[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 06 December 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Heh.
Azath revealed finder and named me inno.
If we believe Azath, then why did he survive the night? Scum are confident that we'll give them a day by wondering what to do about the reveal?
We don't believe Azath then do we lynch him? Lynch his reveal, moi?
Or do we lynch Tatts for the picture in the sand?
Reading back, this sorta jumps out a bit:

Khellendros, on 04 December 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

Bubba, on 04 December 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Shin hasn't posted yet...what's up with that...does he know he's in this game?

Translation: "Fuck, where's my partner killer?! He'd better not get himself mod-killed!"

Personally I think we'll waste the day and the lynch.
For the moment,
Vote Bubba
Because a Bubba, Shin, Tatts trio looks possible.

Posted the last one to show some of your suspicions. This one to show connections. You and Bubba could have been linked but I hold the vig in your favour.

[Tattersail_]

This post AFTER the second picture of me. He even guesses at it.

Bubba, on 06 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. He's not a home owner?

I think the scum want us to dis-trust and lynch Gnaw or Az, (BOTH OF WHOM WOUND UP INNOCENT)


That's the only reason I can see one of them not getting NKed last night. (SCUM WIFOM)

I would like some answers from Az, like, did you find any scum last night?


And to answer Gnaw. I was looking at the post count and noticed he hadn't posted. So piss off.

If you want people to look at a quoted post....how about this one of yours

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Now, back to killing people.

You think he had this ability when he hasn't understood it all game.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Back to game - weird choice for a kill. I wolkd almost say inexperienced killer, except that I don't think there are any inexperienced players here.

Course, Azath could have been lying. But I'm still surprised neither he nor Gnaw on the other hand were killed.

I'm gonna throw it out there and say that Azath may have actually been a killer, using a finder reveal to throw us off his scent. It's a 13 person game, so I can totally see it being just 2 killers, 1 symp, and no roled towns.

That being said, Gust is kind of a weird choice. Though he WAS the one who was putting pressure on Azath, it would be kind of clumsy to go after someone so obvious, don't you think? Then again, I suspect Tats of being a killer, and the person voting him on Day 1 (KL) was killed during night 1. Could Azath and Tats be paired killers perhaps?

I think Bubba warrants some pressure, he's been quiet all game. That being said, I don't think I've ever played a game with Bubba, so I'm not sure if that's his M.O. or not.

This post by Blend accuses me of being a killer. Lots of people around so this could have went either way, with an Azath or a me lynch.

Can you not see that Bubba is a lying fuck head?

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

You know, I can really understand the "azath and gnaw survived the night so one or both have to be scum" argument. Hell it's easy enough that I said one of us would get lynched today.

Buuuuuuuttttt.... Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

The other finder revealing stuff is complete speculation. It was just an idea of a possible ability of a role that could exist. So in no way am I sure or close to sure I'm right, just putting an idea out there.
Th pics could j

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

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Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

That is just one of a few things that may be pointing to him being scum. 1, Un-verified reveal as a finder to avoid being lynched. 2, Not night killed, nor was the alleged inno he did a find on. 3, The find he did after revealing conveniently gets NKed. Then add in the pic BS that is showing up in day scenes.

The only real tie in I see on you is being the target of the reveal, that part is weak I admit.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

This could be true also.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

Heh. I think it's the mod fucking with us. "low TMDI, way less than last game" when last game was ToD which on the 1-10 scale is ~18. "The scenes do not point to anything or anybody, they're just there for flavor" but "they could contain clues".

I'm going to bed. Want to see what the non US time zones have to say on this.


Things to think on:

Tatts might be getting the bum rush here. Except that he rang symp bells in numerous people on day 1. And just about everyone's "I think these 3 are the scum" list has Tatts on it. But he's not had more than 3 votes any day iirc.

HO went from L-1 to completely off of everyone's discussion list.

Shin rang bells with a few folks, at least one of whom is now dead. Of course the same can be said of me. Difference being I know I'm innocent but he knows he's not. (Just thought I'd get that in there before he does.)

Khell is being awfully helpful.

Starling is the low poster but not by much.

Blend is blending in.

I have zero read on Bubba even though he was on my fav 3 list.

Azath damn near got kicked to the curb, but got a reprieve because of the finder. The person who was lynched instead of him CFed innocent. And the person pushing his lynch got NK'd.

I had the no explanation drive by vote for HO on day 1, claimed I was going to go the low poster route this game, and Azath "cleared" me. And I made a summary list of things for people to think about.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

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Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

Well Shin, I have been gone from Mafia so long that most of the players in this game are unknown to me. I thought I had a read on Venge playing nice, ended up with a Inno lynch. So I have been trying to watch for just mistakes or good evidence before posting.

I didn't think we had scum yesterday so I didn't vote. I went on "Gut" before, didn't work out for Venge. Blend? as with the rest ..... No idea what to look for as far as their playing style.....so no clue.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

To clarify this:

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My GUESS is, if he IS a symp or killer, he wouldn't finger another killer given the risk involved. I'm not PIing Gnaw, but I'm less inclined to think he's scum.

He could very well finger someone else as innocent (if he's scum, he DOES know who is innocent and who is not) and he could finger scum equally for WIFOM purposes. But my feeling is the first person he fingers is less likely to be scum.

Now that I think of it, since if he were scum and can finger anyone he wants because he knows who is inno and who is not, I'm more inclined to believe he is a legit finder. Easier to say "Shinrei is inno" as symp/killer because I know I'm inno, and would believe him even more.

The flip side to that is he could be the symp. He could have done it hoping to be killed. That would PI a killer. Not sure in this game , but most games the killer/s don't know who their symp is.

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

So at first I thought the picture was just flavor. Then it re appears the next day. If it appears again then I think it has to be a game mechanic. Path - Shaper cannot point unnecessary fingers cause that is just cruel!

Yes I was first to vote Venge, then had a spamful day one. Day two I think I started the EM train so maybe that is why my pictures are appearing. Maybe if I follow a train today then someone elses picture will appear?

Lizrad, on 04 December 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Exhausted from your earlier deed of lynching someone nice, you had a night full of nightmares. Some of these nightmares have a face.

Frequently you awake with screams. One scream from this corner, another scream from that. No one notices that one person isn't awaking from nightmares until the next morning, but by then it is already to late.

King Lear is dead. She was Innocent.



It is Day 2. 36 hours remaining
11 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, EmperorMagus, Gnaw, Gust Hubb, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, EmperorMagus, Gnaw, Gust Hubb, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

Lizrad, on 06 December 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Exhausted you go to bed. You don't feel to sure about killing EM, now that it is none, but you fall into a deep dreamless sleep anyways. The first thing you notice the next morning is that Gust Hubb is missing. You find his body near the beach. Hanging from a tree on a rope around his neck. Next to him you find a picture in the sand.


Gust Hubb is dead. He was Innocent.



It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining
9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

[Shinrei]

What I think is this. Bubba or you are scum, clearly because his reveal is either true or a scum trick.

Let me repeat that for HO

HO THIS IS FOR YOU!!!

Either Tatts or Bubba is scum for sure.
That reveal cannot mean anything else.

If Tatts is scum, that means Azath was indeed the symp, so therefore the symp is already dead.

If Bubba is scum, that means that the symp could be alive or dead.

So I think the only logical thing is to lynch Bubba to check his CF, since leaving him and potential symp is more dangerous. We then lynch Tatts if we have to.

Personally I think this is checkmate, scum loses.


Thats what I think. Assault my logic if it is not sound, but I think it is.

[Tattersail_]

Read those posts Shin. Not only is Bubba suspicious but I think everyone's reply is similar.

Unless of course you think that Blend, Azath, Gnaw and I are all killers slash symps?

It doesn't fucking work out.

No one has protected me all game, I have not left a stone unturned. There is just no way you should think of me as a killer none. I want Blend dead, I wanted Bubba dead. I've been on every lynch train. I've been around when it matters and I have posted on a weekend when scum would have just let it go.

From my point of view when I know Bubba is lying what would you do Shin?

Personally I am thinking we get one of the unknowns out of the way. Starling or HO, they aren't contributing and either could be a low lying killer with Bubba as their symp.

Now I also ask you, if you knew Bubba was lying, would you think him a symp or a killer?

In fact if we lynch Bubba who, in my mind, must be a symp then D day can come and go and we know we have killed the symp. We hold off on lynching on the potential D day so there are 3 players left. Then they work out who the killer is. This may be our best shot. Hopefully they leave me alive as a scum doubt. I grill the last two players and make a decision then.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 11 December 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

What I think is this. Bubba or you are scum, clearly because his reveal is either true or a scum trick.

Let me repeat that for HO

HO THIS IS FOR YOU!!!

Either Tatts or Bubba is scum for sure.
That reveal cannot mean anything else.

If Tatts is scum, that means Azath was indeed the symp, so therefore the symp is already dead.

If Bubba is scum, that means that the symp could be alive or dead.

So I think the only logical thing is to lynch Bubba to check his CF, since leaving him and potential symp is more dangerous. We then lynch Tatts if we have to.

Personally I think this is checkmate, scum loses.


Thats what I think. Assault my logic if it is not sound, but I think it is.

This is my original thought but what if say Bubba is symp and Starling/HO or Khell is the killer.

We lynch bubba, he CF's innocent, we lynch me because of his fake reveal. 2 deaths what would that leave?

[Tattersail_]

What you say makes some sense. Scum team have a chance at winning here. I agree with Bubba then me but I wish I didn't have to.

[Shinrei]

Tattersail, on 11 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 11 December 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

What I think is this. Bubba or you are scum, clearly because his reveal is either true or a scum trick.

Let me repeat that for HO

HO THIS IS FOR YOU!!!

Either Tatts or Bubba is scum for sure.
That reveal cannot mean anything else.

If Tatts is scum, that means Azath was indeed the symp, so therefore the symp is already dead.

If Bubba is scum, that means that the symp could be alive or dead.

So I think the only logical thing is to lynch Bubba to check his CF, since leaving him and potential symp is more dangerous. We then lynch Tatts if we have to.

Personally I think this is checkmate, scum loses.


Thats what I think. Assault my logic if it is not sound, but I think it is.

This is my original thought but what if say Bubba is symp and Starling/HO or Khell is the killer.

We lynch bubba, he CF's innocent, we lynch me because of his fake reveal. 2 deaths what would that leave?

Yeah, thats the one hole in the logic, if bubba is scum but the symp and not killer.

[Shinrei]

Can you connect blend with khell or starping, oh quoteーfu master?

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 11 December 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

Can you connect blend with khell or starping, oh quoteーfu master?

I am pissed at his fake reveal.

I will have a look throughout the morning, i'm busy for the next hour though I think. Maybe not but I got some stuff to do..

[Khellendros]

Tats, that was a huge panic-vomit of posts. I think we have to go through with Bubba's lynch. Then we see after.

[Khellendros]

Bubba, on 11 December 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Well that is game if you guys play it right.

First off let me say DO vote me off today. It is the only way you will see I'm telling the truth.

First off, I am the real finder. I have been getting a find in every other night. The Pics have been me.

I tried to show you all that Tatts was one of the killers, but their symp jumped to the rescue with his counter reveal.

So I played it safe, waiting for the other killer to make an appearance. Great job shin.

Now that all are revealed. I have no problem giving up this info.

Great game everyone.

If Azath's w as a fake reveal, he 'jumped to the rescue' of no one but himself. Why didn't you put more pressure on Tats?

I'm not saying the pics can't be yours, but they could be a scum ability.

On the other hand, Tattersail dismissing them as flavour is odd, and I pointed this out before. Likewise, now that I think on it, Tats always accused Blend of being a symp, something which I accused Gust of doing to Blend, and therefore painting Blend as not a priority target.

[Khellendros]

Tats' pic was posted twice, and a facepalm thing. Bubba, would you not have done three finds? Who were the others?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 11 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Tats, that was a huge panic-vomit of posts. I think we have to go through with Bubba's lynch. Then we see after.

Every day it's been the same. No change there Khell.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 11 December 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 11 December 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Well that is game if you guys play it right.

First off let me say DO vote me off today. It is the only way you will see I'm telling the truth.

First off, I am the real finder. I have been getting a find in every other night. The Pics have been me.

I tried to show you all that Tatts was one of the killers, but their symp jumped to the rescue with his counter reveal.

So I played it safe, waiting for the other killer to make an appearance. Great job shin.

Now that all are revealed. I have no problem giving up this info.

Great game everyone.

If Azath's w as a fake reveal, he 'jumped to the rescue' of no one but himself. Why didn't you put more pressure on Tats?

I'm not saying the pics can't be yours, but they could be a scum ability.

On the other hand, Tattersail dismissing them as flavour is odd, and I pointed this out before. Likewise, now that I think on it, Tats always accused Blend of being a symp, something which I accused Gust of doing to Blend, and therefore painting Blend as not a priority target.

look at what Gnaw and Azath said upthread. They believed it to be flavor also. What relevance does Picard have to do with anything? Yet they did also say it could be a scum ability and Bubba did not debase them of this notion.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 11 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tats' pic was posted twice, and a facepalm thing. Bubba, would you not have done three finds? Who were the others?

Good question.

[Tattersail_]

Starling, on 04 December 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 04 December 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Upon reading, my top picks (ho aside) are venge and bubba who are fake attacking each other for shits and giggles.

I got a similar vibe from the Em and Tatts spat earlier in the day.

Tatts, earlier you said you were pretty convinced that Em was scummy. What has made you change your mind?

Nothing much here but Starling does choose your post abouyt Venge and Bubba to highlight both me and EM.

I don't get a symp vibe from Starling. She may have picked something up on Bubba being her symp but I am doubtful so far.

[Tattersail_]

Starling, on 04 December 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

I'm not particularly convinced by either case.

Tatts has been talking all game about switching to Venge, but it is interesting that he refrained from switching until Shin came on, even though there were two votes on Venge already.

I need to get some sleep. It's 4am.

So I'm having trouble with Tatts. His content is problematic. He's fingered several people as scummy but is voting for neither of them. So I distrust this sudden swing away from one train. For that reason, I'm voting HO.

Vote HiddenOne.

Has problems with me but votes HO. Same a different day, has problems with me but votes Azath I think. Constantly picking away at me but voting elsewhere.