[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Back to game - weird choice for a kill. I wolkd almost say inexperienced killer, except that I don't think there are any inexperienced players here.

Course, Azath could have been lying. But I'm still surprised neither he nor Gnaw on the other hand were killed.

I'm gonna throw it out there and say that Azath may have actually been a killer, using a finder reveal to throw us off his scent. It's a 13 person game, so I can totally see it being just 2 killers, 1 symp, and no roled towns.

That being said, Gust is kind of a weird choice. Though he WAS the one who was putting pressure on Azath, it would be kind of clumsy to go after someone so obvious, don't you think? Then again, I suspect Tats of being a killer, and the person voting him on Day 1 (KL) was killed during night 1. Could Azath and Tats be paired killers perhaps?

I think Bubba warrants some pressure, he's been quiet all game. That being said, I don't think I've ever played a game with Bubba, so I'm not sure if that's his M.O. or not.

No one but me created this pressure. Blend mentions him in passing.

[Shinrei]

I liked bubba for a lynch, but my problem tatts is this; you didnt take my blend case seriously, choosing bubba instead (who you are chasing now,too.) Youve worked really hard to PI starling, which makes me suspicious.

I will say this, if you are not a symp, bubba is best bet for scum imo. If you are a symp, then its pretty open between khell and starling. Im dismissing HO once again, may it not bite me in th e ass.

[Tattersail_]

Bubba, on 06 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. He's not a home owner?

I think the scum want us to dis-trust and lynch Gnaw or Az, That's the only reason I can see one of them not getting NKed last night.

I would like some answers from Az, like, did you find any scum last night?


And to answer Gnaw. I was looking at the post count and noticed he hadn't posted. So piss off.

If you want people to look at a quoted post....how about this one of yours

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Now, back to killing people.

One of Bubba's posts post resolution which we had to wait on. He speculates about what scum might or might not wanbt us to do. This post in itself is scummy. Then he proceeds to push an Azath lynch.

[Shinrei]

Tattersail, on 10 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Blend is a killer!

BOOM

lol. I used that quote earlier to suggest signaling.

[Shinrei]

You are like a freight train when you get going tatts.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 06 December 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Bubba, on 06 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I think the scum want us to dis-trust and lynch Gnaw or Az, That's the only reason I can see one of them not getting NKed last night.

There is possibly a different explanation. After Azath posted his reveal, the only people who were posting before Starling's hammer were:

HO
Khell
Tatts
Starling
and me.

With instantaneous nights, we could have caught the killer pair making them unable to change their kill order in time.

That leaves:

Blend, Bubba, Gnaw

as possible killers if that were the case.

Hey out of the three I felt Bubba had more chance of coming up scum than Blend did because Blend actually played like a symp.

If Blend came up innocent then we may have left Bubba alone.

I did mention I was good for either of them to be lynched. Look at the post that said Bubba is a killer/symp, Blend is a killer/symp leaving a third killer/symp out there.

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Shinrei, on 10 December 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

You are like a freight train when you get going tatts.

Sorry I have free time and try and get it done. The more I look into this the more I am convincing myself.

Shin remember we were wondering about the weekend freeze and Brujah let slip that this could be over within the weekend? We had 2 votes Bubba 2 votes Azath? You vigging Blend meant that scum team would be eradicated. That is all I can think of, no way of we lynched a town and a town got killed we would still out number them.

That is not what I am basing my case on as you can see but it is in the back of my mind.

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Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

Bubba could be a symp waiting on what their masters are going to do but I highly doubt it. He actually goes against what he said earlier about the killers wanting to distrust Gnaw and Azath.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

You know, I can really understand the "azath and gnaw survived the night so one or both have to be scum" argument. Hell it's easy enough that I said one of us would get lynched today.

Buuuuuuuttttt.... Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

Gnaw's reaction is solid. Now both Gnaw and Azath are dead. 2 out of the 3 Bubba mentioned as possible killers.

[Tattersail_]

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

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Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

That is just one of a few things that may be pointing to him being scum. 1, Un-verified reveal as a finder to avoid being lynched. 2, Not night killed, nor was the alleged inno he did a find on. 3, The find he did after revealing conveniently gets NKed. Then add in the pic BS that is showing up in day scenes.

The only real tie in I see on you is being the target of the reveal, that part is weak I admit.

Now looking at the picture after night 3 are you going to still put stock into them?

You pushed the lynch on Azath yesterday. For me it is out of you and Khell as Blend's partner but the posts previous point towards you rather than Khell.

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Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

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See Shin. I love this

[Tattersail_]

Bubba has nothing to say on Blend or Blend's play so far. Shin prod's him and his answer is coy.

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Hell, I'm liking the idea that a killer wasn't on to change or confirm the kill more and more, which is why Azath is alive.

Between Blend and Bubba, despite the fact I still don't like how Bubba is posting, I think Blend is the more likely of the two for one reason.

Mafia veterans tend to set it up with PS that "Whatever my partner decides at the end, I will auto-confirm it". When I've been part of a killer pair with someone like JA or Bent, this is what we did. Bubba has been playing forever, so would probably do this - especially since he's been pretty lazy this game anyways. Blend and another less experienced partner may not have done that.

Vote Blend

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

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Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

Well Shin, I have been gone from Mafia so long that most of the players in this game are unknown to me. I thought I had a read on Venge playing nice, ended up with a Inno lynch. So I have been trying to watch for just mistakes or good evidence before posting.

I didn't think we had scum yesterday so I didn't vote. I went on "Gut" before, didn't work out for Venge. Blend? as with the rest ..... No idea what to look for as far as their playing style.....so no clue.

Who cares about playstyle when you have pages and pages to read up on.

[Shinrei]

Well, my prov was vig blend if anyone else was lynched, but vig bubba if blend was lynched. That could have prompted brujahs comment.

[Shinrei]

Tattersail, on 10 December 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

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See Shin. I love this

Well, I was really wondering about them at this point. Bubba did a great job of ignoring this.

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Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Bullshit. I am voting for Azath because I DON'T think he is a finder. The only person i will swap my vote to Tatt's. His play over the last 24hs has been pushing to say the least. I was willing to with pics being some sort of scum tactic, but now i'm not so sure

Why not Venge. Even if my case did not involve Bubba you cannot discount the possibility of Blend being scum. His unwillingness to vote for Blend is telling in my opinion.

Not editing just adding that was meant to say Blend instead of Venge

This post has been edited by Tattersail: 10 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

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Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 09 December 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

I disagree with Tats if he means that the killers killed gust so it would seem like I was trying to not have to clear someone who could still contribute. However, If tats means that the killers killed gusty because he was the leader of the case on me and wanted to frame me, I agree. Attacking Tats for this shows that you didn't read carefully or deliberately interperetated the statement that way so you could shift attention off of you, and more onto tats.
Too much evidence, IMO.

Vote Bubba

Bullshit. I made my case on you and I stand by it. There is just to much for it to coincidence. And I didn't miss interpret anything.

If you hadn't have killed Blend last night Shin then I think they would have went for me today. Azath thinks Bubba is the killer too.

[Tattersail_]

Everything so far points to Bubba being Blends partner. Let's get this game over and done with...

Vote Bubba

[Shinrei]

The timing worked well, it eliminates some doubts at least.

[Khellendros]

HiddenOne, on 10 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

I'm back, it's Monday, blech

so you guys worked through the weekend break, huh? a lynch, a NK, and a vig? lucky hit for the vig, not so lucky on losing 2 town

back in a bit

A lucky hit for the vig?


Shin will be so happy to read that from you.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 10 December 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

The timing worked well, it eliminates some doubts at least.

Personally i'm 100% sure on you.

What are your thoughts for today then? Is there much doubt against Bubba?

I ask because day one Blend did a great job of fake symping Khell.