[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 19 hours 23 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 vote Emurlahn: Karosis
1 vote Liosan: Korvalain
1 vote Sorrit: Spite

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit

[Olar Ethil]

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

I'm doing a bit of review, but I'm not getting much insight here

Seriously? you need to come up with something or ask for a modkill in my opinion. If you don't have any opinions at this point, I wonder if you understand mafia at all.

[Osseric]

Olar Ethil, on 06 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

I'm doing a bit of review, but I'm not getting much insight here

Seriously? you need to come up with something or ask for a modkill in my opinion. If you don't have any opinions at this point, I wonder if you understand mafia at all.

thanks, coach - c'mon put me in the game


seriously

[Olar Ethil]

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 06 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

I'm doing a bit of review, but I'm not getting much insight here

Seriously? you need to come up with something or ask for a modkill in my opinion. If you don't have any opinions at this point, I wonder if you understand mafia at all.

thanks, coach - c'mon put me in the game


seriously

Ummm, you still haven't offered an opinion. It's been 50-ish hours of play, well over 300 posts and you have precisely nothing to say about it. WTF are you doing? Because you're not playing mafia

[Osseric]

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

[Olar Ethil]

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

Interesting that this is your first mention of this idea that Karosis and I were faking our little scrap and you claim an inability to 'shake the feeling', implying that you've had this feeling for some time now - why not mention it before? Anyway, that's cool. You know what? I agree with you - I'm pretty sure that one of me and Karosis is on the wrong side, perhaps even both of us. Chasing low posters has gotten boring as well. So, I heard that it's now possible to vote for oneself yes? I'll be more than happy to vote for myself if needed but for now, I'm going to

vote Karosis

[Karosis]

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

I will point out that that happened because Olar is an obnoxious person Im not sure he's faking it

After my reread and Olar's summarizing i dont see any reason to move my vote off Emurlahn although Korbas, Osseric and Sorrit are also notable in that theirs not really anything noteworthy that any of them have done, but i picked Emurlahn first and he has his panicky defense post that i still haven't seen a good reason for.

On Korvs case about me and Liosan it seems to be based on the fact that i speculated about him when i was trying to get some speculation going at the start of the game. If you look back then there really wasnt a lot to go on so Liosans post was actually one of the most suspicious actions at that point.

[Karosis]

Ok it seems not a lot of people are around now. If noone pops on soon then il probably go to bed then post more in the morning before work.

[Karosis]

ok night night people see you in the morning

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 06 September 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

I will point out that that happened because Olar is an obnoxious person Im not sure he's faking it

After my reread and Olar's summarizing i dont see any reason to move my vote off Emurlahn although Korbas, Osseric and Sorrit are also notable in that theirs not really anything noteworthy that any of them have done, but i picked Emurlahn first and he has his panicky defense post that i still haven't seen a good reason for.

On Korvs case about me and Liosan it seems to be based on the fact that i speculated about him when i was trying to get some speculation going at the start of the game. If you look back then there really wasnt a lot to go on so Liosans post was actually one of the most suspicious actions at that point.

Panicky? And here I was so going for warm and brilliant. I'm sorry if my post came across negatively to you or anyone, but there's nothing I can do about that, now. As for the rest of my suspicious behavior being attributed to low content, there's no real defense for that, either.

All I can say is that you guys are barking up the wrong tree with me, but I guess you'll have that in mafia.

My only two thoughts at the moment are on Galain and Korv, both of whom withdrew their votes on Mockra when he first reached L-1 or so. Korv has been spastic as hell, but I'm not sure if that makes him guilty, just odd. Galain pulling his vote made me think of him not wanting to be one of the final votes in Mockras coffin, because if he's a killer, then he knew Mockra as innocent. I didn't know if he was innocent or scum, but I would have still had no reservations in hammering the crap out of his butt, yesterday. It seemed like a good case to me, and I didn't like Galain's last minute hesitancy.

vote Galain

[Galain]

Probably last time I'll be on tonight.

I withdrew because it's standard mafia practice not to keep someone at L-1, to avoid accidental hammering.

I was third on the train anyway, and promised to be around before time out to place it back.

Steps for you to follow:

1. Read the thread
2. dont omgus (at least not so obvious)
3. read the thread
4. uninstall
5. cry

[Galain]

Olar Ethil, on 06 September 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

Interesting that this is your first mention of this idea that Karosis and I were faking our little scrap and you claim an inability to 'shake the feeling', implying that you've had this feeling for some time now - why not mention it before? Anyway, that's cool. You know what? I agree with you - I'm pretty sure that one of me and Karosis is on the wrong side, perhaps even both of us. Chasing low posters has gotten boring as well. So, I heard that it's now possible to vote for oneself yes? I'll be more than happy to vote for myself if needed but for now, I'm going to

vote Karosis

I can't make sense of this post. Am I the only one?

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Probably last time I'll be on tonight.

I withdrew because it's standard mafia practice not to keep someone at L-1, to avoid accidental hammering.

I was third on the train anyway, and promised to be around before time out to place it back.

Steps for you to follow:

1. Read the thread
2. dont omgus (at least not so obvious)
3. read the thread
4. uninstall
5. cry

Very mature, but then again, it is Mafia. I stand by the fact that I found your vote removal, in particular, suspicious, regardless of which order in the train you were, and this nonsense about 'standard mafia practice' is so full of shit. You say you were 3rd or 4th on the Mockra train, yet felt the need to remove when he got to L-1.

I also happen to know damn well that pulling back, and thus moving someone from L-1 is viable in SOME scenarios, but it's not 'standard mafia practice' to ALWAYS remove votes anytime a lynch target hits L-1.
This was not one of the times in which it was required. Mockra wasn't talking, and a few hours isn't exactly a long amount of time. Moreover, it's more common for someone who was the person to put the victim at L-1 or L-2 to be the ones to then change their minds shortly thereafter, and remove their vote IF THEY BECAME UNSURE.

You voted 3rd or 4th. If you weren't voting with the intention of lynching, then why vote? Maybe you just wanted to appear like you were being involved, maybe you weren't. It doesn't matter, what matters is that when Mockra was about to finally be lynched, which you seemed to have wanted to happen, because you know, you voted for him and stuff, you removed your vote. Like I said, only scum knows who is innocent, and it's possible that you didn't want to be on the lynch train of an innocent player all of a sudden. It's not like you replaced your vote, even though you had plenty of time.

I'm not saying this is a dead solid case against you, but it IS suspicions to me, and rightly so. It COULD just be a normal behaviour that came across as suspicios, but this is as good as cases are going right now. The exact same things could be said of your suspicions of me, which in my eyes is plain stupid because my first few posts were just me entering the game, and saying hello. I can't go back and change my posts and place more content in them, but it's horrible that I'm even being looked at as scummy based on such harmless posts.

So in summary, keep the pissy attitude to yourself. It was severely unnecessary just because I felt your vote removal was suspicious, especially when you're suspicions on me are equally small. That failed attempt to look superior,.especially when incorrectly alluding to nonexistent 'mafia practices', just made you look like an asshole. Congratulations, we can now officially stop being intelligent and civil, and move straight to pissy and rude.

Edit - 'pissy' was auto corrected to something else, thus fixed.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 07 September 2012 - 12:16 AM

[Sorrit]

Spite, on 06 September 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'm back.
I'm gonna vote Sorrit on grounds of low posting/move your lazy ass and give us some opinions .

Vote Sorrit.

I chose Sorrit because he was the most suspicious one. low posting big posts and pretending to post content.

Look, I explained that I had had a busy day at work, and then I went to bed. I've been posting content, defending myself and sharing my opinions. If you're only seeing what you want to see, that's your problem, and I'm not going to artificially inflate my post count to please you or anyone else. You're wasting your time chasing low posters when you could actually be using the information given to us by yesterday's voting.

[Osseric]

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 06 September 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

Interesting that this is your first mention of this idea that Karosis and I were faking our little scrap and you claim an inability to 'shake the feeling', implying that you've had this feeling for some time now - why not mention it before? Anyway, that's cool. You know what? I agree with you - I'm pretty sure that one of me and Karosis is on the wrong side, perhaps even both of us. Chasing low posters has gotten boring as well. So, I heard that it's now possible to vote for oneself yes? I'll be more than happy to vote for myself if needed but for now, I'm going to

vote Karosis

I can't make sense of this post. Am I the only one?

There is something weird here, maybe the tone

@Olar Ethil - Somebody else mentioned it and it didn't get much attention, it was more significant as I reread it. So I did mention it. You go on to say you and Karosis might be scum? Is this supposed to be a reminder that everyone is suspect? I don't know if you're invoking a strategem beyond my experience, but your next three sentences are at odds with your general play so far. I will agree chasing low posters can be boring. Why even bring up the self-vote, as I think you should not do so unless it was required for victory, and is certainly not in the line of conversation. Please explain

[Sorrit]

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

I don't understand where this idea that the agrument was staged is coming from. Spite and now Osseric have floated 'feelings' and 'thoughts' on the matter, but nothing suggests to me that that argument was staged. Have you seen any other evidence that suggests OE and Karo are paired, or are scum? Because otherwise this is just baseless speculation. Spite didn't answer when I questioned him about it.

[Sorrit]

Osseric, on 07 September 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 06 September 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

Interesting that this is your first mention of this idea that Karosis and I were faking our little scrap and you claim an inability to 'shake the feeling', implying that you've had this feeling for some time now - why not mention it before? Anyway, that's cool. You know what? I agree with you - I'm pretty sure that one of me and Karosis is on the wrong side, perhaps even both of us. Chasing low posters has gotten boring as well. So, I heard that it's now possible to vote for oneself yes? I'll be more than happy to vote for myself if needed but for now, I'm going to

vote Karosis

I can't make sense of this post. Am I the only one?

There is something weird here, maybe the tone

@Olar Ethil - Somebody else mentioned it and it didn't get much attention, it was more significant as I reread it. So I did mention it. You go on to say you and Karosis might be scum? Is this supposed to be a reminder that everyone is suspect? I don't know if you're invoking a strategem beyond my experience, but your next three sentences are at odds with your general play so far. I will agree chasing low posters can be boring. Why even bring up the self-vote, as I think you should not do so unless it was required for victory, and is certainly not in the line of conversation. Please explain

I think the tone here is bleeding sarcasm...

[Spite]

Sorrit, on 07 September 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

I don't understand where this idea that the agrument was staged is coming from. Spite and now Osseric have floated 'feelings' and 'thoughts' on the matter, but nothing suggests to me that that argument was staged. Have you seen any other evidence that suggests OE and Karo are paired, or are scum? Because otherwise this is just baseless speculation. Spite didn't answer when I questioned him about it.

When?
Quote please.

The answer is, that argument felt ridiculously shitty to me .40 posts of OMGUS just because of a reading fail?

Edit: changed 140 to 40 .

This post has been edited by Spite: 07 September 2012 - 01:33 AM

[Sorrit]

Emurlahn, on 06 September 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Karosis, on 06 September 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

actually I have been reading the previous 324 posts trying to do just that, but this pesky occupation has other plans

I can't shake the feeling that somehow the spat with OE & Karo was somehow fake-ish, or staged. It just doesn't feel authentic. Someone (Spite?) said it could have been distancing, and that could be true. Perhaps making some distance between partners while creating a history that will keep them from seeming to avoid interaction, standard killer partner strategy.

I will point out that that happened because Olar is an obnoxious person Im not sure he's faking it

After my reread and Olar's summarizing i dont see any reason to move my vote off Emurlahn although Korbas, Osseric and Sorrit are also notable in that theirs not really anything noteworthy that any of them have done, but i picked Emurlahn first and he has his panicky defense post that i still haven't seen a good reason for.

On Korvs case about me and Liosan it seems to be based on the fact that i speculated about him when i was trying to get some speculation going at the start of the game. If you look back then there really wasnt a lot to go on so Liosans post was actually one of the most suspicious actions at that point.

Panicky? And here I was so going for warm and brilliant. I'm sorry if my post came across negatively to you or anyone, but there's nothing I can do about that, now. As for the rest of my suspicious behavior being attributed to low content, there's no real defense for that, either.

All I can say is that you guys are barking up the wrong tree with me, but I guess you'll have that in mafia.

My only two thoughts at the moment are on Galain and Korv, both of whom withdrew their votes on Mockra when he first reached L-1 or so. Korv has been spastic as hell, but I'm not sure if that makes him guilty, just odd. Galain pulling his vote made me think of him not wanting to be one of the final votes in Mockras coffin, because if he's a killer, then he knew Mockra as innocent. I didn't know if he was innocent or scum, but I would have still had no reservations in hammering the crap out of his butt, yesterday. It seemed like a good case to me, and I didn't like Galain's last minute hesitancy.

vote Galain

This makes no sense to me. If Galain is a killer, and knew that Mockra was innocent, he would have no compunction about getting Mockra lynched. Removing his vote brought more attention to him. If he had left his vote where it was , then suspicion would have landed on the later voters, particularly those who put Mockra at L-1 and hammered.

Also, your point that Galain didn't want to be one of the final votes is flawed. Before he pulled it Galain's vote was third on the train, not anywhere near the end.

[Meanas]

Emurlahn, on 07 September 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 September 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Probably last time I'll be on tonight.

I withdrew because it's standard mafia practice not to keep someone at L-1, to avoid accidental hammering.

I was third on the train anyway, and promised to be around before time out to place it back.

Steps for you to follow:

1. Read the thread
2. dont omgus (at least not so obvious)
3. read the thread
4. uninstall
5. cry

Very mature, but then again, it is Mafia. I stand by the fact that I found your vote removal, in particular, suspicious, regardless of which order in the train you were, and this nonsense about 'standard mafia practice' is so full of shit. You say you were 3rd or 4th on the Mockra train, yet felt the need to remove when he got to L-1.

I also happen to know damn well that pulling back, and thus moving someone from L-1 is viable in SOME scenarios, but it's not 'standard mafia practice' to ALWAYS remove votes anytime a lynch target hits L-1.
This was not one of the times in which it was required. Mockra wasn't talking, and a few hours isn't exactly a long amount of time. Moreover, it's more common for someone who was the person to put the victim at L-1 or L-2 to be the ones to then change their minds shortly thereafter, and remove their vote IF THEY BECAME UNSURE.

You voted 3rd or 4th. If you weren't voting with the intention of lynching, then why vote? Maybe you just wanted to appear like you were being involved, maybe you weren't. It doesn't matter, what matters is that when Mockra was about to finally be lynched, which you seemed to have wanted to happen, because you know, you voted for him and stuff, you removed your vote. Like I said, only scum knows who is innocent, and it's possible that you didn't want to be on the lynch train of an innocent player all of a sudden. It's not like you replaced your vote, even though you had plenty of time.

I'm not saying this is a dead solid case against you, but it IS suspicions to me, and rightly so. It COULD just be a normal behaviour that came across as suspicios, but this is as good as cases are going right now. The exact same things could be said of your suspicions of me, which in my eyes is plain stupid because my first few posts were just me entering the game, and saying hello. I can't go back and change my posts and place more content in them, but it's horrible that I'm even being looked at as scummy based on such harmless posts.

So in summary, keep the pissy attitude to yourself. It was severely unnecessary just because I felt your vote removal was suspicious, especially when you're suspicions on me are equally small. That failed attempt to look superior,.especially when incorrectly alluding to nonexistent 'mafia practices', just made you look like an asshole. Congratulations, we can now officially stop being intelligent and civil, and move straight to pissy and rude.

Edit - 'pissy' was auto corrected to something else, thus fixed.

Wow. Somebody doesn't like lists.

On all of the things to be suspicious about, you choose this? He just removed his vote so somebody wouldn't lynch Mockra before he had a chance to say something. It's pretty standard Mafia practice.

Also, don't get all mad when somebody says something that makes you feel bad about yourself. Remember, it's just a game. Being immature and rude is part of the fun.

You ass.