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Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

That's L-1 on Venge. I will...

remove vote

just cause I'd like Khell and Azath to weigh in on a Ve[/b]ngy lynch. Will put my vote back on before time out if necessary.

This looks to be either symping Khell or waiting to discuss provisionals. I am thinking the former.

[HiddenOne]

I'm back, it's Monday, blech

so you guys worked through the weekend break, huh? a lynch, a NK, and a vig? lucky hit for the vig, not so lucky on losing 2 town

back in a bit

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 04 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

So far, I've got Tats doing a brilliant impression of a pointy-fingers symp, a bit like me in the previous altless game.

I've got Shin's sudden removal of his vote from HO - it's almost like he came on, joke-voted his partner, then realised "oh shit, he's actually got loads of votes on him!" and removed.

Gust isn't trying particularly hard, which I'm not sure which way it's making me feel as of yet.

Azath drive-by vote on Venge, and Blend's 'casual' suggestion of someone hammering Venge also stick in my craw.

No reads yet on KL or Starling.

This post by Khell mentions a few people including Blend. Nothing much to go on but combined with a few other things it is giving me a better impression of Khell.





Side note if we had lynched Bubba and Shin vigged Blend then it was possible for this game to finish over the weekend.


Different side note was that Venge was cursing his lynch possibly indicating that scum was on his train, taking a new light Venge could have been the symp.

In fact if Venge was the symp then his joke vote on Bubba could have been a signal.

[Tattersail_]

I could keep reading through but I have convinced myself that it is not Khell and that it is Bubba.

Venge as the symp died day one.

Bubba, Bubba, Bubba.


Okay let me read Venge's posts again.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 04 December 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 04 December 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I'm going to lunch

I think Venge is our best bet for today and I don't want to wait and get a time out. Do you guys want me to hammer?

I am the best choice for a lynch of a town player. Not anywhere close to the best choice as a potential scum player though. I am being lynched because I have been too friendly. Which is almost as retarded of a reason as being too smooth. Seriously I would have though better of it but then I realize that mafia players for the most part are the result of women who where alcoholics while pregnant. So you shouldn't expect them to not be retarded every single time that they play.

He will CF town but his other post "i am not town" might have been a big slip.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 04 December 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

I am town. Scum is on my train. Take a long hard look at everyone one on my train. Starting with my list. REMEMBER to look at the fucking train retards. Don't go into day 2 and start all over like you morons usually do. Look at my train.

Pissed off because his fellow scum mates are lynching him?

[Tattersail_]

Bubba, on 05 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I'm sorry Venge. I thought you we playing way to nice.

I have three of the clues from the expanded morning scene figured out.

But I cant for the life of me figure out what the drawing of Tatts by the well is supposed to mean. Anybody?

Bubba's first post after GH's case. He doesn't mention Blend at all.

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Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

Alright so I don't hate the case against Azath so I will be willing to put my votw there, but I can't say that I love it either.

I think that Tats pointing out that the KL nk was meant to make him look bad when no one else even hinted at that is a little suspect, like maybe he is trying to turn us away from that before someone else picks up on it. But I can totally see that as scum trying to point us at him, specially given that KL's vote was on him at the end of the day, if I am not mistaken. Seems like the kind of mistake Tats wouldn't make.

Gust and HO's recent back and forth kind of struck me as a little like distancing. Like, HO says something a little innocuous about Gust and Gust calls him out on it. Am interested to see where that goes.

I also feel like Starling hasn't really been involved in anything much at all, I think maybe he is trying to lie low. Gonna go read up a bit more to see what contributions he has actually made, if I don't find anything interesting I think I will probably vote that way.

No mention of Bubba at all. Bubba didn't respond to the case on Azath or Blend at all. Not yet anyway. As Khell mentions the case involved Blend being part of team scum. He also casts some suspicion towards Starling here which is a point in her favour.

[Shinrei]

Any idea how hard it was not to vig HO... I decided to try and use it for the team rather than a grudge. Now if you guy s had just followed my lynch train on blend rather than leave it up to me alone

My guess is bubba, but i havent entirely absolved tatts of symp consideration, incoming rep notwithstanding.

Khell and starling to consider as well. HO? I hope not...

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Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Alright, upon closer inspection, I can say that I'm a little more suspicious of Starling. Day 1, he didn't really participate much - a post asking Tats why he moved away from supicions of EM, then voting for HO cause he was suspicious of the train redirect. I personally thought the case on HO was crap, yesterday, so I wasn't terribly surprised when the train redirected. Venge was certainly acting a bunch more scummy, even if he did CF as inno.

The thing that bothers me, though, is his behaviour for this day. He basically spent the entire day trying to paint Tats as a symp. He votes Shin, accusing him of having redirected the train, when there was like a triple cross post (which, admittedly, I was a part of) that all moved the train from HO to Venge, and pushing the idea that Tats is Shin's symp. When Shin rebuffs the accusations, he backs off from the Shin attack, but maintains his suspicions of Tats being a symp. I think that Starling is, in fact, the symp, and that he's trying to paint Tats as a symp so that we'll disregard Tats as a possible killer, or that we'll let him slide thinking that he's a symp, so there's no point in voting him off.

I know this jives with my earlier statement about Tats not being dumb enough to kill someone as obviously linked to him as KL was, but, I dunno, Starling's behaviour just rubs me the wrong way. For now, I will

vote Tattersail

As I think he's probably being protected by Starling.

I would still be willing to move my vote to Azath, but I think this is at least as solid a case, so I thought I'd put it out there.

Here he is more suspicious of Starling and mentions Shin. No mention of Bubba yet again.

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Starling, on 06 December 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Alright, upon closer inspection, I can say that I'm a little more suspicious of Starling. Day 1, he didn't really participate much - a post asking Tats why he moved away from supicions of EM, then voting for HO cause he was suspicious of the train redirect. I personally thought the case on HO was crap, yesterday, so I wasn't terribly surprised when the train redirected. Venge was certainly acting a bunch more scummy, even if he did CF as inno.

The thing that bothers me, though, is his behaviour for this day. He basically spent the entire day trying to paint Tats as a symp. He votes Shin, accusing him of having redirected the train, when there was like a triple cross post (which, admittedly, I was a part of) that all moved the train from HO to Venge, and pushing the idea that Tats is Shin's symp. When Shin rebuffs the accusations, he backs off from the Shin attack, but maintains his suspicions of Tats being a symp. I think that Starling is, in fact, the symp, and that he's trying to paint Tats as a symp so that we'll disregard Tats as a possible killer, or that we'll let him slide thinking that he's a symp, so there's no point in voting him off.

I know this jives with my earlier statement about Tats not being dumb enough to kill someone as obviously linked to him as KL was, but, I dunno, Starling's behaviour just rubs me the wrong way. For now, I will

vote Tattersail

As I think he's probably being protected by Starling.

I would still be willing to move my vote to Azath, but I think this is at least as solid a case, so I thought I'd put it out there.

I have a couple of things to say about this.

Tatt's behaviour struck me as much more sympish than that of a killer, I feel he is putting himself out there too much, particularly with the amount he was changing his voting, and the way he switched with only 5 hours to go, from someone who was at L-1 to someone who had only a few votes. I never accused Shin of redirecting the lynch, but I did find it odd that as soon as he came on Tatts changed his vote. My vote for Shin was mostly fishing for a reaction, and as Shin's response made sense I removed my vote. I'll vote for Tatts if necessary, but I think it is a waste.

I'd also like to ask you what you found so absolutey scummy about Venge's play, since the whole case against him was that he was "playing too nice". I think there were a bunch of people playing scummier, in particular Gnaw, that no one has so much as blinked at, so I'm a little confused as to how you came to that conclusion.

This is another point for Starling, arguing with your partner on thread is not usually done. Not when Blend was pointing fingers.

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Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I just want to quickly point out about my case:
Since most of your case rests on Blends sympage of me and Khell, and the "slip" where he says he's waiting for me and Khell to decide where to vote, it's possible that Blend is a symp, but is fake-symping Khell and I in order to bring suspicion away from their masters. Who was under pressure day 1? Venge and HO and EM and Gnaw. Venge is dead and Inno, Gnaw "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" as you said. That leaves EM and HO. They warrant a closer look if we're going to explore all avenues today, whether one, both, or neither are killers.

See he was fake symping. HO is incriminated a little here by Azath so I'm not ruling him out.

Up to now it is Bubba and HO looking the possible partner.

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Bubba, on 06 December 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Good to see the forum is back up.

Having caught up, I'm not seeing anything jump out at me. HO seams to be off the hook from yesterdays train. I cant really say if this is good or bad, I'm not really getting a read on him, or anyone else at this point. I was instrumental in getting a townie lynched yesterday so I'm going to hold off on placing any vote.

This is Bubba's first post since the one above, some time has gone by. He still hasn't mentioned anything about GH's case. Or commented on what Blend and others have had to say.

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Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 06 December 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Am I really the only one who genuinely finds the switch from HO a little fishy? He was at L-1.

Still got the blinkers on, eh Khell?

Can you really say that the case against HO was good, and sleep at night?

Yeah sure, a huge train redirection like that is usually suspicious, but when a case is shit, and it's Day 1 and someone like Venge pulls the scummy shit he did, my suspicions get a little assuaged.

So I've got blinkers on and yet you also admit that it could look suspicious? I see...

Venge wasn't scum, ergo he didn't pull any scummy shit - you lot were just retarded

He wasn't scum? How would you know. Inno =/= townie.

Yeah, you've totally got it Gust - Venge was a symp. Congratulations on lynching the symp the very first day, hero. Where's that rolly-eyes smiley? If Venge was a symp, I'll eat my non-existent hat. Gust, you are being obtuse, both here, and especially....

I think you could do just that Khell!!!!

[Shinrei]

Tattersail, on 10 December 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Starling, on 06 December 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Alright, upon closer inspection, I can say that I'm a little more suspicious of Starling. Day 1, he didn't really participate much - a post asking Tats why he moved away from supicions of EM, then voting for HO cause he was suspicious of the train redirect. I personally thought the case on HO was crap, yesterday, so I wasn't terribly surprised when the train redirected. Venge was certainly acting a bunch more scummy, even if he did CF as inno.

The thing that bothers me, though, is his behaviour for this day. He basically spent the entire day trying to paint Tats as a symp. He votes Shin, accusing him of having redirected the train, when there was like a triple cross post (which, admittedly, I was a part of) that all moved the train from HO to Venge, and pushing the idea that Tats is Shin's symp. When Shin rebuffs the accusations, he backs off from the Shin attack, but maintains his suspicions of Tats being a symp. I think that Starling is, in fact, the symp, and that he's trying to paint Tats as a symp so that we'll disregard Tats as a possible killer, or that we'll let him slide thinking that he's a symp, so there's no point in voting him off.

I know this jives with my earlier statement about Tats not being dumb enough to kill someone as obviously linked to him as KL was, but, I dunno, Starling's behaviour just rubs me the wrong way. For now, I will

vote Tattersail

As I think he's probably being protected by Starling.

I would still be willing to move my vote to Azath, but I think this is at least as solid a case, so I thought I'd put it out there.

I have a couple of things to say about this.

Tatt's behaviour struck me as much more sympish than that of a killer, I feel he is putting himself out there too much, particularly with the amount he was changing his voting, and the way he switched with only 5 hours to go, from someone who was at L-1 to someone who had only a few votes. I never accused Shin of redirecting the lynch, but I did find it odd that as soon as he came on Tatts changed his vote. My vote for Shin was mostly fishing for a reaction, and as Shin's response made sense I removed my vote. I'll vote for Tatts if necessary, but I think it is a waste.

I'd also like to ask you what you found so absolutey scummy about Venge's play, since the whole case against him was that he was "playing too nice". I think there were a bunch of people playing scummier, in particular Gnaw, that no one has so much as blinked at, so I'm a little confused as to how you came to that conclusion.

This is another point for Starling, arguing with your partner on thread is not usually done. Not when Blend was pointing fingers.

Not necessarily. With off thread coms killers sometimes organize onthread fake spats.

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Starling, on 06 December 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

This is going nowhere

Vote EmperorMagus

Bubba nor Blend posted between Azath's reveal and the lynch. Not that I saw anyway. We had to wait on a night scene if you remember and I think that is because the killers didn't have a provisional or were able to confirm their action.

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Lizrad, on 06 December 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Starling hammered in time


It is Day 2. 4 minutes since time out
11 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, EmperorMagus, Gnaw, Gust Hubb, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for EmperorMagus ( Tattersail, Gnaw, Azathmaster, Gust Hubb, Khellendros, Starling )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Blend )
1 Vote for Azathmaster ( EmperorMagus )

Players not voted: Bubba, Hiddenone, Shinrei

Here we go, neither of them voted either. Bubba and HO stayed off the train. Blend was pushing my lynch.

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HiddenOne, on 06 December 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

well, I guess I don't have to make a decision on this after all

I guess I will believe Azath after all, but the timing is very questionable - I have to admit I would do the same thing

We know HO was around, yet a decision may have needed to be backed up by Blend so it doesn't rule HO out.

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Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

*whistles impatiently*

Over an hour after lynch took place, Blend shows us that he is around...

[Tattersail_]

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Blend is a killer!

BOOM