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Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:
Ok, so we had a look at the head of the Ouchi signing a scroll that required his signature. And wishing somebody would make a mistake so that they could go to open war.
Then we have an Amako general nodding at his paymaster and this "He resisted the urge to glance back. It was irritating, having to use such methods, but he had to trust his instincts and hope this worked. If he could avoid war for as long as possible..."
That means we have now seen two of the three clans. In both cases they are doing something they find unwelcome. What I know of real Samurai culture is thin, but wouldn't hiring assassins make a Samurai unhappy?
Path-Shaper told us that:
Off to the doctor now. I'll write my defense of my "contradictions" while there and post when I come back. Should be no more than an hour. Oh, 1 last thing: I wasn't joking when I said that Karosis scared me and I'd be willing to get rid of him for that alone. You'll notice however that I did'nt vote for him or anyone else.
Then we have an Amako general nodding at his paymaster and this "He resisted the urge to glance back. It was irritating, having to use such methods, but he had to trust his instincts and hope this worked. If he could avoid war for as long as possible..."
That means we have now seen two of the three clans. In both cases they are doing something they find unwelcome. What I know of real Samurai culture is thin, but wouldn't hiring assassins make a Samurai unhappy?
Path-Shaper told us that:
- there are 3 clans struggling for dominance. We have yet to see any direct evidence of Hosokawa.
- There are factions. However, we were not directly told that the 3 factions are the 3 clans listed; we all inferred that but it was not stated explicitly.
- Per the lynch scene we know Eloth was working for for the Ashikaga shogun. So is the Ashikaga working to undermine Masamoto or is he simply using his own vassals to do Masamoto's bidding?
- Karosis pointed out that there is some ambiguity between "assassins" and "unaligned assassins" in the first two PS posts.
- Also no NKs
Off to the doctor now. I'll write my defense of my "contradictions" while there and post when I come back. Should be no more than an hour. Oh, 1 last thing: I wasn't joking when I said that Karosis scared me and I'd be willing to get rid of him for that alone. You'll notice however that I did'nt vote for him or anyone else.
I fucked up here. I completely missed the section at the bottom of PS's Amako general scene. "Sumiyuki Hosokawa smiled as he brushed the words onto the paper. Just as he knew his master in Kyoto would smile upon reading them. "Everything goes as planned.""
So I withdraw my posit that the Ashikaga as a clan are involved as a faction. The factions clearly seem to be Hosokawa, Amako, and Ouchi. (That also blows a big hole in my Korvalain is insisting on Hosakawa involvement because he's a Hosakawa faction member theory)
I still think that Eloth could possibly have been a wild card assassin doing the bidding of the Ashikaga shogun as side line to destabilize the Hosokawa while still remaining apparently loyal to them. But I don't weight very heavily at all now.
So 3 factions with 4 members each and 4 assassins. I'm going to go with all assassins are unaligned, because Eloth dying makes wild card idea moot.
Which leaves me standing whee I was from damn near the beginning. I think Eloth successfully deflected from either Korosis or Osseric because he was a faction member and one of them is the faction leader. I'm troubled by the lack of a NK, but don't have much to go on.
The defense rests. Seeing as how I'm likely to be seen as offering up any alternatives as an attempt to throw suspicion off myself, I don't think I will. Either I live through until tomorrow or I don't.
Any kill is a good kill for someone, but I think this day phase was wasted focusing on me for less than tight reasons. But with 2 votes to go I'm supposed to think that. So I'll make the only defensible vote - get rid of the dead weight.
Vote Liosan
