[bubba]

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

[Gnaw]

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

You know, I can really understand the "azath and gnaw survived the night so one or both have to be scum" argument. Hell it's easy enough that I said one of us would get lynched today.

Buuuuuuuttttt.... Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

[Azathmaster]

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

The other finder revealing stuff is complete speculation. It was just an idea of a possible ability of a role that could exist. So in no way am I sure or close to sure I'm right, just putting an idea out there.
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[Azathmaster]

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

[bubba]

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Your reasoning for thinking Azath's find is scummy because there is "some sort of other finder"? When it was Azath who posited the 'other finder' in the first place??

That is just one of a few things that may be pointing to him being scum. 1, Un-verified reveal as a finder to avoid being lynched. 2, Not night killed, nor was the alleged inno he did a find on. 3, The find he did after revealing conveniently gets NKed. Then add in the pic BS that is showing up in day scenes.

The only real tie in I see on you is being the target of the reveal, that part is weak I admit.

[bubba]

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

This could be true also.

[Gnaw]

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

Heh. I think it's the mod fucking with us. "low TMDI, way less than last game" when last game was ToD which on the 1-10 scale is ~18. "The scenes do not point to anything or anybody, they're just there for flavor" but "they could contain clues".

I'm going to bed. Want to see what the non US time zones have to say on this.


Things to think on:

Tatts might be getting the bum rush here. Except that he rang symp bells in numerous people on day 1. And just about everyone's "I think these 3 are the scum" list has Tatts on it. But he's not had more than 3 votes any day iirc.

HO went from L-1 to completely off of everyone's discussion list.

Shin rang bells with a few folks, at least one of whom is now dead. Of course the same can be said of me. Difference being I know I'm innocent but he knows he's not. (Just thought I'd get that in there before he does.)

Khell is being awfully helpful.

Starling is the low poster but not by much.

Blend is blending in.

I have zero read on Bubba even though he was on my fav 3 list.

Azath damn near got kicked to the curb, but got a reprieve because of the finder. The person who was lynched instead of him CFed innocent. And the person pushing his lynch got NK'd.

I had the no explanation drive by vote for HO on day 1, claimed I was going to go the low poster route this game, and Azath "cleared" me. And I made a summary list of things for people to think about.

[Shinrei]

Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

I want more people to actually come out and say what they think about various other people. I'll shine the spotlight on myself by doing so with my own take on things.


Azathmaster's Gust find just seems too damn convenient. I mean, bad luck happens, but the odds were against that. What I also don't like is he gives no explanation why he chose Gusty. I would have chosen someone who wasn't online, just in case I lived until the next day because a killer wasn't around to change. Then we'd know about Bubba or Blend at least.

If he's a killer, we can expect another "oops" find tonight. If he's a finder, probably a death. If he's a symp - well that's the worst thing for town IMO. He will CF inno, and can finger anyone the fuck he wants to WIFOM us. My GUESS is, if he IS a symp or killer, he wouldn't finger another killer given the risk involved. I'm not PIing Gnaw, but I'm less inclined to think he's scum.

Bubba I like for scum, but that's just gut - he's posted too damn little in the way of content to get a read (scummy in and of itself by the by).

Blend I've gone back and forth on. He played the role of believable townie on Day 1, and I started looking elsewhere. Day 2 didn't really change anything, except for the absence at lynchtime and non-kill of Azath putting him back in my sights.

Tatts - I don't know. I find his long post rehashes to be incredibly irritating because it's all cherry picked out of context summary bullshit that is too long and involved to really help anyone out (except for himself, maybe). He's the type of player who likes to experiment though, and could be doing what he's doing on purpose to prove some theory of mafianess. Scum or town though? I have no clue.

Khell - Usually plays balls out and shoots his own team in the foot. This time, he is only sticking to HO and seems to content to follow the crowd otherwise. Is that him playing scum, or shooting his team in teh foot for fear of shooting his team in the foot?

HiddenONe - playing the same game he always plays apparently. Annoying because like the last game I played with him, who the fuck knows what that means? And why Azath wouldn't do a find on him or Khell from the start makes me wonder about that Azath reveal, too.

Starling - Haven't played with him/her much, so don't have any meta to go on. Has seemed helpful when around, and has pushed at a couple of people, including me, and has seemed to contribute despite limited posting.

My picks for killers would be Bubba with Blend or Azath. HO and Starling as possibles as well, but I am less suspicious of them somehow. Symp could be Tatts or Azath. Khell...damned if I know. Gnaw is nowhere close to PI, but I push him a little higher than all the rest of you (which isn't saying much at all).

[Shinrei]

To clarify this:

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My GUESS is, if he IS a symp or killer, he wouldn't finger another killer given the risk involved. I'm not PIing Gnaw, but I'm less inclined to think he's scum.

He could very well finger someone else as innocent (if he's scum, he DOES know who is innocent and who is not) and he could finger scum equally for WIFOM purposes. But my feeling is the first person he fingers is less likely to be scum.

Now that I think of it, since if he were scum and can finger anyone he wants because he knows who is inno and who is not, I'm more inclined to believe he is a legit finder. Easier to say "Shinrei is inno" as symp/killer because I know I'm inno, and would believe him even more.

[Shinrei]

Hell, I'm liking the idea that a killer wasn't on to change or confirm the kill more and more, which is why Azath is alive.

Between Blend and Bubba, despite the fact I still don't like how Bubba is posting, I think Blend is the more likely of the two for one reason.

Mafia veterans tend to set it up with PS that "Whatever my partner decides at the end, I will auto-confirm it". When I've been part of a killer pair with someone like JA or Bent, this is what we did. Bubba has been playing forever, so would probably do this - especially since he's been pretty lazy this game anyways. Blend and another less experienced partner may not have done that.

Vote Blend

[bubba]

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Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

Well Shin, I have been gone from Mafia so long that most of the players in this game are unknown to me. I thought I had a read on Venge playing nice, ended up with a Inno lynch. So I have been trying to watch for just mistakes or good evidence before posting.

I didn't think we had scum yesterday so I didn't vote. I went on "Gut" before, didn't work out for Venge. Blend? as with the rest ..... No idea what to look for as far as their playing style.....so no clue.

[bubba]

Shinrei, on 07 December 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

To clarify this:

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My GUESS is, if he IS a symp or killer, he wouldn't finger another killer given the risk involved. I'm not PIing Gnaw, but I'm less inclined to think he's scum.

He could very well finger someone else as innocent (if he's scum, he DOES know who is innocent and who is not) and he could finger scum equally for WIFOM purposes. But my feeling is the first person he fingers is less likely to be scum.

Now that I think of it, since if he were scum and can finger anyone he wants because he knows who is inno and who is not, I'm more inclined to believe he is a legit finder. Easier to say "Shinrei is inno" as symp/killer because I know I'm inno, and would believe him even more.

The flip side to that is he could be the symp. He could have done it hoping to be killed. That would PI a killer. Not sure in this game , but most games the killer/s don't know who their symp is.

[Shinrei]

True, but most killers aren't too overly concerned about hitting their symp, either. Sure, it's better for them if they don't, but they can't really stress out about it either.

[Tattersail_]

I'll do my run down when I get to work. Over night I was thinking of Bubba for these reasons

He is a mafia veteran so I would think he would comment more on the finder reveal, actually create a case or two and ask good questions

I have just read ths last two pages and he becomes less likely because he ticks don't of those off.

I'll post more thoughts In about an hour

[Gnaw]

Instead of going to bed, I watched some Monty Python documentary. fuck, I did not know that 3 of them went to Cambridge and two to Oxford.
Any how's this time I am going to bed. But I had a thought about that picture. Would it not be possible to interpret that as "Tatts is not at home"? As in FM? I know it's supposedly an exotic role, but don't these things tend to go in "flavor of the month" cycles

[Shinrei]

That would increase the tmdi significantly.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 20 hours and 56 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Blend ( Shinrei )

Players not voted: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Starling, Tattersail

I'm going to bed. Brujah should be awake around now, though.

-Sixty

[Tattersail_]

Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

Okay so here is the number of people alive. I am going to go through today and see what GH had to say, he could of been the killers symp, but I think there may be some good nuggets of information from what he says.

For now without reading through...

Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

I think that if Azath is a finder then why is he still alive? To give him credibility? He could be a killer fucking with us.

Blend has done a good job of having clean posts and playing a clean town game he has done nothing out of the ordinary. Yesterday I put him in the same boat as GH for giving of town vibes and I placed my trust in him a little. I'm going to have a read up on him today and see if there is anything there to nitpick.

Bubba has not wowed me as I thought he would of. I mean he has said that he hasn't played with a lot of us before so he cannot get a good read. I call bull shit. He should be giving us more than what he has done so far. Shin calls it lazy. I think he could be a killer wanting to stay out of the spotlight. Him and Blend could be a good partnership. Blend making cases, Bubba staying in the background.

Hiddenone started the game differently than usual, I applauded his amount of posts early on, as the game has grew and developed he has become less and less and falling back into the old ways that people despise so much.

If I keep going. (Bare in mind this is without a new read up so I am going off memory here)

Gnaw has given me town vibes due to his scummy play day one. He played a certain way and it did look as though he was purposefully looking scummy, purposefully playing a certain way that indicates to me an RI not giving a fuck early on.

Khell could go either way. It's the same as always. Khell could be a killer, symp or town. I am leaning toward town/symp this game though as there is a few things he said that made me take up his side.

Shin has listed some good quality posts. His analysis of the game rubs me up the right way. Thing with this though is he could be just as Blend is and playing a perfect townie looking to be overlooked his scum play. One thing about Azath being alive is that Shin wasn't around yesterday either to change his provisional. Shin could be a killer but i'm leaning towards town.

Starling has got to be town. Got to be. Day one I wasn't so sure but she has been willing to give her vote and be around when matters but has not influenced the game in a scum like way at all. She hasn't drove any wrong lynches.


Now i'll go and read up and change my mind completely again.

[Tattersail_]

So at first I thought the picture was just flavor. Then it re appears the next day. If it appears again then I think it has to be a game mechanic. Path - Shaper cannot point unnecessary fingers cause that is just cruel!

Yes I was first to vote Venge, then had a spamful day one. Day two I think I started the EM train so maybe that is why my pictures are appearing. Maybe if I follow a train today then someone elses picture will appear?

Lizrad, on 04 December 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Exhausted from your earlier deed of lynching someone nice, you had a night full of nightmares. Some of these nightmares have a face.

Frequently you awake with screams. One scream from this corner, another scream from that. No one notices that one person isn't awaking from nightmares until the next morning, but by then it is already to late.

King Lear is dead. She was Innocent.



It is Day 2. 36 hours remaining
11 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, EmperorMagus, Gnaw, Gust Hubb, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, EmperorMagus, Gnaw, Gust Hubb, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

Lizrad, on 06 December 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Exhausted you go to bed. You don't feel to sure about killing EM, now that it is none, but you fall into a deep dreamless sleep anyways. The first thing you notice the next morning is that Gust Hubb is missing. You find his body near the beach. Hanging from a tree on a rope around his neck. Next to him you find a picture in the sand.


Gust Hubb is dead. He was Innocent.



It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining
9 Players still alive: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Azathmaster, Blend, Bubba, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Khellendros, Shinrei, Starling, Tattersail

[Shinrei]

Go back to end of day two. I made a post before the hammer. I was there and could have changed were I the killer.