[Tattersail_]

I am out of time, I have to get back to work. Yet someone could look further into what I suggest. I do think Blend is the symp.

[Tattersail_]

If not you Khell then Blend is symping Bubba and someone else. I haven't had a good look into it but I am confident about what i've said so far.

[Shinrei]

Really? Interesting idea, but here's the theory I've been stamping out:

Blend killer, Tattersail symp, other killer=_____?

The logic I put forth of a killer not being around after Azath's reveal is potentially sound. I then concluded that Blend, rather than Bubba is the most likely killer of the two (leaving out Gnaw, per Azath's reveal).

You come on, and end up going for the other (Bubba) using essentially the logic and reasoning I already put forth. AND, you tried to make it look like I also was not around between reveal and lynch. As a symp, this is really good play because if you can get the masses to vote Bubba rather than Blend then after he comes up inno that helps to throw anything about Blend into doubt as well. If you want a nice symp-signalling post, #545 caught my eye:

Tattersail, on 06 December 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Blend is a killer!

Add to that the picture of you in the scenes, with Khell's possibly correct assertion that the picture means you are not of the town, well, there it is.

edit: changed "the" to "then"

This post has been edited by Shinrei: 07 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 03 December 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

After a role like that being a towny is kind of a nice break. I just get to enjoy the show rather then lick my chops at the amount of flesh that I am going to rip off of someones back.

Comments like this are pretty scummy if you ask me. I still think Gnaw's being scummy too. He still never really explained why he dropped a vote with no explanation, and has pretty much ignored any inquiries into that vote. But comments like Venge's up above make me feel quite alright with voting him.

I was pretty disappointed to wake up this morning to see that HO was a L-1 on a completely nothing case when there is some much scummier behaviour out there. I understand the want to lynch someone on principle, specially in an altless game, but come on guys, we could at least TRY to play Mafia.

remove vote
vote Venge

Screw not trying to start a new train. Yes, it looks suspicious, but come on, I'd much rather have a lynch that made a bit of sense, rather than finding out that HO was an inno after a caseless lynch.

He has not mentioned Bubba or Khell still other than the rapport ealier

[HiddenOne]

back, trying to read up the last few pages

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I am out of time, I have to get back to work. Yet someone could look further into what I suggest. I do think Blend is the symp.

For me, it's Bubba, Blend, HO (of course), Tattersail because of the pics, and Azath as possible fake finder as the main suspects for scum.

Tattersail has certainly gone all-out since his pic has come up again - interesting that he himself hasn't tried to give an interpretation of what the drawing next to his pic could mean. Ignoring it and hoping it will go away?

However, as it could easily be a scum mechanism, I am prepared to look elsewhere right now. I'm still dubious there would be two finder and finder-like abilities in the game.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 04 December 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Yes venge, how obvious of me. And those off thread coms with tatts and blend are a great help, too. /sarcasm

Well you can take quotes out of context all the time.

That post you quoted is because resolution didn't take place immdeiately.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 07 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I am out of time, I have to get back to work. Yet someone could look further into what I suggest. I do think Blend is the symp.

For me, it's Bubba, Blend, HO (of course), Tattersail because of the pics, and Azath as possible fake finder as the main suspects for scum.

Tattersail has certainly gone all-out since his pic has come up again - interesting that he himself hasn't tried to give an interpretation of what the drawing next to his pic could mean. Ignoring it and hoping it will go away?

However, as it could easily be a scum mechanism, I am prepared to look elsewhere right now. I'm still dubious there would be two finder and finder-like abilities in the game.

Are you not reading the thread? I did this already...

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

That's L-1 on Venge. I will...

remove vote

just cause I'd like Khell and Azath to weigh in on a Ve[/b]ngy lynch. Will put my vote back on before time out if necessary.

So is he pointing to his leaders here? Or one and one? He votes for Azath does he not?

Khell I do think he is symping you and Bubba.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 07 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I am out of time, I have to get back to work. Yet someone could look further into what I suggest. I do think Blend is the symp.

For me, it's Bubba, Blend, HO (of course), Tattersail because of the pics, and Azath as possible fake finder as the main suspects for scum.

Tattersail has certainly gone all-out since his pic has come up again - interesting that he himself hasn't tried to give an interpretation of what the drawing next to his pic could mean. Ignoring it and hoping it will go away?

However, as it could easily be a scum mechanism, I am prepared to look elsewhere right now. I'm still dubious there would be two finder and finder-like abilities in the game.

Are you not reading the thread? I did this already...

No, you said that IF it comes up again, then you'll be sure it's a mechanism, and you suggested it might be because you voted first.

However, you did not say anything about the new detail on the second picture.

[Khellendros]

If Blend is symping me, then he is fake-symping me. And not very well, either, as I don't remember us having any interaction since the first day. Although, actually, if that was enough to get your attention, then perhaps it was a good fake-symping job!

[Khellendros]

I'm out for a while.

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 04 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Azath and Khells are the killers and Blend is their symp.

On my reread, I started wondering about those who were not receiving any heat yet played integral roles in the day 1 discussions. Azath and Blend were the primary ones that came to mind. Azath hasn't received any attention, which given his low posting status makes sense. But Blend, who I noted in day 1 as "nice as usual," also has not received any scrutiny despite multiple vote switches, accusatory comments, and egging on voting trains.

At first I considered Blend to be killer material. A few quotes pinged my radar. Questions, for one, always get my attention (seem helpful, but helpful to whom?)

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

I think this is the first time I have played a game with KL or Bubba, so I have no idea what to expect from either of them!! Anyone wanna fill me in?

A nice revenge vote like everyone else, though this quote makes me look harder at Khells, who is very subdued this game.

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 03 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I am torn. A vote for EM is always a good choice in my books but not letting HiddenOne off the hook this time also seems smart. Then again, Tats and Khell were quick to start the joke voting, either of them could be trying to deflect right out the gates, plus I kinda wanna lynch Khell for lynching the healer that was right about everything in the Time Travel game (aka me). On Day 1 no less. In fact, I think we should get rid of him before he uses his superpowers to get us all killed.

vote Khellendross

It's not a joke vote, the longer we leave HO alone, the more we'll forget about him. That's his deadly power!

Although I have to admit your reason for voting me makes depressing sense too...

Of course it does. My superpower is being right.

Mention of being a symp and winning. Interesting combination of pairing with claiming town while discussing sympage.

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 03 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I do not think I have played in an alt less game where town have won. This is going to be the first!

I haven't had a win since I symped in the Crusades mini. And that was my 3rd win in a row. I'm twitching for a win, so I'm with you on this one.

New direction of pointing fingers, though again using other people's thoughts as momentum (egging on).

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 03 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Gusty hasnt gotten any attention yet. He's scum

That's actually a very good point. Why has everyone been ignoring Gusty?

Cautious townie move, except for the fact that Venge was no where near L-1....

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

That's L-1 on Venge. I will...

remove vote

just cause I'd like Khell and Azath to weigh in on a Ve[/b]ngy lynch. Will put my vote back on before time out if necessary.

And then the kicker. Upon putting his vote back on Venge after realizing his mistake, he says he's waiting for Azath and Khells (didn't he vote for Khells....?) input.

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

I just realized that Tats' vote was already on Venge, then he removed, and put it back on Venge.

vote Venge

As there's still plenty of time for Azath and Khell to come back.

Seemingly innocent, unless you consider the fact that those are the only two people who he mentions as looking up to. That and the fact that voting styles don't link up Azath and Khells either. Khells has his vote sitting on HO iirc, and Azath is one of the undecided, no-vote people at that point in the game. It's not like Blend is waiting for the undecided people's input, nor is he waiting for discussion from people who are voting venge. Just Azath and Khells.

And now looking back, you have to start wondering about Azath and Khells. Azath is lurking, and generally I find him helpful and nice, but he seems to be more nervous and hidden this game. Khells is subdued, depressed even, and while that may be just life for him at the moment, I'm wondering if he is tamping down his passion to keep from his usual flirting with a lynch (much like our scummy Tats and EM are currently doing).

Vote Azathmaster

Look Gust had Blend as the symp as well. He also thought he was symping you Khell. I have just read this case again what was your defence?


Changed the name "venge to khell"

This post has been edited by Tattersail: 07 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 07 December 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 07 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 07 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I am out of time, I have to get back to work. Yet someone could look further into what I suggest. I do think Blend is the symp.

For me, it's Bubba, Blend, HO (of course), Tattersail because of the pics, and Azath as possible fake finder as the main suspects for scum.

Tattersail has certainly gone all-out since his pic has come up again - interesting that he himself hasn't tried to give an interpretation of what the drawing next to his pic could mean. Ignoring it and hoping it will go away?

However, as it could easily be a scum mechanism, I am prepared to look elsewhere right now. I'm still dubious there would be two finder and finder-like abilities in the game.

Are you not reading the thread? I did this already...

No, you said that IF it comes up again, then you'll be sure it's a mechanism, and you suggested it might be because you voted first.

However, you did not say anything about the new detail on the second picture.

I quoted them both at the same time. I don't know why my picture is there but I do think you are trying to shift attention.

[Shinrei]

So we all (include gust in "we") agree blend is bad news, but not necessarily on bubba. Even if he is only a symp lynching him buys time, while we could come up completely empty on bubba.

I think blends a full on killer though. His play , other than those possible signals, has not really been very symplike.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 04 December 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Vote Azathmaster

How does that sit with your theory, Gust?

I've read over your case twice now, and it's tenuous at best. Not to defend Blend or anything, but why would a symp TWICE mention their killers' names jointly together in posts? No half-clever symp would ever do that (and I for one regard Blend as having at least half a brain).

If those posts are put in context, then you can see that neither Azath nor I had been around for ages, hence Blend wanted to know what we thought about the developments in our absence, I presume.

Or perhaps Blend wanted exactly what you just did, Gust, i.e. Blend IS a symp, and put in a fake-symping attempt so blatant that someone would call it out as real sympage. That, on the other hand, is something a half-brained symp like Blend might do (no offense Blend!).


And I'm not depressed! I'm just having a busy week at the moment (luckily coming just after ToD, I can't imagine how I would cope if we were still playing ToD).

So this is your defence of yourself? Wifom what a symp would and wouldn't do?


I got that from my own read up. I only realised it was similar to Gust' case upon reading his case again.

That is two people reading the thread and getting a similar conclusion. Azath COULD still turn out to be a killer. If not him then Bubba fits better in my opnion anyway.

The common denominator here is you Khell and Blend.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

So we all (include gust in "we") agree blend is bad news, but not necessarily on bubba. Even if he is only a symp lynching him buys time, while we could come up completely empty on bubba.

I think blends a full on killer though. His play , other than those possible signals, has not really been very symplike.

I'm torn between the three because if one turns out to be innocent it doesn't mean the other two aren't.

[Blend]

Hey everyone, am here! I see that there's a lot of interest in me being part of the killer team. I don't really understand how anyone came to that conclusion considering you've all pretty much said that I've been playing a clean townie game. I'm gonna take some time to really reread the accusations.

That being said, I'm surprised that everyone seems to be letting Azath's reveal go. Everyone's been saying that either he or Gnaw should be dead, but they aren't, plus Azath having done a 'find' on the person who was NK'd last night is just a little too convenient for my liking.

[Blend]

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Hell, I'm liking the idea that a killer wasn't on to change or confirm the kill more and more, which is why Azath is alive.

Between Blend and Bubba, despite the fact I still don't like how Bubba is posting, I think Blend is the more likely of the two for one reason.

Mafia veterans tend to set it up with PS that "Whatever my partner decides at the end, I will auto-confirm it". When I've been part of a killer pair with someone like JA or Bent, this is what we did. Bubba has been playing forever, so would probably do this - especially since he's been pretty lazy this game anyways. Blend and another less experienced partner may not have done that.

Vote Blend

I may not be a veteran like you are thinking, but I have been playing quite long enough to know how to set up a very basic provisional. Making a whole case revolving around the idea that maybe I wasn't around to switch my vote when day timed out is ridiculous. Specially considering I was very much around when Day timed out. Pretty sure I even posted.

[Blend]

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

*whistles impatiently*

Granted this is two hours after Liz posted the timeout vote count, there still hadn't been a lynch scene. I don't know how Sixty/Bru/Liz are modding, but if it were my game, killers would have until the lynch scene was posted to change their provisionals. Considering that didn't happen until a few hours later. Well, I dunno. Either way, I'm not a killer, so it wouldn't have made a difference. No provisionals to provide when you're Inno.