[Tennes]

Just read your posts Sorrit. Wow. I have a few things to say on them but first I'll explain my reasoning for finding you and Atrahal more likely town, however, reading your currents posts I'm unsure whether to believe you are town after all. It does look like some kind of sympage, distorting the thread majorly! We cannot look at everyone at once. I like the way you got Rashan to post by voting for him yet you are sowing confusion and just looking at the votes makes my eyes bleed. 1 vote each for four different people. The time will count down. If we don't pull our socks up we'll hand this game to scum.

Emurlahn, on 25 July 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'm more inclined towards Rashan. Who puts that much effort into an avatar and then barely posts? Low-posting scum, that's who!

Vote Rashan

D'rek/Emurlahn makes a good point here. For all those that took their time to change their avatar and get into the spirit of the game and then have low content is bad. I could vote Rashan for this same as Kaschan.

Kaschan, on 26 July 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 July 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

I'm back for a bit.
Liosan, it may have been a weak case, but that's all we can expect from day 1: make weak cases and see how people react.


@Kaschan: When else are we going to hunt for low posters? The game has been running for 24 hours, and everyone was checked in about 12 hours in. Most people were present to at least talk a bit, to put themselves out there. Rashan got voted because, like Liosan explained, he was present at a time of high post volume but didn't contribute much himself beyond checking in. That kind of tactic is good for scum since they can appear to be involved without drawing suspicion (unless we choose to hunt low posters). People who are the forefront of conversations are putting themselves out there; they are explaining their thoughts, so if they are scum it is more probable they will slip. If we let town get away with low-posting, it is easy for scum to hide among them.

As a result, I don't mind lynching low-posters if we need a lynch and have nothing controversial. Lynching low-posters might be a better strategy later in the game, but by that point we also have cases with genuine evidence to consider.

I think the usual time is Day 2 or 3 when trends have begun to develop as to who is not participating and when there are no strong cases to be utilized. It seems like the game just started to me because of time zones, I guess. I won't argue w tih you about the need to post.

At least Kaschan knows he hasn't been very helpful.


Right the reason I pegged Sorrit and Atrahal more likely to be town is because of the Emurlahn lynch fiasco.

D, on 26 July 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Not looking worth the trouble really. grrrrrrrrrrrr.

Tellan is raising my hackles and I don't like Kasch, Sorrit, Rash, and Lio all jumping onto Emur so quickly when there are votes on other people and still many hours to go. I think of those 4, Lio makes me the most nervous, putting Emur at L-1 so carelessly, and dropping her case against you Rash so casually for an even worse case against Emur.

But if someone would like to hammer, by all means, I don't think there's much more to be accomplished here. I will take no part in it however.

I wholeheartedly agree with D'riss' post. It is something I would have posted myself at the time. Looking at this all four are suspect and yet Tellan was the one I focused upon but this post is followed by these two.

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Ok, what? Suddenly everyone is voting for Emur based on nothing at all? AND he's at L-1? I recognise the need for a lynch, but there a few hours left, and with Emur at L-1 we are going to get no otherviable options now.

I'll be around to hammer if needed, but I am not happy with this lynch.

I like this post by Atrahal. It shows he is against the lynch of Emurlahn but he will vote if needed.

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

D'riss, we clearly stated every single thing you've already said. Yes, we're well aware it's not a great case, but SERIOUSLY, what else do we have? Your suggestions are more likely to lead to a no lynch. I could see you stating you trepidation for voting, but your major defiant stance over it is looking suspect, imo.

Not necessarily that you're defending Emurlahn, but more like you seem to be trying to appear a bit TOO tough on a possible town lynch.

If you read the thread, you'd see that really the MAIN reason for choosing Emurlahn looks like it was just the simple fact he had 3 votes, and Rashan only had 1, I believe. We're really just taking a huge shot in the dark with anyone right now. There's no solid case on anyone. You're not suggesting a no lynch, are you? Same question for Atrahal.

If either of you have a better option, let's hear it.

remove vote
Here's time.

Sorrit I liked this post. It makes them both add their thoughts and it gives Emurlahn time to defend themselves.

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

When the mass of voting started there was still 7 hours to go.

With voting this close we now have no other viable lynches, and there is not going to be much more information put on thread because this lynch is assured.

Plus people voting simply to get a lynch does not provide town with a lot of information in the long run.

Another post i'm agreeable with.

So maybe I have town like thoughts towards you Sorrit and Atrahal because early in the game I was agreeable with your posts.

Yet..

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

@Eloth - you insinuated the Finder, if there is one, did a find on Lio or Tellan. That only clears one or the other, even if true. I sort of believed a possible finder would also choose someone getting heat, so they could clear or condemn. It's just as WIFOM that they chose anyone else, thinking we'd lynch those getting heat.

Come on people. It's Day 3. Time to participate.

I and everyone else has seen what Eloth has posted and now he's probably going to be night killed. I am 50 50 here, if you are the finder Eloth then let us know what you've got so far because I don't see you making it another day. If not then the real finder should stay hidden unless they've found at least one scum. If the finder has found one scum then we can lynch him, pushing back D day and forge connections.


I don't like the way Sorrit has been acting over the last few posts, I applaud the amount of posts but he is all over the place.

[Sorrit]

I asked you, why you felt that I, Atrahal, and Telas were ok in your book? You could be a concerned town, but don't single anyone out as 'ok'. You can't trust anyone if you're an RI. I know my innocence, and I have to wonder if you're siding up with the most out-spoken town for less-than-reputable reasons.

Once again, above, you seem to still want to warm to me. I feel itchy by your approval, and more so for ruling 3 others out. I don't know about Telas or Atrahal. I'm not ruling anyone out. I voted Rashan, he came on. I voted you, you came on. I'm feeling people out.

So tell me your case on why me, atrahal, and Telas, for being trustworthy.

Then describe the innocent light of your candle for me, since you so claim to have been the lone light in darkness.

[Tennes]

Telas, on 30 July 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Here's something interesting:

Rashan, Liosan, and Kaschan all have fewer or as many posts as Emurlahn, who was lynched on day 1. Nice job guys!


D'riss initiated the switch to Lio. He CFed town, and operating on the assumption that scum wouldn't kill their symp, we can trust what he was saying before his death.
Tellan switches as well, noting he will switch back to osseric to get a lynch.
Tennes switches to Lio, after thinking the osseric push was derailing from Tellan.
Kaschan asks what the case is on Lio, Shelly tells him to look back a couple pages, he then votes Osseric without explanation.
Osseric votes Lio--he's inno, but it appeared more that the just wanted to save his own skin.
Kalse switches to Lio--puts Lio at L-2.
Atrahal arrives and moves his previous vote on Tellan to Osseric, no explanation.
---Both are L-2 at this stage.
Tellan moves his vote from Lio to Osseric, effectively securing an Osseric lynch.
D'riss switches to hammer.

I think that since D'riss and Osseric both CFed inno, the apparent conclusion is that the people they focused on (Tellan, Liosan) are scum. I disagree. This is very wifom, but I think that scum is trying to point us in their direction--keeping in mind that the cases against both weren't particularly strong, though Tellan's blow-up didn't exactly help. The more interesting thing are the two big swing votes toward Osseric: Kaschan and Atrahal. Neither of them explained their votes, neither of them participated aside from voting, and both disappeared as soon as the lynch took place--infact, Atrahal claimed he preferred a Tellan lynch over an Osseric lynch, but the way I understand it Tellan / Liosan are implicated together, so he shouldn't have had any qualms taking Lio to L-1. Instead, he and Kaschan brought Lio and Osseric to the same number of votes (L-2) rather than securing the lynch on Lio together. Furthermore, both have kept their distance from one another, and both have generally avoided suspicion.

I'm going to do a reread of these two and see what I can come up with.

what did you come up with?

[Sorrit]

About 4 hours people. Need 6 votes. Not looking good.

[Tennes]

Eloth, on 30 July 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Everyone thinks we should lynch Rashan or Kaschan. Now we need to find out who's play is scummy. methinks its Rashan .

I could go with a Rashan lynch. Reading up he doesn't paint a good picture.

[Sorrit]

I'm also thinking we can find at least 1 scum, if not a scum and possible symp by looking at Osseric's Lynch. I can WIFOM this, but I'll just lean one direction, instead. It behooves scum to try not to be on Lynch trains, IMO. Here is where you can WIFOM that. That won't help us. I'll assume they would rather not be on too many innocent Lynch trains IF they can help it. Again, WIFOM alley.

The first Lynch was, for the most part, a fairly standard Lynch.

The second, however my dear Watson, was RUSHED, if there ever was a rush. With less than minutes to go, Osseric's Lynch was secured. The hammer I BELIEVE was D'riss, confirmed town. Here is where the scum wouldn't have been able to just sit on a target, thus being one of the first voters. I believe they would have had to scramble to help secure either the Liosan, or Osseric Lynch. If their both town, scum doesn't care, they just want someone dead. I think we MAY find one scum in those last switch votes.

Looking closer.

edit for spelling.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 31 July 2012 - 07:59 AM

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

I asked you, why you felt that I, Atrahal, and Telas were ok in your book? You could be a concerned town, but don't single anyone out as 'ok'. You can't trust anyone if you're an RI. I know my innocence, and I have to wonder if you're siding up with the most out-spoken town for less-than-reputable reasons.

Once again, above, you seem to still want to warm to me. I feel itchy by your approval, and more so for ruling 3 others out. I don't know about Telas or Atrahal. I'm not ruling anyone out. I voted Rashan, he came on. I voted you, you came on. I'm feeling people out.

So tell me your case on why me, atrahal, and Telas, for being trustworthy.

Then describe the innocent light of your candle for me, since you so claim to have been the lone light in darkness.

Hey now, everyday i'm on at this time or around, go back to day one to find out.

I am less sure of you now as I've said, or thought I have said, did I not make it clear? I know where you are coming from, I feel that way about Rashan defending me.

I was speaking to Tellan and Eloth yesterday. I couldn't speak to everyone else because they weren't there!

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I'm also thinking we can find at least 1 scum, if not a scum and possible symp by looking at Osseric's Lynch. I can WIFOM this, but I'll just lean one direction, instead. It behooves scum to try not to be on Lynch trains, IMO. Here is where you can WIFOM that. That won't help us. I'll assume they would rather not be on too many innocent Lynch trains IF they can help it. Again, WIFOM alley.

The first Lynch was, for the most part, a fairly standard Lynch.

The second, however my dear Watson, was RUSHED, if there ever was a rush. With less than minutes to go, Osseric's Lynch was secured. The hammer I BELIEVE was D'riss, confirmed town. Here is where the scum wouldn't have been able to just sit on a target, thus being one of the first voters. I believe they would have had to scramble to help secure either the Liosan, or Osseric Lynch. If their both town, scum doesn't care, they just want someone dead. I think we MAY find one scum in those last switch votes.

Looking closer.

edit for spelling.

Tellan cemented the Osseric lynch by removing from Lio and voting that way. He effectively changed it from 5 votes all to 6 votes to 4.

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Eloth, on 30 July 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Everyone thinks we should lynch Rashan or Kaschan. Now we need to find out who's play is scummy. methinks its Rashan .

I could go with a Rashan lynch. Reading up he doesn't paint a good picture.

For now.

remove vote
Vote Rashan

The couple hour wait between Day 1 Lynch, and Night 1 kill, may have suggested one of the killers didn't put an NA in. Some of those who were on late - ME, Eloth, Rashan, Atrahal, Kalse, TENNES.

Tennes, not to meta you, but that time is about when you come on at night. I never mentioned it, but it sort of made me look at you to begin with. I know your alt, and I know that's your posting time, yet to avoid meta, you have did it this game, therefore meta isn't required.

Yet, Rashan is also on that list. I'll stick with Rashan, coming back to Tennes and Atrahal if Rashan is clean.

Very unsure about Kalse. He may just be new, or old new. His wondering if why we didn't get two NKs night 1, because we all said there is usually two killers for TMDI low, is the reason.

So was he screwing with us, or town who doesn't know general game mechanics.

[Tennes]

Sheltatha Lore, on 31 July 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

back, caught up, it would appear I didn't miss much,

Right now I need to shower and eat. then I may try to take a look at the mess that is the game atm.

is this Shelly's last post?

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I'm also thinking we can find at least 1 scum, if not a scum and possible symp by looking at Osseric's Lynch. I can WIFOM this, but I'll just lean one direction, instead. It behooves scum to try not to be on Lynch trains, IMO. Here is where you can WIFOM that. That won't help us. I'll assume they would rather not be on too many innocent Lynch trains IF they can help it. Again, WIFOM alley.

The first Lynch was, for the most part, a fairly standard Lynch.

The second, however my dear Watson, was RUSHED, if there ever was a rush. With less than minutes to go, Osseric's Lynch was secured. The hammer I BELIEVE was D'riss, confirmed town. Here is where the scum wouldn't have been able to just sit on a target, thus being one of the first voters. I believe they would have had to scramble to help secure either the Liosan, or Osseric Lynch. If their both town, scum doesn't care, they just want someone dead. I think we MAY find one scum in those last switch votes.

Looking closer.

edit for spelling.

Tellan cemented the Osseric lynch by removing from Lio and voting that way. He effectively changed it from 5 votes all to 6 votes to 4.

Yet 6 votes wasn't a Lynch. Are you fucking with me right now? The Osseric Lynch required 7 votes. There are 11 people alive, 13 yesterday. 7 votes to Lynch. So I do believe it was D'riss. I'll get a vote order.

[Tennes]

I don't understand what you are saying, what page is resolution on?

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I'm also thinking we can find at least 1 scum, if not a scum and possible symp by looking at Osseric's Lynch. I can WIFOM this, but I'll just lean one direction, instead. It behooves scum to try not to be on Lynch trains, IMO. Here is where you can WIFOM that. That won't help us. I'll assume they would rather not be on too many innocent Lynch trains IF they can help it. Again, WIFOM alley.

The first Lynch was, for the most part, a fairly standard Lynch.

The second, however my dear Watson, was RUSHED, if there ever was a rush. With less than minutes to go, Osseric's Lynch was secured. The hammer I BELIEVE was D'riss, confirmed town. Here is where the scum wouldn't have been able to just sit on a target, thus being one of the first voters. I believe they would have had to scramble to help secure either the Liosan, or Osseric Lynch. If their both town, scum doesn't care, they just want someone dead. I think we MAY find one scum in those last switch votes.

Looking closer.

edit for spelling.

Tellan cemented the Osseric lynch by removing from Lio and voting that way. He effectively changed it from 5 votes all to 6 votes to 4.

Yet 6 votes wasn't a Lynch. Are you fucking with me right now? The Osseric Lynch required 7 votes. There are 11 people alive, 13 yesterday. 7 votes to Lynch. So I do believe it was D'riss. I'll get a vote order.

There was 10 - 15 minutes left. Shelly removed to make it 5 a piece.

Then Tellan removed from one and added it to the other, so your down to the wire.

Whoever had 6 votes at this stage was inevitably going to be lynched. The hammer didn't matter as much as that 6th vote!!

[Tennes]

I was around until day end and into night the night in question, was that when I was cooking on Friday night? Posting from my phone?

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 31 July 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

back, caught up, it would appear I didn't miss much,

Right now I need to shower and eat. then I may try to take a look at the mess that is the game atm.

is this Shelly's last post?

I don't know, but I'd vote the shit out of SL. I've said a few times I think the Ruse kill was a POSSIBLE mistake. To ME it points at one of the other ducks. Case was too small to bring on its own, though. I seem semi-ok with Kaschan's response, therefore it would leave SL.

It's sort of a stretch, but I'd string him up to find out. Don't think we can get enough votes in time, though.

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

I don't understand what you are saying, what page is resolution on?

Fair enough. Especially since the hammer was confirmed town.

If Liosan is Scum, so is Eloth, and possibly Tellan. I want to give Eloth the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

I don't understand what you are saying, what page is resolution on?

Fair enough. Especially since the hammer was confirmed town.

If Liosan is Scum, so is Eloth, and possibly Tellan. I want to give Eloth the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

Right. This post Sorrit.

Is exactly why I wanted to vote for Tellan. It clears so much. Even if he is town i'd look a lot less on Lio. I can look elsewhere. Tellan and Lio are the big two but is that where scum want us to look? They are a distraction because of this.

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 31 July 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

back, caught up, it would appear I didn't miss much,

Right now I need to shower and eat. then I may try to take a look at the mess that is the game atm.

is this Shelly's last post?

I don't know, but I'd vote the shit out of SL. I've said a few times I think the Ruse kill was a POSSIBLE mistake. To ME it points at one of the other ducks. Case was too small to bring on its own, though. I seem semi-ok with Kaschan's response, therefore it would leave SL.

It's sort of a stretch, but I'd string him up to find out. Don't think we can get enough votes in time, though.

See this is the sort of stuff that we need to discuss at the beginning of the day not when we have a few hours left. I've been around most of day 3 to discuss stuff and see what happens yet it looks like we are going to speed lynch yet again.

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 27 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

All I could see was his (jokish) vote on liosan, for calling ruse out on not being the princess we all know vengence to really be

he also had a little spat at osseric for being an evil disney charachter.

and like everyone else he seemed against speaking in tongues, though he did send a few messages back at emur in chinease

now we know emur was town, it looks like the language lynch was a really bad idea, but hopefully will stop this happening in future games...

I agree 100% on the language thing. A couple posts, ok. But it got far too annoying. Indeed, let's hope it keeps players for doing such in the future.

As for Emurlahn being a poor choice, I say we did our best. We hardly EVER nail a scum on Day 1. If Tellan turns out to be scum, I'd say I wish D'riss and Atrahal had arrived just an hour or two earlier, and they may have been more successful on getting a target switch.

What we learned is obvious at the moment. Emurlahn and Ruse were town, and we know who voted for Emurlahn. Can we assume at least one scum was on the train? I'd say, IMO, at least one. So we should at least look into the voters on the train. I'll be looking at Ruse's posts, looking for possible reactions from others, and posts from those voting Emurlahn.

I know my own heart is pure, and I didn't get all dressed up for nothing, bit this gal is on the murder mystery case.

You do this alot. First one zat comes to mind is zat you zink zee killers are eeza in zee top trés or bottom trés, ver as, it is just as likely zat zey are playing middle of zee road. Wifom comes to mind. Now 'ere you say zat zee killers are on zee train and later you say (I zink) that zee killers are off zee train. Make up your mind.

On zee ozzer 'and my top trés for scum 'asn't changed. Zey've actually grown on me. Especially Kaschan. All 'e ever does is rubbish vat people 'ave said. 'e could make up 'is own case but it is like 'e 'as no opinion.

When did you go from this post, to thinking I'm 'ok' along with Atrahal and Telas.

At this point, I had only said my guess was one scum on first Lynch train, and one off. I said one in bottom 3 posters, and one in top 3. It's WIFOM for sure, but also my belief based on all posts. Call it more gut than WIFOM. I didn't build any cases on it, just stated my thoughts.

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 27 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

All I could see was his (jokish) vote on liosan, for calling ruse out on not being the princess we all know vengence to really be

he also had a little spat at osseric for being an evil disney charachter.

and like everyone else he seemed against speaking in tongues, though he did send a few messages back at emur in chinease

now we know emur was town, it looks like the language lynch was a really bad idea, but hopefully will stop this happening in future games...

I agree 100% on the language thing. A couple posts, ok. But it got far too annoying. Indeed, let's hope it keeps players for doing such in the future.

As for Emurlahn being a poor choice, I say we did our best. We hardly EVER nail a scum on Day 1. If Tellan turns out to be scum, I'd say I wish D'riss and Atrahal had arrived just an hour or two earlier, and they may have been more successful on getting a target switch.

What we learned is obvious at the moment. Emurlahn and Ruse were town, and we know who voted for Emurlahn. Can we assume at least one scum was on the train? I'd say, IMO, at least one. So we should at least look into the voters on the train. I'll be looking at Ruse's posts, looking for possible reactions from others, and posts from those voting Emurlahn.

I know my own heart is pure, and I didn't get all dressed up for nothing, bit this gal is on the murder mystery case.

You do this alot. First one zat comes to mind is zat you zink zee killers are eeza in zee top trés or bottom trés, ver as, it is just as likely zat zey are playing middle of zee road. Wifom comes to mind. Now 'ere you say zat zee killers are on zee train and later you say (I zink) that zee killers are off zee train. Make up your mind.

On zee ozzer 'and my top trés for scum 'asn't changed. Zey've actually grown on me. Especially Kaschan. All 'e ever does is rubbish vat people 'ave said. 'e could make up 'is own case but it is like 'e 'as no opinion.

When did you go from this post, to thinking I'm 'ok' along with Atrahal and Telas.

At this point, I had only said my guess was one scum on first Lynch train, and one off. I said one in bottom 3 posters, and one in top 3. It's WIFOM for sure, but also my belief based on all posts. Call it more gut than WIFOM. I didn't build any cases on it, just stated my thoughts.