[bubba]

Posting from my phone...sorry

[Khellendros]

Brujah, on 07 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

It looks possible to finish the game over the weekend

Erm, this doesn't sound very good for team inno to me!

[Khellendros]

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Back to a dead thread..

Oh seriously Azath, could you not have at least posted some kind of reply/opinion/reaction to the posts that came up since you last posted before this. It doesn't have to be anything addressed specifically to you, but I would love to see something more than a post like this - something that we can gauge you on, something that we can follow as the track of your thoughts....otherwise, it's like you don't want us to, hmm?

[Khellendros]

I currently think that one of Azath or Tats is part of team scum, though not both.

I think Azath's death is pretty inevitable. If he doesn't die the next night, and doesn't find scum, then surely we have to lynch him - even if we're being set up, we just can't take that risk. In any case, playing a set up is a dangerous game for scum - what if he does find one of them in the meantime?

The more I think about it, the more I think Azath should have died in the last night if he really was a finder.

The only explanation which makes a tiny bit of sense is Shinrei's - that the killers just weren't around to change their provisional...but I don't know, it's still weak.

[Gnaw]

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Bubba and Blend sticking it to Azath has me shaking my head. Yes, Azath could be faking it, but Day 3 isn't the time to push his lynch AND HOW FUCKING COINCIDENTAL that the two people who weren't here between his reveal and the lynch are now trying to lynch him. I was giving Bubba benefit of the doubt, but now I'm fine with voting either Bubba or Blend.

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm starting to get a gut feeling that the ones we need to worry about are the ones who have tried to control the thread for the last few hours. Notice that, after all the bickering, deduction, induction, and long, long posts, they split their votes and we're no closer to a lynch now than we were 16 hours ago.

I agree this is possible, but then you finger me. It was me who came on first and made a case that (I feel) is logical. Gnaw, do you have anything in particular against what I've based my vote on?

Sorry, I'm doing a shitty job of multi-tasking here.

My gut on you was based (iirc) on the day 1 vote swing from HO to Veng. That train build quickly and strangely.

However, at this PARTICULAR moment, I'm not focusing on mafia. Spoiler the excuses:

Spoiler

I waited until the last day to compare medicare part d plans and medicare.gov is refusing to admit that

• I exist
• that 1 of my medications exist.

My friends and family network of "the computer broke call me" has slammed me with 3 different systems, one 'small business critical', i.e needs a replacement tomorrow at the latests. So I have to load windows on this macbook tonight.

And the German government abdicated leaving me to in precarious position.

Germany is put off until fall. The other problems are fixable.

But I have to fix this argument with medicare right now.

Then I'll come back to mafia. An hour or so max. I hope.

Notice that I have not put a vote down. Just a confused RI trying to figure out who are the bad guys.

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 07 December 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

I currently think that one of Azath or Tats is part of team scum, though not both.

I think Azath's death is pretty inevitable. If he doesn't die the next night, and doesn't find scum, then surely we have to lynch him - even if we're being set up, we just can't take that risk. In any case, playing a set up is a dangerous game for scum - what if he does find one of them in the meantime?

The more I think about it, the more I think Azath should have died in the last night if he really was a finder.

The only explanation which makes a tiny bit of sense is Shinrei's - that the killers just weren't around to change their provisional...but I don't know, it's still weak.

Yeah, I sorta agree here. Except that, as Hinter put it against me a couple of games back, you are playing the "helpful townie" just a bit too well.

But, fuck me running, he turned out to be the killer. So, yeah, I'm conflicted and confused. Leaving mafia for an hour or so. But I'll be back.

[Gnaw]

In the mean time, where the fuck are HO and Starling? Taking the low poster thing a bit far aren't they?

[Shinrei]

Are we even going to get a lynch at this point?

I have to leave soon, going into the city for (bleah) Christmas shopping. I'll drop a vote then.

[Khellendros]

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Are we even going to get a lynch at this point?

I have to leave soon, going into the city for (bleah) Christmas shopping. I'll drop a vote then.

I CALL FOR AN IMMEDIATE WEEKEND BREAK TO START NOW SIXTY/BRU/LIZ! It's midnight where I am (i.e. the weekend), so that's my reasoning for it beginning it already.

Freeze the timer.





And that will give us more time to think this over - and get Azath, HO, Starling to post a bit more perhaps.

[Starling]

I know excuses are not particularly useful, but I'm having trouble following the game at work because for some reason the servers that block offensive content have taken exception to this thread, and work is my main posting time.

I've caught up, and while I have the time at home I'm going to do a good re-read. I'll be back in an hour or so with my thoughts.

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 08 December 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

I CALL FOR AN IMMEDIATE WEEKEND BREAK TO START NOW SIXTY/BRU/LIZ! It's midnight where I am (i.e. the weekend), so that's my reasoning for it beginning it already.

Freeze the timer.

agree

[Shinrei]

I agree too, but I'm going to

Vote Bubba

just in case Brujah doesn't. If people like him more than Blend, I'm not adverse. We need a lynch for sure.

[Lizradusa]

Since I don't know what Sixty has planned I'll just freeze the clock now.


It is Day 3. The clock has been frozen with 04 Hours and 12 Minutes remaining.
9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Azathmaster ( Blend, Bubba )
1 Vote for Bubba ( Tattersail )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Khellendros )

Players not voted: Azathmaster, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Shinrei, Starling

[Lizradusa]

It is Day 3. The clock has been frozen with 04 Hours and 12 Minutes remaining.
9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Azathmaster ( Blend, Bubba )
2 Votes for Bubba ( Tattersail, Shinrei )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Khellendros )

Players not voted: Azathmaster, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Starling

[Starling]

Right, caught up and I have lots of notes, so in the interest of continuing the trend I'll put out thoughts for each player.

Starting with Tatts: his play is still bothering me. He's "convinced" me and Gnaw are inno, because of how little we've been posting. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think the amount a player posts has any relevance to what role they have. I do tend to low post, every game I'm in, and that doesn't change whether I'm town or scum. The only time I've ever tried to up my post count is when I've played faction leader, and even that tends to trickle off as the game progresses. Tatt's conviction has my skin crawling, it feels too much like fake-symping to me, and he has mentioned it a couple of times. I also think it's interesting that Venge was jumped on for mentioning that he was playing RI this game, but it went completely unnoticed when Tatts did it. His reaction to the Azath reveal is also telling, he seems to find it more credible than I would expect, particularly since Azath wasn't NKed. This could also explain why his fake symping is so blatant, as he is trying to deflect from his symping of Azath.

Azath's reveal and subsequent survival are also problematic. In particular, it was very convenient that he found GH, who was NKed. As other people have said, there were several others who were being pointed out over the course of the game, and lots of connections being speculated about. GH had no fingers pointing at him, and he appeared to have no connections to other players, so a find on him, based on meta-reasoning, is an odd choice. In addition, beyond the first glance his find on Gnaw seems odd as well. Sure, at the beginning of the day Gnaw seemed like a good choice for a find, for that wonky vote he put down and his defence of it. But by the end of the day, with the vote swing, there were several people I would have chosen for a find over Gnaw; Tatts, HO and Shin at the top of the list, and we know Azath was around at the end because he hammered.

Shin has built a few cases, responded constructively to my poking and generally been fairly helpful. His play has put him out there more than I would expect of scum, so for now he is lower on my list of scum suspects. His thoughts on why Azath wasn't NKed are plausible.

Bubba has been playing mostly under the radar. He has been connected at various times with Shin, Venge, EM, Tatts, Khell and Blend. His comment that Tatts was trying to get him lynched is a somewhat valid point, and I like his case on Azath.

I don't have much to say about Khell. Defends himself when connected to anyone else, but has no interest in building cases on anyone.

Blend has been connected by GH to Azath and Khell, and by Shin to Tatts. He emphasises how scummy he found Venge; "Venge pulls the scummy shit he did", "Venge was certainly acting a bunch more scummy", although he can only find one quote to back up his claims, and the majority of the lynch was based around Venge playing "too nice". It feels like scum trying to justify his vote. He accuses me of symping Tatts, for my case on him earlier, which would be a seriously stupid move for me, if I was a symp. He spends a lot of time attempting to devalue Tatts' case against him, and trying to direct attention elsewhere.

I also have very little on Gnaw. His tactic of low-posting is rather irritating, but his having come out and announced that it was his tactic seems to lend credence to the idea that he is RI experimenting, I also agree with his statement that now could be a good time for scum to take the lead, much in the way that GH is so good at doing.

I have no notes at all on HO. Nothing.

[Brujah]

Ok, like Liz said, we're not sure if Sixty had any specific time for starting the weekend freeze, but I'm sure he would be fine with going ahead with the freeze when Liz did. Before I even got to the post where Liz issued the freeze, I saw the post with 3 requests for it, and was about to do it, hoping Sixty would have been ok with it.

I agree with Liz's choice based on what I was reading from you guys. So, to state the obvious, you guys will have a little over 4 hours to wrap up Day 3 once game restarts on Monday. We'll wait for Sixty to make the call as far as restart time. But I do remember reading something where he said he'd be really busy starting Friday, and thru the weekend. So just in case he don't make it back online until Sunday, I suggest a restart time of 9am, est, on Monday. That way people will know when to expect the game to restart, because 4 hours is sort of a small window to make it online for, especially if starting time is decided on last minute.

So tentative restart time is 9am, est on Monday(random time) in case Sixty gets tied up all weekend, and doesn't get back until Sunday. But keep checking in case he does get on, and needs the restart time to change to something more specific to fit his schedule. I just chose 9 based on average starting times I can remember.

As usual, posting still allowed, but I'm not sure on whether votes can still be made. Another call I'll feel better letting Sixty or Liz make. Can't remember how often we were able to lay votes on the weekend freeze or not. I'm thinking votes can still be made. Just no resolution until Monday. And this should give everyone a chance to to be heard from.

I'd just like to say helping with modding this game has been more fun than even playing in some of the games I've joined. I almost can't wait to see what you guys decide to do. We should rotate in altless games a bit more often. You guys are tripping me out.

[Starling]

So, to conclude:

I feel that Tatts and Azath are connected. Tatts downplaying the possibility that Azath has fake-revealed is most telling to me. Azath's behaviour since the reveal has been entirely too convenient, and I am suspicious that he is still alive.

In addition, I'm getting a scummy feeling from Blend, although I'm not seeing a connection with either Tatts or Azath. I'd be prepared to vote for any one of these three.

And now, I have to get ready for work. Hopefully I'll be able to post from work, depends how busy we are and how much of the thread I can access. Since it's a weekend break now I'm not expecting a lot of participation, but it would be nice to use this time to discuss what we are going to do.

[Lizradusa]

Brujah, on 08 December 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

I'm thinking votes can still be made. Just no resolution until Monday.

This.

[Tattersail_]

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

[Shinrei]

Agreed, except for the Shin other killer bit.