[Eloth]

This reminds me of how Brujah Convinced everyone while he had CFed scum .




Edit:  Espers game .

This post has been edited by Eloth: 31 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

[Tellan]

No one believes you, Kalse.



Sorrit, stop talking. Your plan relies on Finders CFing as Finder, and no one can guarantee in that. We followed through the way town is expected to when faced with a finder reveal.



I believe we should lynch Kalse tomorrow. The other option would be to look for who he's deflecting from. But Kalse would be a safe lynch to make sure scum is down a member.


It's just strange, this seems more end game than what level we are currently at.

[Tennes]

who? never heard of him

so are we going to lynch Kalse or Kaschan or Tellan or Rashan?

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

If he CFs Inno, Kalse is the symp. And two killers at large. A fair trade for a symp to make.

Had we killed Kalse, and he CFed finder, we win. CFed Inno, we know he's the symp. And at least we killed a symp insted of a town. Stupid move even if he is right.

You're an idiot. What if PS isn't including roles in the CF? Then that leaves us no wiser as to where the scum is hiding.

Really . You guys said if SL CFs Inno, you just kill Kalse. If he's symp he CFs Inno, too. So you lose 3 town for one symps play.

Thank you, drive thru. You've been schooled.

I said nothing at all about lynching Kalse. In fact, I think this play is much more likely to be the work of a symp than scum, in which case there is no point at all in lynching him. We'd be better to look at who he was trying to protect.

[Sorrit]

They'll be only 9 people left after NK. If SL was town, and we lose a town tonight, its 3 scum 6 town. We lynch Kaschan, and he's Inno, its 3 scum 4 town. It is then D day. Lynch town, game over scum wins. Lynch scum, 2 scum 3 town. Lynch scum, 1 scum 2 town. Have to lynch scum 3 straight days now, morons.

Dont leave me alive, killers. I will get all 3 of you.

The three scum, I can't blame you for not listening to me. The rest of you should quit mafia.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

They'll be only 9 people left after NK. If SL was town, and we lose a town tonight, its 3 scum 6 town. We lynch Kaschan, and he's Inno, its 3 scum 4 town. It is then D day. Lynch town, game over scum wins. Lynch scum, 2 scum 3 town. Lynch scum, 1 scum 2 town. Have to lynch scum 3 straight days now, morons.

Dont leave me alive, killers. I will get all 3 of you.

The three scum, I can't blame you for not listening to me. The rest of you should quit mafia.

If he lynch Kalse tomorrow, it will be 2 scum vs 5 town. This gives us another false lynch to d day, which would be 2 scum v 3 town.

Or we can go after who Kalse was deflected from, and if we miss it will be 3 scum vs 4 town. Then we lynch Kalse, and its 2 scum vs 3 town.



So I'm liking the first option more, because it gives us a smaller pool to pick from, almost 50% chance of hitting scum. Unfortunately, this also gives scum a lot of influence on thread.



What do you guys think?

[Kalse]

I think we have lost...

seriously guys kaschan and sl both came back as scum.

and no one is going to believe me and we are going to lose lol

[Sorrit]

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

If he CFs Inno, Kalse is the symp. And two killers at large. A fair trade for a symp to make.

Had we killed Kalse, and he CFed finder, we win. CFed Inno, we know he's the symp. And at least we killed a symp insted of a town. Stupid move even if he is right.

You're an idiot. What if PS isn't including roles in the CF? Then that leaves us no wiser as to where the scum is hiding.

Really . You guys said if SL CFs Inno, you just kill Kalse. If he's symp he CFs Inno, too. So you lose 3 town for one symps play.

Thank you, drive thru. You've been schooled.

I said nothing at all about lynching Kalse. In fact, I think this play is much more likely to be the work of a symp than scum, in which case there is no point at all in lynching him. We'd be better to look at who he was trying to protect.

He practically GAVE you guys a reason why ONE of his scum will CF Inno. What was different about you assuming Kalse WAS a finder, yet MIGHT CF Inno, as opposed to him practically telling you guys one of his SCUM finds might CF Inno. Same boat as if Kalse was CF Inno. Don't bring that over here.

I'm sorry I got ill. It was just stupid, stupid play imo. I'd rather have at least taken a chance at Kalse CFing finder. At least that would of gave us insta win.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

They'll be only 9 people left after NK. If SL was town, and we lose a town tonight, its 3 scum 6 town. We lynch Kaschan, and he's Inno, its 3 scum 4 town. It is then D day. Lynch town, game over scum wins. Lynch scum, 2 scum 3 town. Lynch scum, 1 scum 2 town. Have to lynch scum 3 straight days now, morons.

Dont leave me alive, killers. I will get all 3 of you.

The three scum, I can't blame you for not listening to me. The rest of you should quit mafia.

Who said anything about lynching Kaschan? And we don't have to lynch the symp, just scum. It's not D-day yet, and your fatalistic attitude and insults are not going to help anyone.

[Tellan]

Kalse, on 31 July 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

I think we have lost...

seriously guys kaschan and sl both came back as scum.

and no one is going to believe me and we are going to lose lol

Stop talking. You had your chance.

[Sorrit]

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

They'll be only 9 people left after NK. If SL was town, and we lose a town tonight, its 3 scum 6 town. We lynch Kaschan, and he's Inno, its 3 scum 4 town. It is then D day. Lynch town, game over scum wins. Lynch scum, 2 scum 3 town. Lynch scum, 1 scum 2 town. Have to lynch scum 3 straight days now, morons.

Dont leave me alive, killers. I will get all 3 of you.

The three scum, I can't blame you for not listening to me. The rest of you should quit mafia.

Who said anything about lynching Kaschan? And we don't have to lynch the symp, just scum. It's not D-day yet, and your fatalistic attitude and insults are not going to help anyone.

I already apologized. So you're assuming Kalse IS the symp, them atrahal? And you don't want to kill him?

Classic. Killing the symp helps immensely. Do you think SL was scum or Kalse? If SL, then so is Kaschan. If Kalse is the scum, then kill his ass. Wow, atrahal. Think.

[Sorrit]

The THREE scum votes is what wins it for scum. All they need is to get it to 3 vs 3. In my FATALISTIC scenario, we didn't kill the symp. Killing him improves scum needing a 2 to 2 ratio or 1 to 1 to win.

Kill the symp.

[Sorrit]

If the killers don't kill Kalse, he was def no finder.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

They'll be only 9 people left after NK. If SL was town, and we lose a town tonight, its 3 scum 6 town. We lynch Kaschan, and he's Inno, its 3 scum 4 town. It is then D day. Lynch town, game over scum wins. Lynch scum, 2 scum 3 town. Lynch scum, 1 scum 2 town. Have to lynch scum 3 straight days now, morons.

Dont leave me alive, killers. I will get all 3 of you.

The three scum, I can't blame you for not listening to me. The rest of you should quit mafia.

Who said anything about lynching Kaschan? And we don't have to lynch the symp, just scum. It's not D-day yet, and your fatalistic attitude and insults are not going to help anyone.

I already apologized. So you're assuming Kalse IS the symp, them atrahal? And you don't want to kill him?

Classic. Killing the symp helps immensely. Do you think SL was scum or Kalse? If SL, then so is Kaschan. If Kalse is the scum, then kill his ass. Wow, atrahal. Think.

Dude, your reading comprehension sucks. I think Kalse is the symp. I also think we will waste a day if we lynch him. We need to be finding the killers, not their symp. If we know he is the symp we can use him to find the killers, and if we know he is the symp then we can ignore what he says, and he has no more influence over the game.

Have you ever actually played a Mafia game before? This is not difficult stuff.

[Tellan]

Yes. Obviously we're going to remove Kalse. The question is when. Do it tomorrow, then work with a pool of 7 players, with 2 scum to influence it. This gives us 1 wrong lynch after getting rid of Kalse.



Or we can try to lynch killers first. This will be 3 scum vs 6 town. So 3 scum influence on a pool of 9 players. If we lynch wrong, we go down to 3 scum vs 4 town, at which point we must lynch kalse, which brings us to 2 scum vs 3 players.



So either way we have 1 wrong lynch available.

[Telas]

Jesus, sorrit, you sure are dense.


We lynch Kalse tomorrow, knowing he is the symp (symps never CF scum, that's the definition of symp--so this was a fake reveal)

We will have 3 scum 6 town alive after night resolves. Lynch Kalse, night resolves. 2 scum 5 town. Then we go from there, seeing what forced Kalse to fake reveal so early in the game--clearly we can find it somewhere in the tellan/liosan/rashan circle.

[Sorrit]

Sure. Take your chances. You obviously have it all figured out. Because if you had, you'd have.killed Kalse and not SL. So take your chances at MAYBE getting a killer, or trading a town NK for a THIRD of scums voting power. Have you ever played MATH? I ain't the one.

[Telas]

Are you fucking retarded????

You don't know that finders will CF as finder. If Kalse was just plain "town" in CF, that tells us jack shit about where to go in your scenario.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Jesus, sorrit, you sure are dense.


We lynch Kalse tomorrow, knowing he is the symp (symps never CF scum, that's the definition of symp--so this was a fake reveal)

We will have 3 scum 6 town alive after night resolves. Lynch Kalse, night resolves. 2 scum 5 town. Then we go from there, seeing what forced Kalse to fake reveal so early in the game--clearly we can find it somewhere in the tellan/liosan/rashan circle.

Telas, no shit? I've painted that scenario already. I tried to help AVOID it even going that far. I said with symp alive its 3 to 6. Symp dead is 2 to 5. What do you think me and atrahal are arguing about ?

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Are you fucking retarded????

You don't know that finders will CF as finder. If Kalse was just plain "town" in CF, that tells us jack shit about where to go in your scenario.

It WASN'T JUST ABOUT HIM ACTUALLY BEING A FINDER AND CFING TOWN.

it was that combined with his pm put of nowhere, his saying he had both killers yet didn't know the game would be over if he did, him realizing that and saying he got a pm saying symp CFs scum to finder, SL not voting Kalse

Wait. If SL was innocent, why didn't he want to vote Kalse?

Ok I'm back on the case. Spilled milk is spilled milk. Fuck. Let's figure it out.