[Gnaw]

Hmm.
No lynch? I'd rather not see that. Just gives town one less vote tomorrow with nothing to show for today.
Got up to pee, but I think I'll stay awake bit and see what all of you furryners have to say.
Veng had a point with the "don't forget to look at my train" comment.
GH, EM, and Blend all give me vibes.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Alright, upon closer inspection, I can say that I'm a little more suspicious of Starling. Day 1, he didn't really participate much - a post asking Tats why he moved away from supicions of EM, then voting for HO cause he was suspicious of the train redirect. I personally thought the case on HO was crap, yesterday, so I wasn't terribly surprised when the train redirected. Venge was certainly acting a bunch more scummy, even if he did CF as inno.

The thing that bothers me, though, is his behaviour for this day. He basically spent the entire day trying to paint Tats as a symp. He votes Shin, accusing him of having redirected the train, when there was like a triple cross post (which, admittedly, I was a part of) that all moved the train from HO to Venge, and pushing the idea that Tats is Shin's symp. When Shin rebuffs the accusations, he backs off from the Shin attack, but maintains his suspicions of Tats being a symp. I think that Starling is, in fact, the symp, and that he's trying to paint Tats as a symp so that we'll disregard Tats as a possible killer, or that we'll let him slide thinking that he's a symp, so there's no point in voting him off.

I know this jives with my earlier statement about Tats not being dumb enough to kill someone as obviously linked to him as KL was, but, I dunno, Starling's behaviour just rubs me the wrong way. For now, I will

vote Tattersail

As I think he's probably being protected by Starling.

I would still be willing to move my vote to Azath, but I think this is at least as solid a case, so I thought I'd put it out there.

This has just hurt my head and my eyes and all my mafia beliefs. What is this? You sir are very very paranoid or something. Did you read my big long post? Or ignore it because of the many words in it? I thought that Starling was one of the few people whom was trying a little too hard to paint me as scum. She at first calls me a symp and then re iterates that point today.

Quote

So, you're suggesting I vote for the person I think is a symp?

Based on Tatts' play, I think he's a symp. The trick then is to figure out who he's symping. From the way he changed when Shin came on, I think he's symping Shin. Which would make Shin a killer, therefore I voted for him.

This is her statement. Way to shift focus off of the killer if she was the symp don't you think?

I hate people looking for the symp when there are two killers out there. Tatts is a symp because he voted different people and had a lot of posts. How does that even compute. Aren't symp's meant to go unnoticed, change the thread subtely?

Killers also have to avoid the wary eyes of the thread. Fucking get your head in the game. I didn't spend all yesterday morning creating that post for people to not even comment on it.

[Shinrei]

I will read up and post and vote before deadline, but now is just to busy about the household. Food/bath for the daughter. The downed forum totally fucked up my participation because it started last night when I had the most time to read up and post. Now I've got less than 4 hours (and I'm not going to have the time to be able to read up for at least another 2). So I'm cutting it close.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

There wasn't much to go on other than your hate. What was the case?

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

Still got the blinkers on, eh Khell?

Can you really say that the case against HO was good, and sleep at night?

Yeah sure, a huge train redirection like that is usually suspicious, but when a case is shit, and it's Day 1 and someone like Venge pulls the scummy shit he did, my suspicions get a little assuaged.

I should read on before posting but I agree with Blend's post here.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

You're right, Khell, a large part of the case against Azath was Gust pointing out that I must be yours and his symp, but just cause part of his argument is wrong, doesn't discount the whole case. This paragraph below is what struck me...

Gust Hubb, on 04 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

And now looking back, you have to start wondering about Azath and Khells. Azath is lurking, and generally I find him helpful and nice, but he seems to be more nervous and hidden this game. Khells is subdued, depressed even, and while that may be just life for him at the moment, I'm wondering if he is tamping down his passion to keep from his usual flirting with a lynch (much like our scummy Tats and EM are currently doing).

I'm willing to let you slide for now Khell, you haven't struck me as terribly scummy, albeit somewhat misguided. However, Azath has been pretty quiet, and he's usually a helpful player. Even when he's voting, he's not doing a whole lot.

So yes, I would be comfortable with an Azath lynch, but I still think that we would have more luck with a Tats lynch.

So it's not so much a fact of liking Gust's case, as it is having a feeling about Azath.

Which is why I would rather lynch Tats.

Now you have blinkers on.

Thing is when I have an innocent CF you're going to paint me as a symp which is just a crock of shit.

[Gnaw]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

There wasn't much to go on other than your hate. What was the case?

Heh. Tatts what do you think of EM?

[Khellendros]

Gust Hubb, on 06 December 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

Still got the blinkers on, eh Khell?

Can you really say that the case against HO was good, and sleep at night?

Yeah sure, a huge train redirection like that is usually suspicious, but when a case is shit, and it's Day 1 and someone like Venge pulls the scummy shit he did, my suspicions get a little assuaged.

So I've got blinkers on and yet you also admit that it could look suspicious? I see...

Venge wasn't scum, ergo he didn't pull any scummy shit - you lot were just retarded

He wasn't scum? How would you know. Inno =/= townie.

Yeah, you've totally got it Gust - Venge was a symp. Congratulations on lynching the symp the very first day, hero. Where's that rolly-eyes smiley? If Venge was a symp, I'll eat my non-existent hat. Gust, you are being obtuse, both here, and especially....

[Khellendros]

Gust Hubb, on 06 December 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

I do love seeing you and Khells turning vehemently on Azath. Pretty strong reactions for those supposedly unrelated.

...and especially here. Vehemently, is it? Yep, guess you caught me red-handed. I deigned to reply to your post. I have no big case on anyone so a vote on Azath *might* be the right one, so I don't feel bad having my vote there.

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 06 December 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I just want to quickly point out about my case:
Since most of your case rests on Blends sympage of me and Khell, and the "slip" where he says he's waiting for me and Khell to decide where to vote, it's possible that Blend is a symp, but is fake-symping Khell and I in order to bring suspicion away from their masters. Who was under pressure day 1? Venge and HO and EM and Gnaw. Venge is dead and Inno, Gnaw "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" as you said. That leaves EM and HO. They warrant a closer look if we're going to explore all avenues today, whether one, both, or neither are killers.

I must confess that those under pressure on day 1 interest me far less than those who manage to remain free of votes and accusations. What I'm interested in is seeing how Blend explains mentioning your two names in that post (an explanation I have not heard yet afaik). He could have been fake symping you two, but he voted Khells at one point which seems oddly counter to a symp trying to protect their masters. My theory is he put that in as a signal while playing the rest of his game as if you two were nothing sacred/special. It's not like he's particular defensive of you or khells, and he may just vote you off the island Azath. But as I said before, scum do what needs doing, even if it means voting off one of their own to look like town.

You are thinking Khells and Azath, I am thinking Khells and EM unless it is you and Starling

Partnerships. Khell fits 2 out of the 3 in my mind.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

There wasn't much to go on other than your hate. What was the case?

Oh please. Don't give me that. As if it was any different from any other day 1 lynching. Except, yes, it was. It didn't go through like the majority of those did.


Please let's not pretend that everybody suddenly got on their high horse, put on their serious mafia face and said, "well, let's be fair to HO, there's no real case on him, now let's stop this joking around which has got him to L-1 and focus on something serious for the last few hours of the day."

Eh, whatever. I love how everyone's got a boner for someone, and yet I'm the only one who's being told they are being narrow-sighted

Screw it, I said at the beginning of the game that I didn't want to be leading, so I'll follow whatever route you all want to go down.

[Tattersail_]

Has dropped off the radar today. Completely.

Vote EM

My thoughts on him were said up thread, and in my notes of day one. I think the way he played day one gave me scummy feeling. I think his disappearance today is telling and people like Khell have been doing their best to focus attention elsewhere.

I could vote for Khell and Azath today also.

My thoughts on you Gnaw is that you are playing the way you are playing on purpose to see what we would do. I think you are an experimenting townie.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

I would go for Blend and Gust, actually.

What is this based on?

Ah, someone finally asked!


A few things: First, they're posting both quantitatively and qualitatively like I would normally associate with scum - gently prodding and leading, and could be argued to be selecting targets who either they think might be popular choices (Blend with you), or they believe will put up less of a fight (Gust with Azath).

There's also what might be distancing in the form of Gust's case which paints Blend as a symp - which also immediately puts Blend in that "let's only look to lynch here if other things entirely dry up category".

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

There wasn't much to go on other than your hate. What was the case?

Oh please. Don't give me that. As if it was any different from any other day 1 lynching. Except, yes, it was. It didn't go through like the majority of those did.


Please let's not pretend that everybody suddenly got on their high horse, put on their serious mafia face and said, "well, let's be fair to HO, there's no real case on him, now let's stop this joking around which has got him to L-1 and focus on something serious for the last few hours of the day."

Eh, whatever. I love how everyone's got a boner for someone, and yet I'm the only one who's being told they are being narrow-sighted

Screw it, I said at the beginning of the game that I didn't want to be leading, so I'll follow whatever route you all want to go down.

Even if it was you? I think voting HO was the easy choice for the wrong reasons. Venge's post "I am not town" could have been a huge slip. His other posts towards the end did him no favors.

If HO turns out to be a killer this game then I blame you for us not lynching him.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Has dropped off the radar today. Completely.

Vote EM

My thoughts on him were said up thread, and in my notes of day one. I think the way he played day one gave me scummy feeling. I think his disappearance today is telling and people like Khell have been doing their best to focus attention elsewhere.

I could vote for Khell and Azath today also.

My thoughts on you Gnaw is that you are playing the way you are playing on purpose to see what we would do. I think you are an experimenting townie.

So why am I scummy? Please don't post your list again. I'll be happy to vote for EM - but why aren't you voting for me, if I fit into both of your suspect categories?

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

There wasn't much to go on other than your hate. What was the case?

Oh please. Don't give me that. As if it was any different from any other day 1 lynching. Except, yes, it was. It didn't go through like the majority of those did.


Please let's not pretend that everybody suddenly got on their high horse, put on their serious mafia face and said, "well, let's be fair to HO, there's no real case on him, now let's stop this joking around which has got him to L-1 and focus on something serious for the last few hours of the day."

Eh, whatever. I love how everyone's got a boner for someone, and yet I'm the only one who's being told they are being narrow-sighted

Screw it, I said at the beginning of the game that I didn't want to be leading, so I'll follow whatever route you all want to go down.

Even if it was you? I think voting HO was the easy choice for the wrong reasons. Venge's post "I am not town" could have been a huge slip. His other posts towards the end did him no favors.

If HO turns out to be a killer this game then I blame you for us not lynching him.

I may be trying to be a follower, but I'm not going to be brain-dead. If you decided to lynch me, so be it, but you can bet that I will defend myself to the end - and then eviscerate you all in SH should I fail to dissaude you.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Has dropped off the radar today. Completely.

Vote EM

My thoughts on him were said up thread, and in my notes of day one. I think the way he played day one gave me scummy feeling. I think his disappearance today is telling and people like Khell have been doing their best to focus attention elsewhere.

I could vote for Khell and Azath today also.

My thoughts on you Gnaw is that you are playing the way you are playing on purpose to see what we would do. I think you are an experimenting townie.

So why am I scummy? Please don't post your list again. I'll be happy to vote for EM - but why aren't you voting for me, if I fit into both of your suspect categories?

because I always think you are scummy yet you are a slippery bastard and damn near unlynchable

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

I would go for Blend and Gust, actually.

What is this based on?

Ah, someone finally asked!


A few things: First, they're posting both quantitatively and qualitatively like I would normally associate with scum - gently prodding and leading, and could be argued to be selecting targets who either they think might be popular choices (Blend with you), or they believe will put up less of a fight (Gust with Azath).

There's also what might be distancing in the form of Gust's case which paints Blend as a symp - which also immediately puts Blend in that "let's only look to lynch here if other things entirely dry up category".

This has crossed my mind. They are both acting like perfect town, their posts are well written and they are both pointing fingers. I said earlier that I don't suspect either of them and this should ring alarm bells.

How long do we have until timeout?

Also Khell what time is it where you are at?

[Tattersail_]

I don't think you've ever posted at this time before. Maybe i'm mistaken, but it is either dedication to the game of mafia or scum wanting to be active around lynch time.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I don't think you've ever posted at this time before. Maybe i'm mistaken, but it is either dedication to the game of mafia or scum wanting to be active around lynch time.

It is currently 9.22 in the AM here. And no, I don't usually post in the mornings because of getting ready for work/going to work, but I don't have anything till the evening today.

So expect me to not be posting at my usual evening hours today