[Telas]

Liosan hopped right on the train against Atrahal when he could have just as easily pushed against you or even made another case elsewhere. Your case wasn't necessarily going to get Atrahal lynched, and his insistence Atrahal is scum seems a little premature / unnecessary for distancing.

edit: @ Telas

This post has been edited by Telas: 02 August 2012 - 01:09 AM

[Tellan]

Alting is a fun game, but I prefer to ignore it for a lot of people. it makes me overthink things.




And I don't ALWAYS get mad. Just when ya'll are douches. The past few games have been anger filled, but that doesn't define me. Usually high as fuck post count defines me the most. Khell is the same way. The post quality and team killing tendencies are what differentiates us the most.

[Sorrit]

If Tellan is scum, who do we hit next as his partner. If he's not, which two people do we think it is then?

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 02 August 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Well. You could be right, Telas. Now, I'm not saying I think this, because I believe its Tellan and someone, but if we are wrong about Tellan, then who would it be? I'd like us to think it all the way to Dday before we choose.

Please follow this line of thought. If it's not me, who? I'm not saying my Atrahal case is perfect. Maybe you can find something better. Because if you lynch me, you have to get it right tomorrow.

[Telas]

Hmm. Let me think about that a minute.

[Rashan]

Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Rashan, please don't put Atrahal at L-1, at least just yet.

I won't put down my vote until the end of day. I'm not sure about voting Tellen, while he's been on a sliding scale of who I think is scum all game, I'm not convinced. I'll have to go back and look at the case against Atrahal again, and decide which one I think is the most likely. If Tellen is scum, that makes Kaschan his partner (for me, obviously you aren't necessarily going to believe me). If Atrahal is scum that makes Lio his partner which makes the vote that Lio has on Atrahal really weird. Although I wouldn't dismiss ballsy play by scum at this point, it's getting really close to D-Day.

[Sorrit]

How about this. I'm going to charge my phone for 5 to 10, and eat quickly. Then we really should try and decide. I DON'T LIKE that Kaschan hasn't told us his potential vote. I sort of see the point you made, Telas, yet could see other town not seeing it. Some minds just don't think alike. I was really waiting for Kaschan and Rashan to give us more. The more info we get from everyone before this Lynch, the more we have tomorow if its DDay. See what i mean ? We need to ask all the right questions now, like its already Dday.

[Tellan]

I'll put my rambly thoughts out there in case you do off me.

Kaschan is PI
Sorrit is probably inno. If he doesnt turn out inno I'm going to lynch/vig him every game he plays because I just can't tell with his style.


if Atrahal is scum, Telas is his partner.
If atrahal is scum, Liosan is his partner.

If Rashan is scum, Telas is his partner.
If Rashan is scum, Liosan is his partner.



Now I'm realizing I don't have a good handle on this. eh.

[Sorrit]

Just don't wait too long. If we DON'T Lynch, it goes from 5 2 to 4 2. Tomorow would still be Dday, yet we lose a chance at killing a scum tonight.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 2 hours and 41 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Atrahal ( Tellan, Liosan )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Telas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Rashan, Sorrit

[Telas]

Okay.


If we lynch Tellan, and he CFs inno, then Kalse had to have been fake-symping. Otherwise he would have just let Tellan die. That reasoning seems rock-solid to me, unless we consider that Kalse made a huge error in judgment--but if we do that there are so many possibilities we can't even use this method of reasoning to find our scum.

So, if he was fake-symping Tellan, but deflecting for Rashan---why not just let Tellan die? I don't think this was the case.
If he was fake-symping both---Rashan is PI. Kaschan is PI. Here is the original, unedited thought-vomit I had when exploring the possibility in a PM to SH:

Quote

2 among Sorrit, Liosan, Atrahal -- Atrahal doesn't find this case plausible. Liosan seems to have bought into Sorrit's "CF finder" bit, which I still think is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe things have changed since when I played a lot, but I don't remember ability CFs EVER happening, even in high-TMDI games, let alone M&P. This makes me find both Sorrit and Liosan suspicious. The fact Sorrit wanted to push a lynch Kalse so aggressively seems to PI him, but he has sown so much confusion I think that scumminess outweighs any innoness that action tells me. Especially since confirming the Kalse reveal on non-d-day is mafia 101, so it seemed like a very easy way to distance oneself from someone you know is your symp, especially since you know that he fucked up on the timing. Liosan has been voting Atrahal all game, even though Atrahal has never really been the target of a train until now. So:Sorrit + Liosan -- they've agreed, and both have stated a willingness lynch Atrahal.
Atrahal + Liosan -- for some reason my gut makes me think these 2 are scummy, but Liosan has been so against Atrahal all game I don't think this is a likely possibility.
Sorrit + Atrahal -- Contrary to his expressed willingness to lynch Atrahal, Sorrit still finds me more suspicious and is still pushing a Tellan lynch. Either town play against someone he thinks is a more probable scum, or deflection. Atrahal pointed out the blatant hole in Sorrit's "we need to lynch Sorrit" bit and was with me in arguing against that stupid point. Also unlikely.
So, Sorrit Liosan is the most likely combination in this scenario I think.

So, if Tellan CFs town, I'd guess Sorrit / Liosan. Sorrit doesn't appear to have any evidence related to Kalse that makes him strongly inno the way Liosan does (the L-1 bit), so without knowing who the NK is (I'd guess Kaschan or Rashan since they are PI in this scenario) for now I would say Sorrit.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, why aren't you voting me?

[Tellan]

Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Okay.


If we lynch Tellan, and he CFs inno, then Kalse had to have been fake-symping. Otherwise he would have just let Tellan die. That reasoning seems rock-solid to me, unless we consider that Kalse made a huge error in judgment--but if we do that there are so many possibilities we can't even use this method of reasoning to find our scum.

So, if he was fake-symping Tellan, but deflecting for Rashan---why not just let Tellan die? I don't think this was the case.
If he was fake-symping both---Rashan is PI. Kaschan is PI. Here is the original, unedited thought-vomit I had when exploring the possibility in a PM to SH:

Quote

2 among Sorrit, Liosan, Atrahal -- Atrahal doesn't find this case plausible. Liosan seems to have bought into Sorrit's "CF finder" bit, which I still think is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe things have changed since when I played a lot, but I don't remember ability CFs EVER happening, even in high-TMDI games, let alone M&P. This makes me find both Sorrit and Liosan suspicious. The fact Sorrit wanted to push a lynch Kalse so aggressively seems to PI him, but he has sown so much confusion I think that scumminess outweighs any innoness that action tells me. Especially since confirming the Kalse reveal on non-d-day is mafia 101, so it seemed like a very easy way to distance oneself from someone you know is your symp, especially since you know that he fucked up on the timing. Liosan has been voting Atrahal all game, even though Atrahal has never really been the target of a train until now. So:Sorrit + Liosan -- they've agreed, and both have stated a willingness lynch Atrahal.
Atrahal + Liosan -- for some reason my gut makes me think these 2 are scummy, but Liosan has been so against Atrahal all game I don't think this is a likely possibility.
Sorrit + Atrahal -- Contrary to his expressed willingness to lynch Atrahal, Sorrit still finds me more suspicious and is still pushing a Tellan lynch. Either town play against someone he thinks is a more probable scum, or deflection. Atrahal pointed out the blatant hole in Sorrit's "we need to lynch Sorrit" bit and was with me in arguing against that stupid point. Also unlikely.
So, Sorrit Liosan is the most likely combination in this scenario I think.

So, if Tellan CFs town, I'd guess Sorrit / Liosan. Sorrit doesn't appear to have any evidence related to Kalse that makes him strongly inno the way Liosan does (the L-1 bit), so without knowing who the NK is (I'd guess Kaschan or Rashan since they are PI in this scenario) for now I would say Sorrit.

Really? Both of your scenarios have Atrahal as likely scum, yet you don't think he would be the better lynch in event of my inno CF? That doesn't seem right.

[Telas]

Whew. My brain needs a break. Gonna go watch tv, or the olympics, or something.

Off topic: Did anyone else watch the 77kg men's weightlifting? Both Lu's are fuckin nuts!! Putting 2.5x your bodyweight overhead when you half-tore a major tendon in your elbow (a tendon I strained a bit myself just yesterday doing the exact same fuckin lift, with less weight)?!?!? And he took silver in the process, that is a true champion.

[Telas]

Tellan, on 02 August 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Okay.


If we lynch Tellan, and he CFs inno, then Kalse had to have been fake-symping. Otherwise he would have just let Tellan die. That reasoning seems rock-solid to me, unless we consider that Kalse made a huge error in judgment--but if we do that there are so many possibilities we can't even use this method of reasoning to find our scum.

So, if he was fake-symping Tellan, but deflecting for Rashan---why not just let Tellan die? I don't think this was the case.
If he was fake-symping both---Rashan is PI. Kaschan is PI. Here is the original, unedited thought-vomit I had when exploring the possibility in a PM to SH:

Quote

2 among Sorrit, Liosan, Atrahal -- Atrahal doesn't find this case plausible. Liosan seems to have bought into Sorrit's "CF finder" bit, which I still think is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe things have changed since when I played a lot, but I don't remember ability CFs EVER happening, even in high-TMDI games, let alone M&P. This makes me find both Sorrit and Liosan suspicious. The fact Sorrit wanted to push a lynch Kalse so aggressively seems to PI him, but he has sown so much confusion I think that scumminess outweighs any innoness that action tells me. Especially since confirming the Kalse reveal on non-d-day is mafia 101, so it seemed like a very easy way to distance oneself from someone you know is your symp, especially since you know that he fucked up on the timing. Liosan has been voting Atrahal all game, even though Atrahal has never really been the target of a train until now. So:Sorrit + Liosan -- they've agreed, and both have stated a willingness lynch Atrahal.
Atrahal + Liosan -- for some reason my gut makes me think these 2 are scummy, but Liosan has been so against Atrahal all game I don't think this is a likely possibility.
Sorrit + Atrahal -- Contrary to his expressed willingness to lynch Atrahal, Sorrit still finds me more suspicious and is still pushing a Tellan lynch. Either town play against someone he thinks is a more probable scum, or deflection. Atrahal pointed out the blatant hole in Sorrit's "we need to lynch Sorrit" bit and was with me in arguing against that stupid point. Also unlikely.
So, Sorrit Liosan is the most likely combination in this scenario I think.

So, if Tellan CFs town, I'd guess Sorrit / Liosan. Sorrit doesn't appear to have any evidence related to Kalse that makes him strongly inno the way Liosan does (the L-1 bit), so without knowing who the NK is (I'd guess Kaschan or Rashan since they are PI in this scenario) for now I would say Sorrit.

Really? Both of your scenarios have Atrahal as likely scum, yet you don't think he would be the better lynch in event of my inno CF? That doesn't seem right.

Read my comments afterward. Like I said, it was unedited from my rambling speculation to SH.

[Tellan]

That doesn't answer my question, really.

You find Liosan and Sorrit the most suspicious.

But you have Atrahal down as both of their partner's. Why would you not go for that lynch? Seems a higher probability of hitting scum.



edit: fixed a word

This post has been edited by Tellan: 02 August 2012 - 01:41 AM

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 02 August 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

I'll put my rambly thoughts out there in case you do off me.

Kaschan is PI
Sorrit is probably inno. If he doesnt turn out inno I'm going to lynch/vig him every game he plays because I just can't tell with his style.


if Atrahal is scum, Telas is his partner.
If atrahal is scum, Liosan is his partner.

If Rashan is scum, Telas is his partner.
If Rashan is scum, Liosan is his partner.



Now I'm realizing I don't have a good handle on this. eh.

Don't feel bad, I have a sheet of paper with a combination of two names I could see being both scum.

It ended up being every possible combination I believe. I really, really think Kalse fucked you though, Tellan. I can't see him not letting you get lynched if you were town. It's not your own action, so I know that sucks. I just think he fucked up his fake symp routine. It so incriminates you. Not the fake symp kind of way, either. The, if you're town, why stop your Lynch, just to fake symp you to die anyway? It sucks. You've so sounded town lately, yet I feel I can't risk it. I'm torn. So torn. I don't want to screw this Lynch. Going in tonite needing to know both scum or lose wouldn't be good for my nerves. My brain is already spinning in fn circles.

[Kaschan]

ok, I'm here - I've got an hour or so to play with no work interruptions before I crash into sweet slumber

I'm going to read up (backwards like somebody said earlier)

[Tellan]

Well niht times out in 2 hours, so good timing.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 02 August 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Sorrit, why aren't you voting me?

I plan on voting you. I still think finding out who Kaschan wants to Lynch is valuable information if he is supposedly our most trusted town.

vote Tellan

Sorry, broski. Blame Kalse. It seems rock solid to me. Why, except for screwing up, would he not lynch you, or allow you to get lynched, if you're town? Plus, why fake symp someone we were already lynching anyway.