[Robin55077]

My first ever post on this forum and I am probably going to get laughed off the site but here goes anyway:

I know that most people seem to link Korya as Quick Ben andI can see the basis for that argument although in a way that seems a bit obvious and SE is rarely obvious. I know that many people are seeing a link to Arathan as Tayschrenn as well, but theonly real basis for that that I have seen so far is the similarity to Tay's use of the name Artanthos.

I, however, just have the feeling that Arathan is Quick Ben (or at least the Andii soul in QB). In The Crippled God when Quick Ben is at the Spar of Andii during his conversationwith "Mother" he references both a "choice" that he made and the fact that his father should have kept him "chained" if he wanted obedience. Here in FoD, when they finally get to Gothos, it is Arathan's "choice" to remain with Gothos and Gothos says to Draconus that they "will need more than chains to keep him here." Another link I see is that when Quick Ben is at the Spar and he summons the horse with "old blood" the horse that he summons is very similar in description to the vision Arathan has of Calaras as Draconus leaves him, right down to the "eyes flaring as if suddenly lit with lurid flames."

At this point, I really have nothing more solid to base this theory on but wanted to throw it out here anyway.

[HoosierDaddy]

There are myriads of theories of the relationship. I'd like the actual quote from TCG to help compare it to, but you could be right. For some reason I think Arathan is someone we haven't met in the BotF, but I could certainly be wrong.

Also, your profile says 3 posts. Not 1. Imposter!!!!!!

[King Lear]

I like the catch about the chains and horses

[nacht]

Definitely a very exciting theory. I vaguely remember that in some book, he talks as if he personally knew Grizzin Farl.
If this hypothesis is true, Quick Ben would be half brother to Spite and Envy. Did he ever make any references to them in any of the books?

There are some odd references regarding Aranthan; he has a very interesting blood "color", something like he grows fast and something about the near drowning incident which seemed to have affected him somehow.

[HoosierDaddy]

Well, he'd be draconic, meaning what hurt him would only make him stronger. He'd be more likely to.....

Huh. Well, I just jumped on the Ruthan Gudd train.

[Robin55077]

HoosierDaddy, on 21 October 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

There are myriads of theories of the relationship. I'd like the actual quote from TCG to help compare it to, but you could be right. For some reason I think Arathan is someone we haven't met in the BotF, but I could certainly be wrong.

Also, your profile says 3 posts. Not 1. Imposter!!!!!!

Not sure of the actual page number in The Crippled God (it is 220 in my ebook version) but Quick Ben at the Spar of Andii is the end of Chapter 2. (Didn't remember posting the other 2 posts...Sorry about that.)

[Kanese S's]

As to him being the Andii soul in Quick Ben... Arathan may or may not have any Tiste ancestry.

[worry]

What if Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, and Ruthan Gudd were all best friends!!!!!!!

[Abyss]

Robin55077, on 21 October 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

My first ever post on this forum and I am probably going to get laughed off the site

BWWAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHEEEHEHEHHAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA....
...still here....?
Rats.
Ah well. Solid first post so you can stay.

Quote

...but here goes anyway:

I ...just have the feeling that Arathan is Quick Ben (or at least the Andii soul in QB). ...when Quick Ben is at the Spar and he summons the horse with "old blood" the horse that he summons is very similar in description to the vision Arathan has of Calaras as Draconus leaves him, right down to the "eyes flaring as if suddenly lit with lurid flames."...

Everything you ref is as good as anything else we've got, but this specific ref is VERY interesting.

King Lear, on 21 October 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

I like the catch about the chains and horses

Yep, the chains too.

HoosierDaddy, on 22 October 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

Well, he'd be draconic, meaning what hurt him would only make him stronger. He'd be more likely to.....

Huh. Well, I just jumped on the Ruthan Gudd train.

Did it hurt when you landed?

But as far as we know, as of FoD, Draconus isn't Draconic yet and no Eleint are around, so neither is whomever his mother is.

Kanese S, on 22 October 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

As to him being the Andii soul in Quick Ben... Arathan may or may not have any Tiste ancestry.

Very good point.
We've suspected his mom is MD, but there are other contenders out there and if any of them are Az'i, he's not Tiste, he just looks like one.

worrywort, on 22 October 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

What if Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, and Ruthan Gudd were all best friends!!!!!!!

AND THEY ALL WENT DRINKING TOGETHER!!!!
actually, that would be pretty boring because none of them would want to talk about anything....

[Spoilsport Stonny]

It was the "...need more than chains." comment that made me think that Arathan was the Builder. Not saying there is evidence that points to this. It was just my initial impression. Like they'd need to come up with a creative solution to keeping him with Gothos. Nothing else really points to this, but I'm not gonna hang my helmet on it either. I still see argument for Arathan being Iccy. Speculation is fun, when there's at least a carpet fiber of evidence.

[worry]

Why was Tayschrenn supposed to be QB's shaved knuckle again?

[Vengeance]

nacht, on 22 October 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

Definitely a very exciting theory. I vaguely remember that in some book, he talks as if he personally knew Grizzin Farl.
If this hypothesis is true, Quick Ben would be half brother to Spite and Envy. Did he ever make any references to them in any of the books?

Now that you mention it I do seem to remember him saying that he had 3 bitchy sisters who where constantly trying to kill each other. Didn't think anything of it at the time. Do you think that it might be important. *Note that was sarcasm*


Good theory.

[champ]

Robin55077, on 21 October 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

... that his father should have kept him "chained" if he wanted obedience. Here in FoD, when they finally get to Gothos, it is Arathan's "choice" to remain with Gothos and Gothos says to Draconus that they "will need more than chains to keep him here."

Why not throw in a cage too... he's always referenced as a cagey bastard!

[Abyss]

worrywort, on 22 October 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Why was Tayschrenn supposed to be QB's shaved knuckle again?

His backup in the fight against the CG, but that plan went out the window when Tays vanished in RCG.

Vengeance, on 22 October 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

nacht, on 22 October 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

... Quick Ben would be half brother to Spite and Envy. Did he ever make any references to them in any of the books?

Now that you mention it I do seem to remember him saying that he had 3 bitchy sisters who where constantly trying to kill each other. ...

What book?

[Seatiger]

Tay was active in helping fight the crippled god if I read everything right he gave his support to K'rul near the end when it was most needed helping QB in the scope of things.

[worry]

I need to read TCG again.

[Puck]

Seatiger, on 28 October 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Tay was active in helping fight the crippled god if I read everything right he gave his support to K'rul near the end when it was most needed helping QB in the scope of things.

Huh? Couldn't have been in tCG, though, as nobody fought him there.. So, explain, please?

[Seatiger]

The way I understand everything is Tay became part of K'rul in the end of Orb/Scepter/Throne which is before the end of TCG so the way I see it Tay helped in the final events at the end of TCG. And or leading up to them.

This post has been edited by Seatiger: 29 October 2012 - 10:21 PM

[Macros]

I though QB had one sister and recalls tormenting her at one stage when he lived in a city.
Or was that someone else.
I'm fair certain I recall him thinking that he had been a wild child, which really doesn't suit arathorn

[Vengeance]

Abyss, on 23 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

worrywort, on 22 October 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Why was Tayschrenn supposed to be QB's shaved knuckle again?

His backup in the fight against the CG, but that plan went out the window when Tays vanished in RCG.

Vengeance, on 22 October 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

nacht, on 22 October 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

... Quick Ben would be half brother to Spite and Envy. Did he ever make any references to them in any of the books?

Now that you mention it I do seem to remember him saying that he had 3 bitchy sisters who where constantly trying to kill each other. ...

What book?

That was sarcasm. He never mentioned it.