[Spite]

Eloth, on 19 September 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

If therere 16 people, i'd guess 4 assasins and 4 per team maybe? I can see there being only 1 or 2 assassins. The title of the chapter is knives in the dark.

I think that would be pretty unbalanced then. With that kind of layout one or two teams have assassins and the others don't. There is either an assassin on each team or the assassins are independent from the teams.

[Eloth]

I thought it was said that asssassins were independent in the op with indep vcs. They have different goals.

[Eloth]

By four per team i meant four non assassins

[D'riss]

@Eloth: That seems like the most probable configuration. Unless we have uneven numbers of players per faction, but that would be a pretty inflexible / difficult to balance setup so it would be unlikely.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 19 September 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Electric is the easy option, Wet is the manly option

Wet is the metro option. Dry is the manly option.

[Osseric]

I think its enough with the shaving talk.

[D'riss]

Don't be a party pooper.

I've always been an electric guy, makes the whole affair a lot quicker.

[Osseric]

Oh get out . It leaves half of it out there! you shave it and 10 minutes later, boom . there it is again.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 19 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?

Odd question. Why do you ask who we go after when you're in the first two posters? Especially strange in a faction game, imo.

I thought it odd too

I guess he was trying to deflect attention . find a suitable lynch target so that you yourself will not be lynched .(Important role not wanting to die on his faction ?)

A defence of Karosis from Osseric?

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 19 September 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Popping in on a free period. No discussion as of yet. What does everyone think about the assassin mechanic?

We've had decent discussion, actually.

You an assassin? Age old rule. I need to go back and look at the mechanic, but i don't remember there being a lot to discuss..

(Replying to myself here). Yeah i just looked back, nothing too interesting there. We've had independant victories quite a few times in the recent past.

I think this is a classic example of bringing up your own role in discussion. Especially with how forced this reads.

Let me know if i'm completely off base here, but he seems like an assassin. And that's the safest of safe lynches. We get to vote someone without worrying about him being on our faction too much.

For now,


vote eloth

For above reasoning. Will be around for a while longer, then absent for long stretches.

I'm going to disagree with your reasoning Korbas. But agree with your solution. Rather than a forced push on the assassin role, I think it was adept changing of the subject away for the Osseric defending Karosis discussion. But which one is he trying to protect? Too soon to tell. So vote Eloth and see who jumps on the train.
Vote Eloth.

[Osseric]

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 19 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Meanas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 September 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Second. So who do we go after day one? Or do we just do the japansex thing today?

Odd question. Why do you ask who we go after when you're in the first two posters? Especially strange in a faction game, imo.

I thought it odd too

I guess he was trying to deflect attention . find a suitable lynch target so that you yourself will not be lynched .(Important role not wanting to die on his faction ?)

A defence of Karosis from Osseric?

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Korbas, on 19 September 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 19 September 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Popping in on a free period. No discussion as of yet. What does everyone think about the assassin mechanic?

We've had decent discussion, actually.

You an assassin? Age old rule. I need to go back and look at the mechanic, but i don't remember there being a lot to discuss..

(Replying to myself here). Yeah i just looked back, nothing too interesting there. We've had independant victories quite a few times in the recent past.

I think this is a classic example of bringing up your own role in discussion. Especially with how forced this reads.

Let me know if i'm completely off base here, but he seems like an assassin. And that's the safest of safe lynches. We get to vote someone without worrying about him being on our faction too much.

For now,


vote eloth

For above reasoning. Will be around for a while longer, then absent for long stretches.

I'm going to disagree with your reasoning Korbas. But agree with your solution. Rather than a forced push on the assassin role, I think it was adept changing of the subject away for the Osseric defending Karosis discussion. But which one is he trying to protect? Too soon to tell. So vote Eloth and see who jumps on the train.
Vote Eloth.

Is using bold font for voting THAT hard?

[Mockra]

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

But which one is he trying to protect? Too soon to tell. So vote Eloth and see who jumps on the train.
Vote Eloth.

Is using bold font for voting THAT hard?

Well that didn't take long at all, did it.

Vote Osseric

[Osseric]

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

But which one is he trying to protect? Too soon to tell. So vote Eloth and see who jumps on the train.
Vote Eloth.

Is using bold font for voting THAT hard?

Well that didn't take long at all, did it.

Vote Osseric

Hmmm.

What?

[D'riss]

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Oh get out . It leaves half of it out there! you shave it and 10 minutes later, boom . there it is again.

...when you shave with an electric? Maybe it's a blessing I don't grow much facial hair.

[D'riss]

Mockra you've lost me.

[Olar Ethil]

Odd start time to a game. No time to read right now. Just checking in.

[Sorrit]

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 September 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

But which one is he trying to protect? Too soon to tell. So vote Eloth and see who jumps on the train.
Vote Eloth.

Is using bold font for voting THAT hard?

Well that didn't take long at all, did it.

Vote Osseric

hey mockra, do you want to explain this vote? Am I being daft and not seeing something or what?

[Korvalain]

Alright, three things have stood out to me so far this game....

Firstly - the second post wanting to jump right into figuring out how to vote, with all of one post that only said ‘FIRST!’ on thread. That being said, I am of the ‘let’s skip the spam and jump right into the game’ mentality, so I would much rather find a different reason to vote.



Secondly, the assassin speculation in general – not just Eloth’s. First there’s Eloth’s bringing up the assassin rings the ‘someone in a specific role usually brings up his own role before speculating on other roles first’ bells, as Korbas pointed out. But then there was Spite’s misinterpretation of Eloth’s ‘4 assassins and 4 per team’ post, which I found kind of surprising seeing as I understood what Eloth was saying without really thinking about it. Further, it’s pretty clear in the OP that the assassins are independents, so obviously there wouldn’t be any on the teams.



Thirdly was this comment:

Eloth, on 19 September 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I just was trying to kick start a discussion. We've pretty much just talked about beards and people being nekkid. I guess we could discuss unaligned assassins and aligned ones. Shin mentioned unaligned factions not counting towards faction vcs. Can assassins be revruited or something?

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It seems pretty obvious to me that in a faction game, and based on what I have read of the two previous Sengoku games, that it would make absolutely no sense for there to be a recruit mechanic. I think that Eloth made a slip with the assassin comment in the first place and is throwing different possibilities on thread to try to confuse the issue.



It says in the OP:

Path-Shaper, on 18 September 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Welcome to Chapter 3 of Warring States Period (Sengoku) Mafia

The following are the rules specific to this faction game.

Factions:

Each member of a faction knows their leader. The leader of each faction also knows a single member of their faction.

Victory conditions for factions:

Achieve numerical superiority over rival factions. Unaligned assassins are not included when calculating faction numbers.

Assassins:

Victory Conditions:

Be the last assassin standing.

The victory conditions of the factions and assassins are mutually exclusive. Two scenarios are possible:

1) An assassin eliminates their rivals and claims victory. Game continues until a faction victor is also decided.
2) A faction emerges victorious, but there is more than one assassin remaining in the game. The game is over. This results in a draw for the remaining assassins.

For all players: Reveals of any information to be found in your PM is forbidden.

Days will be 30 hours. Nights 10 hours.

Why would they be mutually exclusive if the assassins could be recruited? Given the entire above post, I don’t understand why there is ANY confusion over the assassins. I mean, aside from exact mechanics, we’re given pretty much everything we could possibly ask for regarding the roles.



It seems to me that us faction peeps need to just try and kill off other faction peeps and not worry too much about the assassins. It would be better if a faction could get numerical superiority with at least 2 assassins left, that way it’s clear that we are the winners, and no one else is. But maybe I’m just being selfish.

[Korvalain]

Oh, forgot to vote... Given the above, I currently don't trust Eloth. I think he's an assassin that slipped and is now scrambling to try to cover it up.

vote Eloth

[Mockra]

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Oh, forgot to vote... Given the above, I currently don't trust Eloth. I think he's an assassin that slipped and is now scrambling to try to cover it up.
vote Eloth

We're only two pages in so I'm skipping the quotes. Besides saving me time, it forces everyone to re-read and double check my thought process.Three things stand out to me also.

• The second post "who do we lynch George, who do we lynch?" http://m.youtube.com...v%3Dbs-Q0JmWjj0
• Osseric jumping in to defend that post
• Eloth with the assassin thing.

Two people think that Eloth slipped and revealed. I think he did a deliberate change of subject to protect either Osseric or Karosis. If I'm right then Eloth is aware of a faction tie and is less important than that faction tie.
When I posted my hypothesis, Osseric jumped in with a typo complaint. That makes him "George".
Of course the gaping hole in logic is Korosis has disappeared.
For now I'll stand with my vote.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 19 September 2012 - 07:07 PM

[Osseric]

Mockra, on 19 September 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Oh, forgot to vote... Given the above, I currently don't trust Eloth. I think he's an assassin that slipped and is now scrambling to try to cover it up.
vote Eloth

We're only two pages in so I'm skipping the quotes. Besides saving me time, it forces everyone to re-read and double check my thought process.Three things stand out to me also.

• The second post "who do we lynch George, who do we lynch?" http://m.youtube.com...v%3Dbs-Q0JmWjj0
• Osseric jumping in to defend that post
• Eloth with the assassin thing.

Two people think that Eloth slipped and revealed. I think he did a deliberate change of subject to protect either Osseric or Karosis. If I'm right then Eloth is aware of a faction tie and is less important than that faction tie.
When I posted my hypothesis, Osseric jumped in with a typo complaint. That makes him "George".
Of course the gaping hole in logic is Korosis has disappeared.
For now I'll stand with my vote.

Am I the only one who doesn't get this guy ?


Edit: for example, what does this mean ?
" If I'm right then Eloth is aware of a faction tie and is less important than that faction tie."

This post has been edited by Osseric: 19 September 2012 - 07:15 PM