[Sorrit]

Where are you leaning Telas? Only Tellan and Liosan have their cases built. 5 not voted, yet. I swear if Rashan and Kaschan don't get on, participate, and above all, VOTE, then they're going to piss me off. It was ok these last days. We need their participation more, now.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 02 August 2012 - 12:15 AM

[Rashan]

totally didn't post out of alt there...
Back and reading up. After sleeping on it I'm pretty determined to put my vote on Atrahal, but will wait until I've caught up. I'm working so this may take a while.

[Telas]

I am building a case.

[Sorrit]

 Rashan, on 02 August 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

totally didn't post out of alt there...
Back and reading up. After sleeping on it I'm pretty determined to put my vote on Atrahal, but will wait until I've caught up. I'm working so this may take a while.

X-post. Ignore above, Rashan. Glad you're here.

[Telas]

Rashan, please don't put Atrahal at L-1, at least just yet.

[Sorrit]

 Rashan, on 02 August 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

totally didn't post out of alt there...
Back and reading up. After sleeping on it I'm pretty determined to put my vote on Atrahal, but will wait until I've caught up. I'm working so this may take a while.

I doubt anyone hasn't fully alted everyone else by now. I feel confident I've alted all of you. So no biggie. I didn't see it, anyway.

[Telas]

Meh, I don't know any of you guy well enough to alt you. Especially since D'rek and Vengey both died so early.

[Tellan]

I'm too lazy to check who is playing, so I only know the obvious ones.

[Tellan]

 Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Meh, I don't know any of you guy well enough to alt you. Especially since D'rek and Vengey both died so early.

Find my guide on how to find Khell. It works on me as well. But no one wants me dead like we all want Khell dead.

[Telas]

 Tellan, on 02 August 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I'm too lazy to check who is playing, so I only know the obvious ones.

aka me? hahaha

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 3 hours and 25 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Atrahal ( Tellan, Liosan )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Telas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Rashan, Sorrit

[Sorrit]

I had no idea Emur was Drek, and I figured Driss could of been GH, but he could of been a few others to me at that point. Post GH dying, I feel I alted 13 of 13, putting 60, the guy I didn't know, in the last spot left.

Some are just too easy to alt. I alted Tellan soon as they called GH a faggot. ROFL. Tellan always gets pissed in games. I even sent my full alt pm to PS.

[Sorrit]

 Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Rashan, please don't put Atrahal at L-1, at least just yet.

You think atrahal is town?

[Telas]

Okay, in the interest of saving time and being transparent, I want to disclose that the following is paraphrased from my own thought-vomit I sent to SH, only somewhat organized. Keep in mind that I know I am town (you don't so you shouldn't trust me there) so all the theorizing below is made from my perspective.

I think that right now, Atrahal is unlikely scum. If he was scum, it would have to jive with Kalse's actions--which means that:
a.) Tellan or Rashan is Atrahal's partner. Tellan jumped right onto Atrahal right at the start of this day, so I don't see an Atrahal / Tellan pairing making any sense whatsoever. Rashan has also had Atrahal at the top of his list of suspicions as well, albeit he has only said anything relevant to Atrahal at all since he was already at L-2. Nevertheless, I don't think Atrahal's partner would do that--it'd be really ballsy but not in his best interest.
b.) Kalse was fake-symping both Tellan and Rashan, in which case Tellan, Rashan, and Kaschan have to be inno, and the possible partners for Atrahal are Liosan or Sorrit. Liosan is the other vote on the Atrahal train, which didn't have much voting momentum behind it until Liosan voted--if Liosan/Atrahal was the pairing Liosan could have joined the Tellan train. Sorrit has expressed some uncertainty on the Atrahal train, so that is a question mark.

tl;dr: Atrahal probably isn't scum, unless Kalse was fake-symping Tellan and Rashan, and Sorrit is Atrahal's partner. But in that case, then, why would Sorrit have been such a lunatic attacking Kalse (who would be his symp in this case, which sorrit could figure out pretty easily) unless he was preemptively super-distancing? Idk, that seems a bit drastic to me.

I was building a case against Liosan, but our known symp (Kalse) put him to L-1 at the end of day 1 in an x-post with Kaschan, also on Lio. So probably not Lio.

If not Atrahal, if not Lio, then whom? I think Sorrit is more likely inno than scum because he appears pretty forthright and thorough about outlining his thoughts. I think this is a pretty difficult thing to do as scum since it either takes a prodigious memory / lots of notes to keep track of all these manufactured lines of thought; it's more likely that scum are being rather taciturn and generally unhelpful. Furthermore, Sorrit's observation about Kalse just letting Tellan die (that I hadn't thought of and consider pretty insightful) adds to my opinion he is town. That leaves Kaschan, Rashan, and Tellan.

I've been trying to come up with a conclusion on who our scum are through reasoning and the facts, but I'm just confusing the fuck out of myself in the process. So I'm going to go with my gut. Pick any of these 3 and I'm okay with it. I hate how worthless Kaschan has been to town, so if he's inno then it at least sets an example to town not to be so utterly unhelpful in the future (a small consolation prize I suppose). This has some contradiction with the Kalse fake reveal, and the more I think about the fake-symp theory the less I like it--but in any case this would make the pairing Kaschan / Tellan since Tellan was the person to suggest switching to SL from Kaschan (Tennes was second and we know he is inno). It's also interesting that Tellan immediately pointed out that it was a play by Kalse to clear SL. My head hurts a bit, and I seem to remember agreeing with this when I first read it, but could that be a slip? Correct me if I'm wrong here. In any case, if Kaschan is scum, then Tellan is his partner.
Similar for Rashan; his posts tell me very very little about his alignment. I think that if Rashan is scum, then Tellan has to be his partner--if the partnership was Rashan/Kaschan, then Kalse would have just let Tellan get lynched. So Rashan / Tellan -- Rashan just expressed a plan to put Atrahal at L-1. In line with Tellan.....
As for Tellan, well, ther's plenty on Tellan. He could be paired with either, the way I see it.

My guess is Tellan / Rashan are the scum. Tellan / Kaschan is possible but less likely.

In either case...

Vote Tellan

[Telas]

Remove Vote
Vote Tellan

Oops.


@ Sorrit: I thought a lot of the things I said made it obvious based on stuff I said last game. But maybe that's stuff I notice a lot more than people who aren't me haha.

[Sorrit]

I also felt Kalse and Eloth were effortlessly alted. I even made a post calling Kalse new, or old new, referring to Roldy. He was confused enough about certain mechanics to have been away for a while, yet he mentioned BPs and guards, so he at least knew mafia. It's not breaking rules as long as we don't say the names of living players , right?

[Telas]

And I know I initially said I liked the case against Atrahal, but I didn't sit down for a full hour just thinking about it before I came to that initial conclusion.

[Telas]

just over 3 hours to lynch. I am going to bed in about 2 hours and want to be around for night to resolve. Please show up and vote / comment / express your criticisms everyone, so I don't miss the end of day.

[Tellan]

 Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Okay, in the interest of saving time and being transparent, I want to disclose that the following is paraphrased from my own thought-vomit I sent to SH, only somewhat organized. Keep in mind that I know I am town (you don't so you shouldn't trust me there) so all the theorizing below is made from my perspective.

I think that right now, Atrahal is unlikely scum. If he was scum, it would have to jive with Kalse's actions--which means that:
a.) Tellan or Rashan is Atrahal's partner. Tellan jumped right onto Atrahal right at the start of this day, so I don't see an Atrahal / Tellan pairing making any sense whatsoever. Rashan has also had Atrahal at the top of his list of suspicions as well, albeit he has only said anything relevant to Atrahal at all since he was already at L-2. Nevertheless, I don't think Atrahal's partner would do that--it'd be really ballsy but not in his best interest.
b.) Kalse was fake-symping both Tellan and Rashan, in which case Tellan, Rashan, and Kaschan have to be inno, and the possible partners for Atrahal are Liosan or Sorrit. Liosan is the other vote on the Atrahal train, which didn't have much voting momentum behind it until Liosan voted--if Liosan/Atrahal was the pairing Liosan could have joined the Tellan train. Sorrit has expressed some uncertainty on the Atrahal train, so that is a question mark.

tl;dr: Atrahal probably isn't scum, unless Kalse was fake-symping Tellan and Rashan, and Sorrit is Atrahal's partner. But in that case, then, why would Sorrit have been such a lunatic attacking Kalse (who would be his symp in this case, which sorrit could figure out pretty easily) unless he was preemptively super-distancing? Idk, that seems a bit drastic to me.

I was building a case against Liosan, but our known symp (Kalse) put him to L-1 at the end of day 1 in an x-post with Kaschan, also on Lio. So probably not Lio.

If not Atrahal, if not Lio, then whom? I think Sorrit is more likely inno than scum because he appears pretty forthright and thorough about outlining his thoughts. I think this is a pretty difficult thing to do as scum since it either takes a prodigious memory / lots of notes to keep track of all these manufactured lines of thought; it's more likely that scum are being rather taciturn and generally unhelpful. Furthermore, Sorrit's observation about Kalse just letting Tellan die (that I hadn't thought of and consider pretty insightful) adds to my opinion he is town. That leaves Kaschan, Rashan, and Tellan.

I've been trying to come up with a conclusion on who our scum are through reasoning and the facts, but I'm just confusing the fuck out of myself in the process. So I'm going to go with my gut. Pick any of these 3 and I'm okay with it. I hate how worthless Kaschan has been to town, so if he's inno then it at least sets an example to town not to be so utterly unhelpful in the future (a small consolation prize I suppose). This has some contradiction with the Kalse fake reveal, and the more I think about the fake-symp theory the less I like it--but in any case this would make the pairing Kaschan / Tellan since Tellan was the person to suggest switching to SL from Kaschan (Tennes was second and we know he is inno). It's also interesting that Tellan immediately pointed out that it was a play by Kalse to clear SL. My head hurts a bit, and I seem to remember agreeing with this when I first read it, but could that be a slip? Correct me if I'm wrong here. In any case, if Kaschan is scum, then Tellan is his partner.
Similar for Rashan; his posts tell me very very little about his alignment. I think that if Rashan is scum, then Tellan has to be his partner--if the partnership was Rashan/Kaschan, then Kalse would have just let Tellan get lynched. So Rashan / Tellan -- Rashan just expressed a plan to put Atrahal at L-1. In line with Tellan.....
As for Tellan, well, ther's plenty on Tellan. He could be paired with either, the way I see it.

My guess is Tellan / Rashan are the scum. Tellan / Kaschan is possible but less likely.

In either case...

Vote Tellan

Liosan's votes on Atrahal have all been very safe (ie no chance Atrahal would be lynched) until today. That seemed like distancing to me.


I'm not scum, but there's plenty to make you think I am. I've responded to some of this in the past, but some I cannot refute.

[Sorrit]

Well. You could be right, Telas. Now, I'm not saying I think this, because I believe its Tellan and someone, but if we are wrong about Tellan, then who would it be? I'd like us to think it all the way to Dday before we choose.