[bubba]

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

[Gnaw]

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

I tend strongly to agree with this, The fact that Tatts and Shin want you gone bubba would indicate a connection there. I think we really need a killer lynch though.

However, for the next couple hours I'm going to see if our tax collector, er accountant has anything to say:

Vote HO

[Azathmaster]

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

I disagree with Tats if he means that the killers killed gust so it would seem like I was trying to not have to clear someone who could still contribute. However, If tats means that the killers killed gusty because he was the leader of the case on me and wanted to frame me, I agree. Attacking Tats for this shows that you didn't read carefully or deliberately interperetated the statement that way so you could shift attention off of you, and more onto tats.
Too much evidence, IMO.

Vote Bubba

[bubba]

Azathmaster, on 09 December 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

I disagree with Tats if he means that the killers killed gust so it would seem like I was trying to not have to clear someone who could still contribute. However, If tats means that the killers killed gusty because he was the leader of the case on me and wanted to frame me, I agree. Attacking Tats for this shows that you didn't read carefully or deliberately interperetated the statement that way so you could shift attention off of you, and more onto tats.
Too much evidence, IMO.

Vote Bubba

Bullshit. I made my case on you and I stand by it. There is just to much for it to coincidence. And I didn't miss interpret anything.

[Shinrei]

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

Yeah, you didn't read that correctly at all, Bubba.

Deliberate? Or just as lazy as the rest of your play this game...

[bubba]

Shinrei, on 09 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

Yeah, you didn't read that correctly at all, Bubba.

Deliberate? Or just as lazy as the rest of your play this game...

How is it read wrong? Enlighten me.......and Fuck you about being lazy.

[Tattersail_]

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

You want mw to expand on that comment but ignore the rest of my post?

Gust made a case against azath and round up dead, this points us towards Azath. How do you not comprehend that?

[Tattersail_]

Sorry just read other replies. Bubba I make a long post in reply to what starling said and the thing you do is pick up on one sentence just like you did with Gnaw a few posts back. Is this your town play style I think not. The more.gov post the more you scream scum

[bubba]

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

You want mw to expand on that comment but ignore the rest of my post?

Gust made a case against azath and round up dead, this points us towards Azath. How do you not comprehend that?

How do you comprehend A finder looking for townies? I don't think that has ever happened in any game I have ever played/modded/or read. It is the worst excuse I have ever heard...well maybe not the worst, but it's up there. There were a lot of people on that train(and if you notice not ME. I didn't think he was scum at that point), I can see the killers picking GH for being on that train, but I can not see Azath picking GH for a find, on the basis of being town. Now you are all calling me "lazy and Disinterested" I am doing neither. I am ONLY acting when I see scummy behavior. I'm not voting on a whim. and I am sure as hell not trying to run the game. I made my case, I let everyone comment, read all those comments, then I acted on them. How the fuck is this called scummy behavior is beyond me.

[Khellendros]

Another reason why - if we assume Azath is a real finder - scum might not have targetted him, is because they may have suspected there would have been a possibility of him being healed. If that had happened, and we wound up with no kill that night, that would have increased Azath's credibility.


Sorry, I know you've been talking about other things the last few posts, but this is related and I thought worth pointing out.

[bubba]

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Sorry just read other replies. Bubba I make a long post in reply to what starling said and the thing you do is pick up on one sentence just like you did with Gnaw a few posts back. Is this your town play style I think not. The more.gov post the more you scream scum

No I am picking up on you trying to railroad me. And in my eyes protect scum. That is why I jumped on that comment. You are dead set on making sure Azath doesn't get lyched "un-till tomorrow" Why? We need to hit scum today to at least get their numbers down. And I see you delaying that. on purpose?

[bubba]

Khellendros, on 09 December 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Another reason why - if we assume Azath is a real finder - scum might not have targetted him, is because they may have suspected there would have been a possibility of him being healed. If that had happened, and we wound up with no kill that night, that would have increased Azath's credibility.


Sorry, I know you've been talking about other things the last few posts, but this is related and I thought worth pointing out.

A valid point. A very good one at that.

[Lizradusa]

9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hiddenone ( Gnaw )
3 Votes for Bubba ( Tattersail, Shinrei, Azathmaster )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Khellendros )
2 Votes for Azathmaster ( Blend, Bubba )

Players not voted: Hiddenone, Starling

[Gnaw]

Upon some reading to try and figure out how HO went from L-1 to a Veng lynch, I ran across this,
Post 447

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I just want to quickly point out about my case:
Since most of your case rests on Blends sympage of me and Khell, and the "slip" where he says he's waiting for me and Khell to decide where to vote, it's possible that Blend is a symp, but is fake-symping Khell and I in order to bring suspicion away from their masters. Who was under pressure day 1? Venge and HO and EM and Gnaw. Venge is dead and Inno, Gnaw "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" as you said. That leaves EM and HO. They warrant a closer look if we're going to explore all avenues today, whether one, both, or neither are killers.

• Who are you speaking to Azath? You don't quote anyone and the closest I can come to is GH some 40 posts prior. But the "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" is a quote from Blend 2 posts prior.
• I've not played a finder role, so can't be certain. But am I the only one who thinks that the dismissing of me there is just a bit too subtle?

Then there is the reveal (post 505):

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Just woke up. And I'm about to be lynched.
Vote EM

In case tge gotes swing.

I'm the finder. I may have unconciously been playing quieter because i had a role. And just to help a little, Gnaw is inno,( from night 1 find)

Azath actually only had 3 votes on him. Admittedly Khell and Shin said they'd be willing to vote for him which would be L-1.

I know that trying to parse NKs is considered wifom, but there is no doubt in my mind had GH survived to Day 3 he'd have went after Azath like a crazed horse smelling water.

Remove Vote

Vote Azath

[Khellendros]

3 votes on Azath and Bubba. Some nice drawing of lines in the sand here - I just hope at least one of them is scum

I currently think (and my thinking has changed on this) that either both or neither are scum. If Azath is lynched and comes back inno, then Tats is probably inno (assuming that Azath was not a symp and was therefore a real finder, then I would also assume that the picture thing is a trick, as I don't see there being two finder-type abilities). Dangerous assumption that Azath is not a symp, though.

If Azath is lynched and comes back scum, then Tats is probably scum too (because of his unwilingness to lynch Azath and because if Azath being a finder is a lie, then the picture thing is more likely to be telling the truth - if I've interpreted it correctly).


Of course Blend/Bubba could be scum. But I'm trying to do this logically. And logically speaking, we currently have two leads - Azath's reveal; and the pictures of Tattersail. If we have leads, then we should follow them to their conclusion, rather than embarking in a totally different direction.

My first preference is to lynch Tattersail (and thereby sidestep the risk of lynching a real finder for at least another day). My second and only other preference is to lynch Azath.


HO/Starling - what do you plan to do?



Edit: Took out Gnaw's name which had been with HO/Starling, as he's voted for Azath.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 09 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

[Khellendros]

HO/Azath/Tattersail - that would be a sweet scum team


On the other hand, my patented scum-o-meter (different from the spam-o-meter), which is correct 30-60% of the time (i.e. sometimes) says that Gnaw and Blend should be scum.






Edit: patended is not a word. Patented is.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 10 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

[Khellendros]

Come to think of it, Tattersail's been hounding me all game about being on HO's back, as well as insisting repeatedly that no scum would play that way again for a while (see his comments re Starling - they work just as well for HO, who has settled back into 'classic' HO).

[Gnaw]

Oops

Remove Vote

Vote Azath

[Azathmaster]

Gnaw, on 09 December 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

Upon some reading to try and figure out how HO went from L-1 to a Veng lynch, I ran across this,
Post 447

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I just want to quickly point out about my case:
Since most of your case rests on Blends sympage of me and Khell, and the "slip" where he says he's waiting for me and Khell to decide where to vote, it's possible that Blend is a symp, but is fake-symping Khell and I in order to bring suspicion away from their masters. Who was under pressure day 1? Venge and HO and EM and Gnaw. Venge is dead and Inno, Gnaw "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" as you said. That leaves EM and HO. They warrant a closer look if we're going to explore all avenues today, whether one, both, or neither are killers.

• Who are you speaking to Azath? You don't quote anyone and the closest I can come to is GH some 40 posts prior. But the "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" is a quote from Blend 2 posts prior.
• I've not played a finder role, so can't be certain. But am I the only one who thinks that the dismissing of me there is just a bit too subtle?

Then there is the reveal (post 505):

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Just woke up. And I'm about to be lynched.
Vote EM

In case tge gotes swing.

I'm the finder. I may have unconciously been playing quieter because i had a role. And just to help a little, Gnaw is inno,( from night 1 find)

Azath actually only had 3 votes on him. Admittedly Khell and Shin said they'd be willing to vote for him which would be L-1.

I know that trying to parse NKs is considered wifom, but there is no doubt in my mind had GH survived to Day 3 he'd have went after Azath like a crazed horse smelling water.

Remove Vote

Vote Azath

1. I'm responding to the GH post you referenced and pieces of other posts that talked about you, HO, EM, and venge.

2. I dismissed you because A. I knew you were inno, and I had to be subtle in dismissing you because dismissing someone very vocally with conviction can point killers to finders, and B. cases based on day 1 actions dont usually have much evidence and will get shot down quickly.

I revealed with only 3 votes because revealing at L-1 will see you almost always lynched anyway, and similarly with L-2. I knew EM was suspicious to me and was the only other viable train, so I voted him.

Also, when I revealed, Gusty was the first to remove vote, and consider my reveal. iirc, he voted EM after as well. So I don't think he would have been after me "like a crazed horse smelling water."

[Starling]

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

I think by leaving Azath to live another day we are simply opening ourselves up to more WIFOM. Particularly as we are getting close to D-Day, your suggestion that we can lynch him later is starting to look fishy. There is not a lot of time left, as far as I can see. If we think Azath is a killer we need to get him tonight, rather than waiting another day and taking a gamble on someone else. If he really is the finder it's unfortunate, but as it sits at the moment there is not a lot of trust in him anyway.