giving him the title of Godfather (Come on, that's the name of a series of movies about the Mafia, eh?) for being a lover of good food, and logging in as me to make me look bad. (Did anybody think he really did, or think I really thought he did?) But he doesn't like my sense of humor. And now he's making a false claim against me no reason other than I was joking with someone else? If trying to get rid of him by lynch for all that is OMGUS, then I'm ok with that.

There is no rule against OMGUS at all, it is merely a respnse from someone who has voted you, and receives a vote from you straight away. Basically I voted for you and straight away you voted for me for no other reason than the fact that I voted for you. "Oh my god you suck!"

As for the whole "logging in as you" thing, that is against board rules and far more importantly against Mafia rules, It would just not be done, even if I could log on as you. Basically it stank and I pointed it out at the time.

[Hinter]

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 03:27 AM, said:

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

I didn't reveal. The reason Hinter voted for me is because he thinks there is a connection between Blend and me. That is wrong. Blend was Scum. He admitted it by saying he thinks all players are Scum.

Which is a scummy tactic - muddying the waters just before your demise to protect you scummy friends, in this case. you and a.n.other whom I haven't found yet.

The reason I think you are connected with Blend was posted earlier.

Wait. I can't keep track. So now you *don't* think I revealed?? Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

I do think you revealed, and now you are muddying the waters again for those who skip multi quote posts and just read the last reply.

[Hinter]

I see Silencer is here, probably composing another essay designed to daze and confuse.

So I'm going to run with my fourth man theory and go for the master rather than the underling.

remove vote


vote Silencer

[Silencer]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

Silencer, on 23 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 23 January 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Your theory is entirely wrong. As will be proven when the game is over. That's the problem with Mafia. It's all absurd paranoia. Nobody in a Town can be friends with each other. (At the time of those early posts, I hadn't the slightest idea Blend was Scum. Not until he posted that he thought there were 3 teams of 4 Scum.) Any and every word that is not an attempt to rat out Scum is assumed to be an attempt to hide Scum. Ridiculous. WIFOM should be *A* tool of the game; it shouldn't be the game's entirety.

But now that you're going the paranoia route, and for a reason that I know (and you will learn) is most definitely wrong, turnabout is fair play. So for what it's worth,

vote Hinter

BOOM! Hinter hits scum!

I'm not seeing it, man. What is revealing about this? Look at how Sixty and I interpret it (and how we elaborate on what we mean) - is that not how it read to you? Why? What is he *claiming* here, that would be a reveal? That's what I'm asking. I've read the underlined several times, and I still get "I know I'm Town, but you don't". Please be more specific.



As an aside, how many of the players have to be given the Jester role to see play as bad as what the thread has seen? O.o I mean seriously, aside from the fact that some people have real hard-ons for Tatts and Blend, the standard of play in this game has been, essentially, a litany of "lynch me! Lynch me!" - that strikes me as suspicious. And if nobody else has caught onto the fact that Bubba is fucking with us somehow...lol.

Maybe you are the "Fourth Man" because I see this as no different to the Dude's initial reveal that YOU picked up and posted heavily about. Why would you get your own symp lynched? Come on, you've been playing far longer than I have and can answer that question yourself.

Yes, yes, get me to miraculously agree with you by threatening that maybe I'm his partner if I don't agree with you. Such wonderful tactics. Because you know, I'm struggling to figure out where we got definitive proof that there were four scum, anywhere in the game? I'm struggling to see how four scum would be fair, given today would have been game over if we didn't kill at least one scum by now? What exactly is your operating criteria for this assertion?

Now, back to the topic at hand - you are still not answering my question and elaborating. I have given you my reading of it (and let's face it, "I know something you don't know" is a LOT less of a 'reveal' (if it can even be called that) than "I know that X is scum. Don't ask why, I just know. You know what I'm saying?" Which is paraphrasing but close enough to what the Dude's claim was - this is far short of that and can actually be read in a way that (apparently Sixty and I both defaulted to) isn't anything like a reveal. At all. So I am asking you, in the interests of sharing information and opinions to elaborate on what you are saying and be more specific. You know. How Town is meant to play? Not being evasive and threatening and circumspect, like how someone with nothing to go on might actually be posting? (Ooh, look at THAT zinger. Did you feel the burn where I subtly implied you might be scum for not playing the way I think Town should? )

I know exactly why you'd get your own symp lynched - not that you'd necessarily *know* they were your symp, but whatever - especially if you had FOUR members of team Scum to spare. That's not what I'm asking. Stop evading. Speak plainly. Share with the rest of the class.




...and seriously, no comment on my comment about the way everyone has been playing? *sigh*

[Silencer]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

I see Silencer is here, probably composing another essay designed to daze and confuse.

So I'm going to run with my fourth man theory and go for the master rather than the underling.

remove vote


vote Silencer

OK, wait, wait. So not only did I get Dude lynched, sit back and watch Blend get lynched (who was apparently a member of my team) and am now protecting (another member of my team) from getting lynched - not only all this, but *I* am the master? What sort of scum setup are you fucking imagining?!?! Four members of team scum, who apparently all know each other and who we've correctly identified with no CF and no reveals over the space of three nights? I don't know where you learned to play mafia, but my lord things have changed if it was here.

To me, this is seriously fishy play. Not fishy as in "I'm scum and am lashing out blindly and saying stupid stuff to muddy the waters" (one way to read it, granted), but more like "I actually WANT you people to lynch me so I'll say stupid things and attack people at random". Which is just feeding my paranoia. Le sigh.

Clearly we also need to have a look at who was on the chopping block before Hinter started his rampage, 'cuz if he's not suicidal he's deflecting from SOMEONE with this stuff...

[Bonecaster]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

As for the whole "logging in as you" thing, that is against board rules and far more importantly against Mafia rules, It would just not be done, even if I could log on as you. Basically it stank and I pointed it out at the time.

Which was why it shouldn't have been taken as anything but a joke for a second. As though anyone would do it. As though anyone would have believed it. As though if anyone logged in as me I'd be able to figure out who it was. Come on. "He's been logging in as me and posting!" Maybe not the funniest thing ever, but surely nothing anyone took seriously.


And yeah, I think I lost track of what you're accusing me of. I was too anxious to use the "Truly you have a dizzying intellect" line. Looked the fool doing it. LOL


Goodnight, all. Be back in several hours.

[Hinter]

Fuck it - been trying to add a reply for half an hour but apparently my end quotes don't match my start quotes or something.

Why teams of four? look at the signup thread. Bubba wanted 12 or 16 people. Not 12 plus. Not 11. 12 or 16 people. This means teams of four. At least one team of four will be scum and in a game with no CF that is not weighted in their favour as you suggested.

As for the Dudes reveal, when he first vaguely revealed it was no worse than Boner's. It was only later when Bubba spanked him for actually using the term in his post, and he didn't die through modkill, that the rest of us found it fishy and lynched him. Hey, you have still got a team of three left.

You had no choice but to "sit back and watch Blend get lynched" your words, because any other play on your part would lead to the connection with you. In fact you actually posted that you were abstaining due to RL, giving you the perfect excuse not to be on Blend's train.

Now that I have "fingered" Bonehunter, you are suddenly very active again because you see another member of your team potentially going down, and now I'm apparently going crazy trying to attract attention to myself, i.e, lets move the focus from Boney to Hinter.

[Silencer]

Hinter, on 23 January 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

Fuck it - been trying to add a reply for half an hour but apparently my end quotes don't match my start quotes or something.

Why teams of four? look at the signup thread. Bubba wanted 12 or 16 people. Not 12 plus. Not 11. 12 or 16 people. This means teams of four. At least one team of four will be scum and in a game with no CF that is not weighted in their favour as you suggested.

And teams of four is suddenly Gospel truth? You don't think there might have been a *bit* more resistance to some of the lynches if people were in teams of four? If one team is scum, what are the other teams? Remember - no non-standard roles.

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As for the Dudes reveal, when he first vaguely revealed it was no worse than Boner's. It was only later when Bubba spanked him for actually using the term in his post, and he didn't die through modkill, that the rest of us found it fishy and lynched him. Hey, you have still got a team of three left.

No, it was a fuckton worse. Blissy actually asked him if he was saying what she thought he was saying before I got on and pointed it out for everyone (who were apparently blind as fuck, because it was BLATANT). Not to mention, you still haven't actually said word for word what you think Bonecaster's reveal IS. I don't know if you're confusing the term "slip" with the term "reveal" or what, but it seems the blinkers have shifted from the rest of the thread to Sixty and I (bearing in mind I'm not the ONLY one who can't see what the hell you're going on about here), but seriously, if I'm asking you to spell it out for me, why is that so hard? I spelled out Dude's reveal for everyone else, after all.

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You had no choice but to "sit back and watch Blend get lynched" your words, because any other play on your part would lead to the connection with you. In fact you actually posted that you were abstaining due to RL, giving you the perfect excuse not to be on Blend's train.

There was a time when it was the height of rudeness to accuse someone of lying about RL reasons for being absent. It was similarly frowned upon greatly to actually lie about RL reasons. Why? Because in the event someone does actually have RL reasons it's not fair to them to be unable to play without having a legitimate excuse - and therefore claiming to have RL reasons when you don't is meta-lying, which is not the same thing as playing the game lying. I come from that time. If you are seriously accusing me of lying about RL, I will request a modkill. It is THAT big of a thing for me.

As for anything else to do with Blend, I'm at a loss. You're saying that I'm connected, by virtue of not being connected. That's counter-intuitive and gives rise to a tautology. That's just silly.

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Now that I have "fingered" Bonehunter, you are suddenly very active again because you see another member of your team potentially going down, and now I'm apparently going crazy trying to attract attention to myself, i.e, lets move the focus from Boney to Hinter.

Funny how I came back from my RL stuff around when I said I would, no? I actually ended up free a bit earlier than expected, but still. So your argument here is that after a (predicted) period of absence, I return? Yeah. Convincing. Again, this seems like "You're scum because you don't agree with me" - the exact thinking that makes everyone too afraid to stand up for someone if the case against them is bad. And I'm not even doing that, I'm just asking for some damn clarification on the actual case!
And if you would be so kind, can you explain who exactly was in my team, again? And why I, as the apparent Master, would be defending an underling (presumably a symp or equivalent?), when traditional setups imply I don't know even know who my underling would be and/or in your crazy setup I'd still be "more important" and therefore would NOT be highlighting myself to save someone of lesser value? Ugh.

Please, educate me.

[Silencer]

Anyway, with that, I'm going out for dinner with the folks. (Gasp, terribly convenient RL excuse!) Be back in a couple of hours.

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 23 January 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

There was a time when it was the height of rudeness to accuse someone of lying about RL reasons for being absent. It was similarly frowned upon greatly to actually lie about RL reasons. Why? Because in the event someone does actually have RL reasons it's not fair to them to be unable to play without having a legitimate excuse - and therefore claiming to have RL reasons when you don't is meta-lying, which is not the same thing as playing the game lying. I come from that time. If you are seriously accusing me of lying about RL, I will request a modkill. It is THAT big of a thing for me.

As for anything else to do with Blend, I'm at a loss. You're saying that I'm connected, by virtue of not being connected. That's counter-intuitive and gives rise to a tautology. That's just silly.

East tiger. Show me a post anywhere on this board where I have called someone a liar and I will never darken it's doors again.

[Sixty]

Hinter, I'm just confused because you suggested that Bonecaster made a soft reveal about his role that makes you think he's scum. But as far as I can tell his OMGUS vote was just because you voted him. So what is it? Because I'm finding Silencer much more convincing than you right now--it seems like you're making a big deal out of very little from Bonecaster (aside from your initial case).

[Sixty]

Doesn't seem like people are around and I'm slightly drunk so good night all.

[Tattersail_]

Read up. Very strange turn of events. Silencers posts look like desperation. He's been On all that time and didn't refer to my post once. Hinter thinks he found a reveal were he cannot ask questions on, lady bliss is drunk and I missed it, damn we could have gotten frisky