[Meanas]

I think the case on Eloth is acceptable for a Day 1 situation. I could vote for him based on what I feel could have been a slip when asking about the assassins, if the player were new-ish.

[Spite]

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

I think the case on Eloth is acceptable for a Day 1 situation. I could vote for him based on what I feel could have been a slip when asking about the assassins, if the player were new-ish.

True, but I want options. Karosis still hasn't come back and I'd like to hear more from him.

[Korvalain]

I would certainly like to hear from Eloth. He hasn't been around since I started building a case against him. Would be interesting to see his defense.

[Meanas]

Probably not expecting to be under fire

Plenty of people willing to vote him, i'd say typical for early faction game

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Probably not expecting to be under fire

Plenty of people willing to vote him, i'd say typical for early faction game

Not to mention Day 1s in general.

Anyway, I don't really understand the 'case' against Karosis. I don't see there being anything wrong with wanting to get right down to business. Day 1 spam is just useless.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1 16 hours are left in the day.

16 players are left alive.


D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan


9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Korbas, Korvalain, Galain
1 vote Osseric: Mockra

Players not voting:

D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan

[Spite]

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Probably not expecting to be under fire

Plenty of people willing to vote him, i'd say typical for early faction game

Not to mention Day 1s in general.

Anyway, I don't really understand the 'case' against Karosis. I don't see there being anything wrong with wanting to get right down to business. Day 1 spam is just useless.

There's not much of a case on anyone, and on Day 1 there likely won't be. What we'll get here will be information for a culture hunt.

[Meanas]

@ Spite - can you explain what culture hunt means? And you're right, but it's better than the usual dross we have to vote on

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

@ Spite - can you explain what culture hunt means? And you're right, but it's better than the usual dross we have to vote on

A culture hunt is when people try to figure out who is part of the faction that whoever was voted off was in, if that person was part of a faction.

The Dresden game (2 games ago) has a perfect example of this. First person voted out was Fomor, and people just did everything they could to track down the rest of the Fomor before doing anything else. Then we found a Denarian, and did the same thing to them. In the end, there were two factions and a bunch of independents sitting around in-game.

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

@ Spite - can you explain what culture hunt means? And you're right, but it's better than the usual dross we have to vote on

A culture hunt is when people try to figure out who is part of the faction that whoever was voted off was in, if that person was part of a faction.

The Dresden game (2 games ago) has a perfect example of this. First person voted out was Fomor, and people just did everything they could to track down the rest of the Fomor before doing anything else. Then we found a Denarian, and did the same thing to them. In the end, there were two factions and a bunch of independents sitting around in-game.

thanks, I knew it meant chasing factions, I was just looking for an explanation as I've never heard that term anywhere else

[Galain]

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

@ Spite - can you explain what culture hunt means? And you're right, but it's better than the usual dross we have to vote on

A culture hunt is when people try to figure out who is part of the faction that whoever was voted off was in, if that person was part of a faction.

The Dresden game (2 games ago) has a perfect example of this. First person voted out was Fomor, and people just did everything they could to track down the rest of the Fomor before doing anything else. Then we found a Denarian, and did the same thing to them. In the end, there were two factions and a bunch of independents sitting around in-game.

thanks, I knew it meant chasing factions, I was just looking for an explanation as I've never heard that term anywhere else

It comes from a game that was played ages ago based on the Iain Banks Culture novels. A member of the Culture faction was lynched, and from then on that faction was hounded to extinction. And lo, the term 'Culture Hunt' was born.

[Meanas]

Emurlahn, on 19 September 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 19 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?

Odd question. Why do you ask who we go after when you're in the first two posters? Especially strange in a faction game, imo.

I thought it odd too

I guess he was trying to deflect attention . find a suitable lynch target so that you yourself will not be lynched .(Important role not wanting to die on his faction ?)

A defence of Karosis from Osseric?

Sure.

Fair enough.

Why did this answer get accepted so easily?

[Mockra]

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Probably not expecting to be under fire
Plenty of people willing to vote him, i'd say typical for early faction game

Not to mention Day 1s in general.
Anyway, I don't really understand the 'case' against Karosis. I don't see there being anything wrong with wanting to get right down to business. Day 1 spam is just useless.

I just think the "Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?" was a bit odd especially coming 6 minutes behind the first post. And then nothing since.
By my count there are still 4 who haven't even checked in yet.

[Mockra]

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Why did this answer get accepted so easily?

Due to the distracting Eloth assassin comment. But was the distraction a slip, a so far successful cover, or just day 1 not really paying attention shit? Enquiring minds want to know!
Or not.

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

D, on 19 September 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Eloth, on 19 September 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

What i mean by recruited is hired to kill someone by a faction

This here strikes me as a little weird. I have never played a game with an assassin mechanic, so I don't know much about it (gonna have to go do a little research), but there was no mention in the OP about assassins being hired. Is this another slip, or is the assassins being hired thing a normal assassin mechanic?

Below is from Tapper's FAQ thread:

Quote

Assassin
The Assassin is a regular (scum aligned) killer, except that his kills are unaffected by one or both of the following:
1. heals or bullet proofs on the target,
2. guards on the Assassin.
The role can be watered down by giving a limited number of uses of this ability to the Assassin.
Very exotic, very powerful role.

Nothing there about assassins being hired.

Dude you seem awfully insistent on this lynch. Hell, you just quoted tapper's faq for a different set of games entirely (read: completely separate from shin's sengoku games as far as I'm aware) to support your argument.

Actually, I quoted Tapper's Mafia 101 thread (http://forum.malazan...showtopic=20858) which is about Mafia in General. It has a rundown of just about any role you can think of. And I was just trying to get some kind of idea of what an assassin role usually entails as I thought Eloth's slip about the hiring assassins was a little suspicious.

That being said, I also went back and looked at the previous Sengoku games, and none of them had an assassin role in them, so they are not a good reference for this argument.

I have nothing overly invested in an Eloth lynch. He just keeps digging himself a hole, and seeing as no one else is coming up with anything decent in terms of cases, I took the time to research my accusations to make sure I wasn't making any unwarranted ones. If someone gives me a better lynch target then a likely assassin, then I will move my vote. For now, the fact that he's likely an assassin makes him a safe lynch for me. It assures me that I won't hit someone on my faction, and gets rid of one of the assassins, thus one of the people out there with killing power. I want my faction to win, and getting rid of an assassin makes it a bit easier to do that, though it doesn't directly affect my win conditions.

Rather than just attack me for making an actual case with proof and stuff to back up my accusations, why don't you make a case that I might be willing to move my vote for?

Okay, fair enough. To be honest the case on Eloth is the strongest I can discern, but it's every player's job to question everything. The problem here is that not only is there not much to go off of, but there's also little activity in general. Eloth already responded to your case further up, but I also want to hear more from Karosis (or Korbas?) first.

[Meanas]

Im out for the next 12 hrs or so

Should be back before time out

[Tellan]

Interesting. I'm enjoying the pace this game has started off with.

Personally, I don't often subscribe to the idea that someone who has brought up a role must have that role. We've been told there are assassins in this game, and speculating on them is no different to speculating on the roles of scum in a normal scum game. This alone is not enough, in my mind, to convict Eloth. However, his speculation that assassins can be hired or recruited is very interesting, and seems to have come out of left field.

The comment by Karosis is not really indicative of anything to me, except that he is probably not a leader of a faction, if his looking for guidance is anything to go by. Unless it's sneakily crafted to look like that, but now we're getting into WIFOM territory.

The case on Eloth is one of the strongest day one cases I've seen, and at this stage I'm prepared to vote for him.

[Karosis]

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?

Odd question. Why do you ask who we go after when you're in the first two posters? Especially strange in a faction game, imo.

I disagree that it is an especially strange coment in a faction game. Maybe I could have added a smiley so people would get that the post was a meant as a jocular commentary on how day ones normally go. Spam followed by running a train on the first person to have a serious case made on them, and the train running part is more common in faction games.

I've just skimmed the rest of the thread so far, so I'll go back over the Eloth stuff (and everything else) once I've had a bite.

[Spite]

Karosis, on 20 September 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?

Odd question. Why do you ask who we go after when you're in the first two posters? Especially strange in a faction game, imo.

I disagree that it is an especially strange coment in a faction game. Maybe I could have added a smiley so people would get that the post was a meant as a jocular commentary on how day ones normally go. Spam followed by running a train on the first person to have a serious case made on them, and the train running part is more common in faction games.

I've just skimmed the rest of the thread so far, so I'll go back over the Eloth stuff (and everything else) once I've had a bite.

Or at least a lolcat...

[Mockra]

Path-Shaper, on 19 September 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

16 hours are left in the day.

Fener, Liosan

These 2 are still no shows, right?