[Meanas]

Spite, on 07 September 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Ok, I gotta leave soon, so anything you want to discuss (looking at Meanas) should be said within 5 minutes.

Yeah, let's talk before you have to leave.

[Spite]

still here ...

[Osseric]

I'm done, should be back before end of day

[D'riss]

back, sorry I didnt get on yesterday evening.

the pub got int he way. i have a few odds and ends to do at the house here now but I'll make a proper full post asap

[Meanas]

Spite, on 07 September 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Spite...do I have to say anything?

Spite, on 06 September 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm here for 10 minutes or so, but I see thread is halfway dead . Right know Sorrit really stands out to me. He is Low posting and getting away with it.

okay, so here he brings attention to Sorrit, because he is committing the grievous crime of "low posting". Spite apparently doesn't like low posters.

Spite, on 06 September 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 06 September 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Why would you vote Korv, when the whole point was that Korv was symping Mockra? Killing a symp gets us nowhere, unless the voting block made by the killers and the symp is becoming an issue. At this stage of the game it isn't.

When I said that , it was just gut. now, I think It may be possible that Korv picked a low poster and tried to lynch him by fake-symping him. Clearing himself when he came up inno.

Wait, what the hell? Now Spite is saying that voting a low poster is a bad thing, saying it is suspicious. Also, he has now completely forgotten Sorrit and turned to Korv.

Spite, on 06 September 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

two others that I would like the lynch are Ossy and Meanas. Both of them are low posting so I don't have any idea about them.Oh and btw, Dead Thread Is Dead.

Uh...well, now it seems that low posting is bad again, talking about how he wants to lynch those who are low posting. Also,Che states he doesn't have any idea about them. Wait what?
Shouldn't you lynch people that you think you know are scummy, not people you just don't know anything about? Also changes who he is talking about again.

Spite, on 06 September 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'm back.I'm gonna vote Sorrit on grounds of low posting/move your lazy ass and give us some opinions .Vote Sorrit.I chose Sorrit because he was the most suspicious one. low posting big posts and pretending to post content.

and we are back to Sorrit, on the grounds of low posting. Didn't you just say in the previous post that you wanted to vote two completely different people for the exact same reason?

Spite, on 07 September 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Osseric

He is next in line.

Ok, Spite. What the hell does that even mean?

Vote Spite

first : Would you like it if we lynched you because a hypothetical Korv was supposedly defending you ?
My problem with Mockra lynch was the aforementioned.
And If you read the thread, you will see that I voted Mockra because of low-posting, not because of Korv.

Second : do you see anything with more merit than a low poster case in the thread ? I have missed it, point it out to me and I will happily vote that way.

Third: The exact reason I want to lynch low posters is that I don't have any idea about them, means they can hide their scumminess in low posting .

Fourth: I voted Sorrit because he was taking the middle way, posting some big posts and at the same time not giving ME any feeling of him . Thats smarter than low posting for a killer, right?

Fifth: all this scrambling because of a post that you weren't even voted in ? (seems familiar, didn't the same thing happen with emur day1 ? )

And last , If you would make such post for a couple of other players, you would be posting content. making you less scummy. right now you have shown that you have the time and ability to do so but just won't . I don't know why , but it seems my useless vote had some effect on the game .

Your first point: no, but this is Mafia.people make accusations, shit happens.

Your second point: yes I do. I would rather vote out people who make wild accusations and post erratically than those who don't have enough time to post as much as other players.

Your third point: speaking from experience, most low-posters usuallyndon't low post intentionally. Remember, not all of us have iPhones, and we have jobs and responsibilities. Just going for people who can't post as much as others is an ineffective method.

Your fourth point:ok, that makes more sense. It also completely goes against your third point.

Your fifth "point": you really think I am scrambling? You'll be able to tell when someone is scrambling. It's usually when they are actually in trouble.

[Meanas]

Spite, why did you switch your vote from Sorrit to Osseric? You never explained.

Actually,in your post you explicitly stated that you voted Sorrit because he was doing something worse than low posting, then you abruptly voted Osseric because he was "next on the list".

[Spite]

because Sorrit posted, while Osseric spammed.

I liked what Sorrit said. The point about Galain being the killer hadn't occurred to me. he said something that I liked, He gave us opinions, so I no longer had anything against him . Osseric didn't say anything useful.

Before you accuse me of symping Sorrit and trying to clear him . I assure you I will very well vote him if a train is started on him . I just don't think I have enough against him to start a train myself .

I agree about 4th and third point. but he is posting now, so I can' very well vote him for posting content while swearing my undying hatred for low posters. eh?

I shall go now. probably will be back before end of the day .

Edited to clarify. changed Osseric didn't to Osseric didn't say anything useful.

This post has been edited by Spite: 07 September 2012 - 03:15 AM

[Meanas]

Spite, on 07 September 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

because Sorrit posted, while Osseric spammed.

I liked what Sorrit said. The point about Galain being the killer hadn't occurred to me. he said something that I liked, He gave us opinions, so I no longer had anything against him . Osseric didn't say anything useful.

Before you accuse me of symping Sorrit and trying to clear him . I assure you I will very well vote him if a train is started on him . I just don't think I have enough against him to start a train myself .

I agree about 4th and third point. but he is posting now, so I can' very well vote him for posting content while swearing my undying hatred for low posters. eh?

I shall go now. probably will be back before end of the day .

Edited to clarify. changed Osseric didn't to Osseric didn't say anything useful.

Looking back, this does check out. But really, couldn't you have explained it better? We all want to know why people do what they do. I attacked because your changing your mind looked like a ton of flipping and pointing.
Thanks for answering well.

[Sorrit]

Spite, on 07 September 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

[snip]

first : Would you like it if we lynched you because a hypothetical Korv was supposedly defending you ?
My problem with Mockra lynch was the aforementioned.
And If you read the thread, you will see that I voted Mockra because of low-posting, not because of Korv.

Second : do you see anything with more merit than a low poster case in the thread ? I have missed it, point it out to me and I will happily vote that way.

Third: The exact reason I want to lynch low posters is that I don't have any idea about them, means they can hide their scumminess in low posting .

Fourth: I voted Sorrit because he was taking the middle way, posting some big posts and at the same time not giving ME any feeling of him . Thats smarter than low posting for a killer, right?

Fifth: all this scrambling because of a post that you weren't even voted in ? (seems familiar, didn't the same thing happen with emur day1 ? )

And last , If you would make such post for a couple of other players, you would be posting content. making you less scummy. right now you have shown that you have the time and ability to do so but just won't . I don't know why , but it seems my useless vote had some effect on the game .

First off, what? You only voted Mockra because he was low posting? The whole point of Mafia is that you look for connections, slips, strange behaviour. The only advantage of lynching a low poster is seeing the connections made between players and kicking off further discussion. The only reason the lynch of Mockra was interesting was because it seemed to show a relationship with Korvalain, but apparently that doesn't matter to you. If the supposed connection with Korvalain hadn't come up we would have had practically no information from the lynch to use as a start for the next lynch. Now you want to ignore all of that info and continue to focus on low posters, whether or not we are going to get info from that lynch?

Then you attack Meanas for questioning you, whilst seeming to completely miss the fact that the only way we are going to get enough information to make informed lynches is by questioning the posts people make. Then you freely admit that there are no viable lynch options, but you are making no effort to explore any of the options, question those who are making cases, or make any of your own cases that aren't based on low posting.

[Meanas]

I am going to bed now. I will be taking my vote down for now because I will be unable to play until this time tomorrow, by which point there will probably be a lynch. NOT because I have declared Spite innocent.

Remove vote

[D'riss]

will the weekend break hit before day times out?

This would be very helpful for me as couriers are making my life hell at the minute.



I've skim read the last 2 pages, two things that jumped out at me.
Sorritts defence of Galain (I think it was sorrit, but can't be sure)

Spites seeming a lot more useful today. I still feel symp for some reason I can't quite articulate.



Still will follow on a karosis/korv/emur vote for now but I want to read properlly when I get the time.

[Sorrit]

D, on 07 September 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

will the weekend break hit before day times out?

This would be very helpful for me as couriers are making my life hell at the minute.



I've skim read the last 2 pages, two things that jumped out at me.
Sorritts defence of Galain (I think it was sorrit, but can't be sure)

Spites seeming a lot more useful today. I still feel symp for some reason I can't quite articulate.



Still will follow on a karosis/korv/emur vote for now but I want to read properlly when I get the time.

Have you actually thought about what you've read at all?

Disagreeing with Emurlahn =/= defending Galain.

Spite posting more =/= being useful.

[Korvalain]

I want to go over my thoughts again. I am almost certain that Galain is at the very least our symp. Now I am not sure if he is fake symping Liosan here or if he is doing it on purpose. Galain keeps discrediting me by calling me suspicious. So I take that with a pinch of salt. Now I can not be sure he is symping Liosan because I am attacking Liosan or because he wants me to focus on Liosan rather than Karosis. Well here are a couple of his posts that stand out to me. The first is his potential signal to Karosis. The others are his defence of Liosan. What I also find strange is that Liosan is ignoring my accusations and hasn't answered my questions. Why would a town player do that?

Galain, on 04 September 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 04 September 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

Alright - that makes no sense to me. Ages ago, I managed to lynch a fellow innocent on day one in a serious game (not sure you lot know what that means, tbph) due to a random, fun vote on day one operating on the principle that it didn't matter anyway, might as well be a complete ass. Never again. There has to be a reason. There are compelling math reasons to lynch every day so I'm down with that but I don't start off with stupidity, I'd prefer to have a proper adult reason based on observable behaviour. There's no reason, especially with 36 hour days, that we can't have a real conversation that is related to the situation at hand. I'm off to bed soon, so please don't lynch me before I have a chance to respond

It's Fener. There is observable behavior. He's always the baddest of scum.

Remove Vote

Karosis, on 04 September 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 04 September 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

Alright - that makes no sense to me. Ages ago, I managed to lynch a fellow innocent on day one in a serious game (not sure you lot know what that means, tbph) due to a random, fun vote on day one operating on the principle that it didn't matter anyway, might as well be a complete ass. Never again. There has to be a reason. There are compelling math reasons to lynch every day so I'm down with that but I don't start off with stupidity, I'd prefer to have a proper adult reason based on observable behaviour. There's no reason, especially with 36 hour days, that we can't have a real conversation that is related to the situation at hand. I'm off to bed soon, so please don't lynch me before I have a chance to respond

The problem with this idea is that if you don't lynch day one then you go into day 2 with very little extra information to work with and one less innocent to get the lynch

Read much?

Karosis, on 04 September 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that depending on whether you have an odd or even number of players left that its sometimes better to go to night and wait for the next day. I cant remember which way round it was though as this was a while back

That's on d day.

Also, the new Fener is Karosis, if I remember correctly. He's been scum every time more than fener, recently.

Vote Karosis

Olar Ethil, on 04 September 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Oh, FFS, you are clever while seeming like the opposite aren't you?

slight bits? As in the enitirety of my post? Read it again - you missed everything, not just the bit about math reasons. What part of it were you responding to, ffs?

You're Brujah aren't you? NO, don't answer.

if editing posts is illegal in 'new malazan mafia' than kill me now because that is not on.

just do spelling fixes only, and make sure to note what you edit.

Spite, on 04 September 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I'm here. And I see we have had an argument this early in the first day. interesting.

And Spite! I'm glad you're posting. You better not turn into AnsibleSpite scum like a few games ago and low post your way to victory.

Spite, on 04 September 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

I noticed the ETA btw. And I completely agree that what he said was foolish but it does not mean OMGUS comment this early in the game. (I would have jumped and made one such comment too, but really. it does not mean you should do it as well.)
That vote for Fener. It made me cry. useless voting in... worst way possible.

Remove Vote

Vote Spite

His vote on Karosis is because "Karosis is the new Fener". He admits later that this is a joke vote. A joke vote that doesn't stick, in the middle of a huge post when the final vote goes elsewhere? The killers usually do not know their symp so the symp has to either let them know by signalling or by defending them and making other players seem less than what they are. Galain is scummy as hell.

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 September 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Again apologies. None of the above are votes from me they are quotes from galain and Meanas.

So in conclusion for the above post. Lio looks suspect for being a low poster, increasing his posts and going after low posters. Emur and Meanas look suspect for providing no content. Galain looks suspect for flash voting Karosis and movi9ng onto Spite.

Still getting caught up.

Gonna reply to this post rather than the other one to avoid more confusion.

Of the three you analyzed, i'm very suspicious of emurlahn, but i'm somewhat hesitant to follow up on a day 1 target without closer analyzation. I will do so once i'm off the phone, will be a while. I want to take a look at some of the players i am most suspicious of in relation to the lynch train.

The signaling bit is lame. Joke voting. The equivalent of a fener vote, then a vote against spite just to piss him off after he called my fener vote useless and annoying or something of the sort. When i'm at a computer i catch up all in 1 post, to avoid post padding. So those easily could have been seperate posts.
Be back in a while.

He would go for an Emurlahn lynch but doesn't see anything in Lio or Karosis. He is downplaying his signal, calling it joke voting. Then what is the point, why Karosis rather than anyone else? When have we said Karosis is the new Fener? How many games has he come up scum?

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Galain, on 05 September 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

LOL. Caught up to my post,i promise that was before i read that other people caught the same thing i did.

I don't think Emurlahn would be a bad bet, but i'm definitely more interested in the mockra/korvalain connection at the moment.

Why do you think Galain has to justify his observation here?

Because of the exact thing you just did, meany face. In my posting from my phone, i was the first to vote him. But in reality i was third or fourth, so it looked like i was jumping on the bandwagon. I dont expect you to believe me, really, but its true. I refuse to lie about things related to real life in mafia. Being on my phone makes me have to post as i catch up because i cant copy paste.

See this is the post that makes me feel like he was listening to Liosan and voting for the same reason. I point out that I wasn't symping Mockra and Lio said that maybe someone would find it as symping. Then Galain comes on and uses it as his excuse to vote.

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 September 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

And back. Just waking up.

Korv, your whole gripe on me about not posting enough 'content' is bullshit. Is it ok with you if I take a few hours here and there during the game to get some work done or god forbid sleep?

I did however like your case on emur. Without the benefit of coffee yet, Emur and Osseric both are standing out for me for their lack of content, and Sorrit for defending low posters. Someone else pointed out Meanas who has managed to totally stay under the radar. Anyway, I need more caffeine, and want to look at the players again.

What? Near the start of the game you didn't. That spat between you and karosis early on can be seen as distancing cause there wasn't anything substantial in it. The way Galain is behaving points fingers at both you and Karosis for me. That post about one arguing about me symping Mockra was off, then Galain uses it as his reasoning for a Mockra vote AND then he says he didn't read what others had said, "he promises".

Yes Emur, Osseric, and Meanas have scummy play. They do. I am more convinced of you though. I probably won't get the numbers to lynch you because you are a voice of reason, you are one of the higher posters etc.

Cut it out dude. The post made it look very likely that you were symping mockra. Just because you explain something, doesn't make suspicion vanish. I don't really find you that scummy atm, because mockra came up innocent, but this kind of logic is poor imo.

Right Lio here says I have a gripe about no content when that isn't it at all. Yet Rather than continue discussion with him Galain comes on and defends Lio. As you all know we have no information regarding other players or alts, so how is it that Galain is defending Lio? This is what makes me think he is the symp. I just cannot figure out if he is symping Lio or Karosis or both.

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 September 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

14 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote for D'riss: Meanas
8 votes for Mockra: Liosan, Fener, Emurlahn, Korvalain, Spite, Olar Ethil, Karosis, D'riss


Players not voted: Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Osseric, Sorrit

Kristen knew everything about the Plastics. Her favourite fact was that they liked Varsity Blues. But one day she made the mistake of wearing her hair in a ponytail.... for the second time in a week! No Plastic would ever do that!

Mockra is lynched. She was Kristen Hadley and Gwyn Ap Nubb.

It is now night.

Okay, so the internet is out. I'll do my best here, but gonna struggle doing multiple quotes. So I'll just pick this one. It doesn't do anything to make Emurlahn less suspicious, really. He was third (fourth, I think, since I removed) on the train. But along with him at the beginniner are Liosan, Fener, and myself. Liosan is under attack from Korvalain. I don't agree with Korvalain at all, -but- I need to go back and reread his posts just to make sure I'm not missing anything, or going omgus because he accused me. Fener is dead. I am under attack from Korvalain. So of the train starters, he is attacking the two not dead. But he also omits himself, who comes in at 5th on an 8 person train (again, leaving my vote in there). 5th is the tipping point, where the train passes half way. I see some merit in the accusation that Korvalain got Mockra lynched on purpose.

We really have to choose here, Korvalain and Emurlahn are both suspicious, but on polar opposite sides. And they aren't the only two choices, just the two more suspicious in my mind. Korv's insistence that we lynch Emurlahn earlier is actually my primary reason for not voting him. Hm.

Anyway, hopefully the internet will be fixed after work. Will be reading from phone when I can.

See his use of under attack. What is this? He also conveniently has left Karosis out of each of his posts.

I am concerned with Galain's play. I think we have a killer in at least one of Lio or Karosis and my gut is saying it is the latter.

Remove Vote

Vote Karosis

[Korvalain]

That last bit is to mean that I am not just attacking Lio I am making a case which involves all three of them and Galain's dodgy play. Maybe Lio is caught up in it all and that is Galain's plan. So I am going for Karosis as others have also found him scummy.

[Karosis]

Have just woken up going to catch up now

[Korbas]

just woke up and read through.

I really don't like like Olar's I would vote for me post, it just raises alarm bells in my head. sarcasm aside it just sounds like something scum would do to try and make themselves look like a martyr. But I wouldn't of expected it until after a few more votes on Olar

Spites jumping vote is pretty strange, but Im prepared to leave it for now, the fact is Sorrit did start posting more content ( something a lot more of us should start doing me included ) and the best way to get low posters to talk is to lay down a vote.

What I don't like about spite is the reasons he gave for his targets, saying he is going for low posters then saying its a bad idea to lynch low posters then going back to them.

I am getting lost town from spite now tho, I cant see scum dropping votes every which way...

[Karosis]

Ok looking back, im not sure how im meant to defend against Korv's case as it seems to be almost entirely based on other people's actions rather than my own and i obviously cant speak for their motivations.

The other person mentioned while i was away is Spite, and looking at Sorrit's case he definitely like he's being very inconsistent and just throwing stuff out at the low posters without really trying to ruffle feather's. Combined with the post yesterday which made it seem like he was in a hurry to get it to night i feel like this might be a reasonable case.

So while im still suspicious of Emur and will gladly switch back, for now

Remove vote


Vote Spite

[Karosis]

Korbas, on 07 September 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

just woke up and read through.

I really don't like like Olar's I would vote for me post, it just raises alarm bells in my head. sarcasm aside it just sounds like something scum would do to try and make themselves look like a martyr. But I wouldn't of expected it until after a few more votes on Olar

that is a good point, in my experience it is usually scum who try the self voting trick, but im just not really getting a scum vibe from Olar he seems too antagonistic at the moment, but i agree that matyring stuff is definitely worth noting

[Karosis]

Noone around? By my reckoning we've only got around 3 hours left of the day. Ive got just over an hour left before i go to work, can we get some discussion going please or we might miss the lynch.

[Karosis]

oh come on Seems like i can only get on at dead times :S