[suqleg]

I seem to be alone in thinking it is Dissembrae, any one else think maybe? untested with a blade despite efforts to the contrary parallel story lines with rake and hood.. hard to pin point it but if I were Fiddler i would be having a feeling about this

[Silk]

but fisher shagged Envy.... .so doubt very much they are related otherwise that would remind me of a type of joke call you'd make to your boss.....
hi boss, i'm not coming in today as i'm sick....
how sick are you.....
i'm in bed with my sister.....

[Puck]

suqleg, on 11 November 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

I seem to be alone in thinking it is Dissembrae, any one else think maybe? untested with a blade despite efforts to the contrary parallel story lines with rake and hood.. hard to pin point it but if I were Fiddler i would be having a feeling about this

Dassem is Dessembrae, and the T'lan Imass are to blame. Besides, Dassem's a human probably not much older than the Malazan Empire, so personally I'd rule that one out.

[stoppered]

Damn I forgot he shagged envy... somehow. Lots going on.

[stoppered]

When is icarium born?

[Macros]

About nine months after his parents got it on.

[The Retired Bridgeburner]

I'm very interested to see if we will still "not recognise" QB at the end of the Kharkanas trilogy or whether we will have built up more to go on.

Personally, I don't think the 7C mages are the only souls to be a part of QB. We know they are there for sure, but there's no point that I can think of (midway through a second read of MBotF at the moment, so I could very well have missed something) where we're definitively told there's nobody else in there too. The possibility occurred to me that there could already have been more than one soul in the mortal QB before the pursuit across Raraku - it opens up more possibilities for the conversation he has with "Mother" and "Father" at the Spar of Andii.

Personally one of the elements I love about SE's writing is his gleeful refusal to tell you everything. It gives you plenty for your brain to pick over, and that's always fun. I always have a vague imagining of him sitting about doing this while his readers mull it all over.

[Iamme]

I am now more or less convinced Icarium is Arathan (Icarium is not jhag at all). Many holes (unknowns) in my theory. But still..unless Arathan is dead.

[Rath Orlong]

stoppered, on 11 November 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Arathan = Fisher

Think about it....

That is my bet, too.

As far as Quick Ben goes, isn't his last name Delat? Sounds like it was derived from Delath, which is Korya's last name. What does that mean? Does she have a brother or cousin we have yet to meet in this trilogy?

This post has been edited by Rath Orlong: 21 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

[Asharak]

Quick Bens sister shows up in The Bonehunters, and she remembers being a child at the same time as him, and she is pretty clearly human.




Im thinking Arathan is Ruthan Gudd, since we know Ruthan knows Draconus very well.

This post has been edited by Asharak: 24 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

[James Hetfield]

Iamme, on 21 November 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

I am now more or less convinced Icarium is Arathan (Icarium is not jhag at all). Many holes (unknowns) in my theory. But still..unless Arathan is dead.

How is Icarium not Jhag? Dad(Gothos) is jaghut. Mom is unknown. Although she is referred to as an overgrown Hag, or something like that. Probably Thel Akai. Am I missing something??

[SpeedJump]

I'm fairly certain that Arathan is QB.
During the preparation for the journey Arathan helps Sagander pack, during this exchange there is a passage having to do with weights.

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He counted a dozen gradations of the pure metal, the heaviest feeling solid and filling the palm of his hand when he picked it up. The lightest one was barely the size of a pebble, like a thick coin. He tucked that one into his belt pouch.

This weight is never mentioned again in the book, and the way it is described is similar to the things QB makes throughout the series.

There is another section where Draconus describes Arathan as dissembling, which is an apt word to describe QB.

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'Among men, however, you will be known as dissembling and treacherous.'

There is also the relationship with Korya, and her dolls. However I believe that that is something from a different soul of QB, as he uses them as a child in the flashbacks we see in the main series.

[King Lear]

I'm getting a bit confused about how make are making there references when they're saying 'I think X is Quick Ben.

Since we all know that QB is made up of numerous people, I think it's pointless to say someone *is* Quick Ben. It's entirely possible that Arathan or Korya Delath could be one of the personalities that will make up QB later, but I don't think we'll be seeing the person who was the initial sole occupier of his body. We know very little about the other souls inside him, so it's entirely possible we're going to come across a number of them, if not all, and we may or may not recognise them. But I doubt we'll see the original Quick Ben in this trilogy. Not to mention that saying someone categorically is QB seems a bit cheap, given how complex the story behind him is. It's taken us 10 books to piece together bits of information about him, I severely doubt that SE's going to a rabbit-in-the-hat "here he is!" trick.

If he does I'd be disappointed.
But he won't

[Macros]

The real QB, I mean the man we know and love, is a human, from Wu, middle aged with a sister whom he used to torment as a child.


Arathan is not QB. The are no dots that can take us from dracs son to kalam buddy, simples, qb quite clearly remembers his childhood

one of the souls inside him could, at a stretch, be Arathan. What puts me off this idea is the list of mages that ends up in QB, and the fact that arathan would be top dog in almost any human mage mixer, and would be the likely host.


eta, most likely koyra is toppers grandmother, when i say most likely I mean, meh a small chance, he's 1/4 tiste, but with arathan not beings real tiste it could be topps dad.. Leaves topper a tad underpowered though so Ima shelve that is drunken idiocy.
arathan is not QB
arathan is not icarium
go to bed

This post has been edited by Macros: 25 November 2012 - 09:01 AM

[worry]

I thought Topper was half TA...it's Pearl that's 1/4 TA IIRC.

[Macros]

My bad, you are correct I think. I may have been drunk at the time of posting

[Sinisdar Toste]

still, i have to agree with your assessment that arathan is not icarium. i'm not sure about the possible relation to QB, but i'm damn sure i'm not going to bed.

[The Swordbearer]

Seen someone stated Arathan looked Tiste. and I wonder why I keep wanting to write his name as Arthas

Page six Arathan thinks on how there was litle of Tiste blood in him - and how he had not the fair skin or tall frame, and his eyes while dark had not the mercurial ambivalence of the pure born. and how in these details he was the same as his sisters and wonders where then the blood of his father.

Personaly havent the foggiest idea on who he is dont think he's QB Not Iccy for sure Karsa recognized his other half as being Toblakai Maybe Gothos refering to her as a hag was a term of endearment.

[Wol]

Arathan being Iccy seems a little too tacky/ cheap?
It's a long way to go from being his student to being a son who attacked an Azeth house because he couldn't understand why his father chose it over him, (plus turning into a Jhag seems a bit desperate, why not a full blood then?)
At the very least I imagine that Arathan understands Gothos enough or will do to get enough of the picture to let Gothos do what he wants (and not act like a kid who's father has abandoned him). Envy talks about her brother healing Togg or Faraday anyway so presumably he is around at the CG's fall. Anyway it's early days and for all we know he might join the Hurst legion. Personally I suspect he's alive and is just another ascendant, Fisher would be a likely possibility, there's no guarantee that Gallan know's Fisher is Arathan, and the incest angle hasn't ever bothered other deities, and for all we know it might be common practice with the Azathanai. And it makes sense to my mind that Fisher would be someone with such close ties with the Tiste and the Azathanai. But yeah, he and Old man might be running a pub in Dal Hon.

Anyway, there are a lot of people he could be, but a couple like Iccy and Ben can probably be dismissed at this point because we have enough info to know that their back stories don't really match up with Arathan's.

[Sinisdar Toste]

The Swordbearer, on 02 December 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Maybe Gothos refering to her as a hag was a term of endearment.

i think i need to clear something up... the term 'overgrown hag' to refer to iccy's mom is used by the errant ("spawn of gothos and that overgrown hag"), and only the errant. gothos never makes any mention of who iccy's mother is.