[Telas]

I will admit, though, that Rashan has contributed literally nothing since, well, the end of day 1. And as much as I loathe low-posting, I don't think we can just forget about everyone who's currently under suspicion to pursue it.

[Eloth]

Tennes, on 30 July 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 July 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

In case something happens re: time out

Vote Osseric

I'm going to look for Shel's post, phone won't stop here

This is awful voting. The lynch on Lio was building and in my opinion would have given us a lot more information than voting for someone who's got a witch as their avatar. This is one reason I think Kaschan is the other killer, the one laying low, he disregards everything that has been said on thread, votes where the masses are and disappears. He'll say the cases or points people have made are shit but not offer any of his own.

This is case on Kaschan.

Telas, on 30 July 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

lmao Eloth, Tennes makes a case, you do nothing but deflect from people's questions on you, have offhandedly misrepresented the Kaschan case as a mere low poster case, and then suggest that Rashan's low poster case is stronger based on...nothing?

Oh, I'm sorry. Kaschan case isn't a "mere" low posting case. Its a "mere" "voted and left" case.

Kaschan at least put his neck out by voting at the end yesterday. Rashan was completely absent there .(lurking probably.)

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 16 hours and 40 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Atrahal, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( Sheltatha Lore )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Tennes )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

Thanks everyone for the Birthday wishes!

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

[Telas]

iirc people have suspected kaschan for longer than that.

[Telas]

Kaschan, on 27 July 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

another day, another dollar

Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

If we are looking at low posters with little or no content I think we need to look at kaschan a little, this post is pretty much the only thing he's said in the last 24 hours that wasn't a 'I'm catching up' or 'I'm going to bed' comment...

Kaschan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

let me try this again, it's been a fun day so far and I have a meeting in about 30 minutes

Did anyone else notice the CF for Emur and Ruse were different? Does this have significance or just a P-S oversight?

yes, sorry I didn't get to play much yesterday, demands of the workplace and the need to sleep do speak loudly in my ear. It is my intent to be more productive today

This was at the beginning of day 2. Kaschan gave an explanation for his low posting day 1, then expressed an intent to be more involved with the game.

Then he disappeared for 6 hours, then came back while the tellan shenanigans were finishing up, throwing out random questions, expressed confusion with what was going on, contributed no content, then made the suspicious vote before disappearing shortly afterward. You think this unexplained vote makes him appear inno; I think that the circumstances behind his vote make him appear scummy. He asked what the case was on Lio, was TOLD where to find the case, then votes elsewhere (Osseric, who had fewer votes at the time) without any explanation. He then disappeared and has since neglected to explain himself.

Meanwhile, Rashan has just been absent altogether. Worth lynching if we have nothing else, I'm sure (especially after we saw a scum lurk through all last game), but we have plenty of other suspects on the table.

[Kaschan]

waiting on my boss for a meeting - the evil prick is leaving town tomorrow and I will inherit the whole mess for the week

apologies for my lack of participation, if you have to lynch me I understand, but would prefer to play


Telas - I will try to respond to you later

[Tellan]

I guess everyone really is busy.

[Sorrit]

I'm here, catching up. I'll be here for the next 10 hours. So it's head crackin' time.

Before I read up, I stated I thought one of the duck, and Telas were my two guesses. I'll read up, and see if I still feel that way. Although I REALLY hated Tellan's blow up. Why would just a random RI of pure heart want to go to such lenghts to defend himself/herself. We might almost need to lynch Tellan.

Be right back.

[Liosan]

It's definitely been one of those days. I can't shake my feeling that Atrahal is scum - that's where my vote was yesterday before I moved it to Osseric for the lynch. I'm going to have a closer look at Atrahal and see if I can come up with something a little more concrete than my gut feeling.

As for the case against me, I don't really understand it. It seems to rest on things that I explain as I'm doing them, misrepresentation of the things that I've said and the actions that I've taken. I apologize for not being as active as I usually am this game, but I got slammed really hard at work last week, and it's only barely letting up this week. Anyway, I'll dig up the case against me after I have had a look at Atrahal, but for now I agree with Tennes' refutation of what seems to be the case against me. *nods* Stay tuned!

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I'm here, catching up. I'll be here for the next 10 hours. So it's head crackin' time.

Before I read up, I stated I thought one of the duck, and Telas were my two guesses. I'll read up, and see if I still feel that way. Although I REALLY hated Tellan's blow up. Why would just a random RI of pure heart want to go to such lenghts to defend himself/herself. We might almost need to lynch Tellan.

Be right back.

So you're saying I should have let myself be lynched for such a terribly wrought and bullshit case? Nah, that ain't me. There was no substance to the case. I'm going to be busy all night but I -should- have lots of time to post before timeout tomorrow.

[Sorrit]

Tennes, on 30 July 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Snip

So many turn arounds during the end of the day. Scum were definitely active. Tellan is sure thing to come up scum in my eyes almost 100% on him. Whereas Lio is now 50/50, Lio's vote on Osseric looked scummy, yet Tellan voted for Lio (could have been distancing) but when it came down to it removed and went for Osseric instead. I'm thinking Lio could be town and Kaschan is Tellan's partner. Too much negative play from Kaschan, not enough participation yet he is active at the right times. For me I get a good feeling from Sorrit, Atrahal and Telas. Kalse I am thinking could be town or symp. If Kaschan isn't Tellan's partner then it is Rashan. If Tellan is innocent then my scum dar is totally off this game and I deserve to get lynched and banned from playing the next few games. Somethings amiss anyway. So I have a bunch of posts below from yesterday (game day)

Snip

Why do you feel ok about me? You shouldn't feel ok about anyone, yet. We have had two full days of mostly nothing. I appreciate your vote of confidence, but don't expect it in return, just yet. Please elaborate on why you feel that I, atrahal, and Telas are ok by you. I could still see you as a possible symp, Tennes. Right now I've fog you pegged as one of our leading town minds, or possible symp.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I'm here, catching up. I'll be here for the next 10 hours. So it's head crackin' time.

Before I read up, I stated I thought one of the duck, and Telas were my two guesses. I'll read up, and see if I still feel that way. Although I REALLY hated Tellan's blow up. Why would just a random RI of pure heart want to go to such lenghts to defend himself/herself. We might almost need to lynch Tellan.

Be right back.

So you're saying I should have let myself be lynched for such a terribly wrought and bullshit case? Nah, that ain't me. There was no substance to the case. I'm going to be busy all night but I -should- have lots of time to post before timeout tomorrow.

Damn right I'd like to grill your pretty little ass, right now JUST for that blow up, and for calling D'riss a 'faggot.' Because letting people get away shit like that - "Nah, that ain't me!." But unfortunately, you may be right. If it is a case of bold town play, then after this is over, and you played the 'whiny kid' card, I'll either congratulate you, or haunt you. Either way, as your lingo goes - I'm on the mother fucker. If you're scum, I'm'a cook you up and grill Yah." If you're not, quit whining and help nail some scum. That shit ain't helping. In fact it's your whining that is about the only thing that makes you look guilty, in my eyes.

So if I waste a lynch teaching your hot ass a lesson, when I could be looking for the real scum, then your bitch-ass play just got in my way. Sorrit out, gangstah.

Edit for 'faggot' being auto-corrected to 'factly'.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 31 July 2012 - 01:02 AM

[Liosan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I'm here, catching up. I'll be here for the next 10 hours. So it's head crackin' time.

Before I read up, I stated I thought one of the duck, and Telas were my two guesses. I'll read up, and see if I still feel that way. Although I REALLY hated Tellan's blow up. Why would just a random RI of pure heart want to go to such lenghts to defend himself/herself. We might almost need to lynch Tellan.

Be right back.

So you're saying I should have let myself be lynched for such a terribly wrought and bullshit case? Nah, that ain't me. There was no substance to the case. I'm going to be busy all night but I -should- have lots of time to post before timeout tomorrow.

Damn right I'd like to grill your pretty little ass, right now JUST for that blow up, and for calling D'riss a 'faggot.' Because letting people get away shit like that - "Nah, that ain't me!." But unfortunately, you may be right. If it is a case of bold town play, then after this is over, and you played the 'whiny kid' card, I'll either congratulate you, or haunt you. Either way, as your lingo goes - I'm on the mother fucker. If you're scum, I'm'a cook you up and grill Yah." If you're not, quit whining and help nail some scum. That shit ain't helping. In fact it's your whining that is about the only thing that makes you look guilty, in my eyes.

So if I waste a lynch teaching your hot ass a lesson, when I could be looking for the real scum, then your bitch-ass play just got in my way. Sorrit out, gangstah.

Edit for 'faggot' being auto-corrected to 'factly'.

Amen to that sister.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 30 July 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Here's something interesting:

Rashan, Liosan, and Kaschan all have fewer or as many posts as Emurlahn, who was lynched on day 1. Nice job guys!


D'riss initiated the switch to Lio. He CFed town, and operating on the assumption that scum wouldn't kill their symp, we can trust what he was saying before his death.
Tellan switches as well, noting he will switch back to osseric to get a lynch.
Tennes switches to Lio, after thinking the osseric push was derailing from Tellan.
Kaschan asks what the case is on Lio, Shelly tells him to look back a couple pages, he then votes Osseric without explanation.
Osseric votes Lio--he's inno, but it appeared more that the just wanted to save his own skin.
Kalse switches to Lio--puts Lio at L-2.
Atrahal arrives and moves his previous vote on Tellan to Osseric, no explanation.
---Both are L-2 at this stage.
Tellan moves his vote from Lio to Osseric, effectively securing an Osseric lynch.
D'riss switches to hammer.

I think that since D'riss and Osseric both CFed inno, the apparent conclusion is that the people they focused on (Tellan, Liosan) are scum. I disagree. This is very wifom, but I think that scum is trying to point us in their direction--keeping in mind that the cases against both weren't particularly strong, though Tellan's blow-up didn't exactly help. The more interesting thing are the two big swing votes toward Osseric: Kaschan and Atrahal. Neither of them explained their votes, neither of them participated aside from voting, and both disappeared as soon as the lynch took place--infact, Atrahal claimed he preferred a Tellan lynch over an Osseric lynch, but the way I understand it Tellan / Liosan are implicated together, so he shouldn't have had any qualms taking Lio to L-1. Instead, he and Kaschan brought Lio and Osseric to the same number of votes (L-2) rather than securing the lynch on Lio together. Furthermore, both have kept their distance from one another, and both have generally avoided suspicion.

I'm going to do a reread of these two and see what I can come up with.

Why do you think anyone would think scum wouldn't kill their symp? If there IS a symp, the killers don't know who that is. Can you clarify this thought for me?

[Sheltatha Lore]

back, caught up, it would appear I didn't miss much,

Right now I need to shower and eat. then I may try to take a look at the mess that is the game atm.

[Sorrit]

Kaschan, on 30 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

waiting on my boss for a meeting - the evil prick is leaving town tomorrow and I will inherit the whole mess for the week

apologies for my lack of participation, if you have to lynch me I understand, but would prefer to play


Telas - I will try to respond to you later

Interesting view, Kaschan, on your getting heat. This is how I felt Tellan MAY have went about his heat. I had one of the ducks, SL or Kaschan, as one of the scum. I base this on their killing of Ruse. I think Ruse may have been an attempt to incriminate Tellan. But mostly, because I think one of the killers may have not liked the fact that their were other duck avatars. I could be way off, that's why I'm re-reading now.

This single post by Kaschan almost makes me want to believe him. Either that, or it's brilliant avant-garde play. He was possibly my top choice, for his lack of loquaciousness, and seeming to be busy almost the whole time, yet he may just have been busy this whole time.

SL, then? SL was the first duck. Killing Ruse kills any further signal talk about the duck avatars. How do we know vengy wasn't the possible symp and was just stupid enough to try it. I admit it's speculation, and alone it isn't good enough for a case, but I do have it shelved away for future thought.

Hmmm. I feel as if I can almost believe Kaschan, but I would then be doing the same thing I faulted Tennes for doing by say he felt 'good' about me, atrahal, and Telas. Because I don't trust Atrahal or Telas at all, yet. Tennes almost seems helpful, but I could WIFOM that to death.

Temporary conclusion - SL and Telas, perhaps.

Now to another VERY interesting post by Eloth.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 30 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 July 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

How much has he been playing? We don't know his opinions, we have no content post of him, he is low poster. Scummy? yes please.

Meanwhile let's forget about everyone who's been under the microscope: Tellan, Liosan, Kalse, etc. Amirite

Possibly, yes. Re-read Eloth's latest posts. I think something's there. He doesn't outright make this possible scenario clear, and he would be wise not to. Eloth could easily be scum or a very helpful town.

[Sorrit]

Eloth, on 30 July 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 July 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

It's not the day for a low poster hunt, if we fucking go for someone like Rashan then what information does that give us? Care to explain Eloth? You have no fucking content posts except your asking who's around or checking in posts. What do you make of Liosan, Kaschan, Tellan? If you want to "look" scummy whilst actually being town then that's great. I don't think of you as scum, I don't but don't play into their hands.

So you are saying we should lynch Tellan today and Liosan tomorrow so we can clear our suspect pools. good plan dear, go through with it.
while you were not around yesterday dear, we had quite the discussion , while you with only 2 useful posts today just voted and left.
Case on Kaschan is nothing other than low posting case. Tellan is not cleared in my mind but i'm sure the finder did a find on either him or Lio last night , and he is kind o' off my radar ATM.
between two low poster cases i prefer Rashan's, you have any problem with that?

Very interesting post, Eloth. I sort of have had this same line of thought, but it's never wise to go down that road. There is no confirmed Finder, just as there is no confirmed symp, but they seem to go hand in hand. We probably have both or neither. I'd say we have both, and a possible healer as well. Original numbers for the game was only 12, but room for up to 16. I'd day here is where we could of gained additional roles, and plus to TMDI. It would be in our best interest to assume at least 3 scum, though WCS. Best case 2.

I'd only suggest that if there is a finder, he/she keeps highly aware of the possible D-day scenario, and doesn't wait til the last day to reveal. Didn't work well for us last time, although Grief isn't playing. That was some of the best play I'd seen by him. Let's not set ourselves up for a repeat of not knowing who to trust if a similar situation arrives.

[Sorrit]

Path-Shaper, on 30 July 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 16 hours and 40 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Atrahal, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( Sheltatha Lore )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Tennes )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

Thanks everyone for the Birthday wishes!

Eloth, what do you think about Kalse and Rashan as scum?
SL and Telas?
Tennes and Atrahal?

Enlighten me with your vast wisdom, s'il vois plait?

And for any of you that can't handle a close inspection, get your handy-dandy bag of insults and temper-tantrums ready. We need to nail a scum tonight, and I say at least one of them is good enough to hide amongst our 'bold town.' Those of use who seem most trusted, while be very outspoken.

I'll include my name in that list, you'd be fools to single anyone out.
I say we lynch a possible Rashan, for low-posting, for he seems the best case. He got hear Day 1, and received some deflection.

Or - Sorrit, Tennes, or Telas.

For now - vote Rashan

He hasn't had heat in a while, so we can nail a low-poster and possible scum, and a low contributer, or it'll force him to talk.

[Sorrit]

@Eloth - you insinuated the Finder, if there is one, did a find on Lio or Tellan. That only clears one or the other, even if true. I sort of believed a possible finder would also choose someone getting heat, so they could clear or condemn. It's just as WIFOM that they chose anyone else, thinking we'd lynch those getting heat.

Come on people. It's Day 3. Time to participate.