[Telas]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


I almost wish I was NKed so I could look in SH instead of continuing to speculate.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

[Tellan]

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


I almost wish I was NKed so I could look in SH instead of continuing to speculate.

That feel, bro.


I think you're scum, simply because you a reasoning in a very well mannered and concise way, and are actively trying to find scum, and no one has been suspicious of you, and you STILL haven't been NKed.

Sorrit and myself are also active, but sorrit is borderline insane, and mucks up the thread with his thought-vomit sometimes.

I'm far too easy to lynch, and somewhat unhelpful apparently.


Back to my reread.

[Telas]

Dude if I were scum I would be playing a pretty boss game right now. Seriously, I didn't do shit days 1 and 2 and I think you were the only 1 who even mentioned me as a possible candidate. At one point Sorrit said I was in his top 3 suspects as well, with Tennes and I think Kaschan (iirc).

[Tellan]

Gloat more

[Tellan]

But really, look at who they killed the previous night. Tennes was another very helpful and not suspected player.

[Telas]

I thought I had caught Tennes on a slip at one point, too, shortly before he died. =/

And correction about Sorrit's suspects earlier: SL was the third, not kaschan.

This post has been edited by Telas: 31 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

[Telas]

And also, I was wrong, Sorrit mentioned Eloth acting as though he was finding people before he denied it. I don't think he's the finder; I actually thought the same thing (but sent in a PM...) yesterday afternoon, and that suspicion was created by his sudden attack on Rashan. But just before he was NKed he said he believed my fake-symp theory and that we shouldn't lynch Rashan. Idk what that tells us about rashan, though.

[Telas]

I think that there are going to be 2 sources of information based on who we lynch today:
From the person lynched and their CF
Who scum decides to NK


I want to choose a lynch target that will not only give us useful information from their CF, but also divides the remaining 6 players into groups such that scum is forced to give us helpful information with their NK target. Unfortunately, if we miss we go into the next day with 2 scum 3 town, and once 1 townie lays down a vote it's gg if both scum are around.

So, our remaining players are Atrahal, Sorrit, Kaschan, Tellan, Liosan, Rashan, and Telas (myself). I need to find time to reread and get a grasp on this situation.

[Sorrit]

That don't mean he was the finder. I still say finder CFs finder. It's worse that he didn't CF. Now we can't really rule anyone out. Should we assume he was, even though he said he wasn't? If we assume he's finder, then he found tellan and Liosan, and cleared them.

[Telas]

He never found Tellan, only said he wouldn't want to vote for Lio. And based on his flip-flop over Rashan I don't think he was the finder.

[Telas]

I have my thoughts about whom we should best lynch but don't have any lucid, strong evidence to back them up--more gut / what I think I remember. I'll reserve them until we hear from our absentees post-lynch, particularly Atrahal and Rashan.

[Telas]

Oh, and Kaschan. If he's scum, that motherfucker has been coasting like it's his job. And if my fake symp theory was actually correct (meaning our scum is kaschan/tellan) he's playing it perfectly while we scramble.

And to conclude yet another triple-post I'm gonna go for a few hours.

[Sorrit]

 Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


I almost wish I was NKed so I could look in SH instead of continuing to speculate.

That feel, bro.


I think you're scum, simply because you a reasoning in a very well mannered and concise way, and are actively trying to find scum, and no one has been suspicious of you, and you STILL haven't been NKed.

Sorrit and myself are also active, but sorrit is borderline insane, and mucks up the thread with his thought-vomit sometimes.

I'm far too easy to lynch, and somewhat unhelpful apparently.


Back to my reread.

And you can be a whiny, little bitch, who don't have proper manners, sometimes. Just because I'm easy to alt, don't mean you aren't either. There is always an attempt at reason behind all I do. It blows up huge in my face sometimes, yes. But I at least go for it. I don't play for second place. I've been far too good to you guys, and you know it.

Anything out of the way I say, I'm kidding. My thought vomit kept me from getting NKed so far. There's two games going on, pal. The game we're showing, and the one we're playing. Sorry, if that goes over your head.

Now quit verbally abusing me and help a cracker out. Let's kiss and make up. Love you, Tellan.

Still want to lynch your face, though.

[Sorrit]

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Oh, and Kaschan. If he's scum, that motherfucker has been coasting like it's his job. And if my fake symp theory was actually correct (meaning our scum is kaschan/tellan) he's playing it perfectly while we scramble.

And to conclude yet another triple-post Ih'm gonna go for a few hours.

Why would Kalse give us one real scum, if Kaschan turns up scum? He gave us one scum, and one town? That's bizzare. I tend to want to clear kaschan, because SL CFed Inno. Who fucking knows at this point.

[Tellan]

Hmm. Alright, here we go. Please read all of this, everyone. I know long posts can be a pain, but I would really love some comments here.

 Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

Im still here as well but im at work so I keep half writing something and getting interupted and then forgetting the point I was making....

I'm thinking lisoan isnt scum, but only becuase ruse was voting for him the whole day, and there was hardly any other heat on him, it would of been daft for lio to kill off ruse....I'm not rulling him out completlty, but I think he is a little less likely to be scum right now....

So here is Kalse's first instance of defending Liosan. Somewhat subtle. Not very subtle, but its not outright. He gives reasoning, at least.

 Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

Hmm, after all that analyzing, I think my favourite for scum suspect right now is Atrahal, for giving us shit for voting Emu, then trying to hammer him after he had already been hammered. And his vote Emu, then vote Tellan within 5 minutes thing as well.

vote Atrahal

I think atrahal was just making sure we got a lynch. We have all hammered someone we didn't really want to vote for just to get a lynch.
Also he was voting for emur, who was town an then changed his mind, if emur had been found scum I'd be voting for atrahal right now, but he wasn't.

I'm not to impresses with Lios mass of cases right now...

And here Kalse defends Atrahal, and distances himself from Liosan a bit. Interesting.

 Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

If I had a dollar for every time someone decided that a player defending another player means that both of them are scum... I'd like you to read this REALLY CAREFULLY. If we were partners it would be very stupid of Kalse to jump to my defence after only one vote, especially this early in the day, and with so many other votes and suspects hanging around. Responding to a case is what happens in Mafia, and if someone disagrees with a case then it is up to them to question that case. That is the only way we are going to get enough information out on the board to make an informed decision. Your attack of Kalse really just looks like you trying to deflect suspicion because it is a poor case. You could have easily answered Kalse's reservations constructively, but instead you went on the attack, and it looks dodgy.

This reads like a master admonishing his symp.


Just a side note, Atrahal has made cases on two confirmed innocents so far on day 2. Not damning in itself, but it adds to it. That would be SL and Eloth.

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

If we are looking at low posters with little or no content I think we need to look at kaschan a little, this post is pretty much the only thing he's said in the last 24 hours that wasn't a 'I'm catching up' or 'I'm going to bed' comment...

Here is an instance that Kalse attacks Kaschan. So this would lead to the idea that Kaschan is not a killer.

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I still think lio is town, but its more of a wifom gut feeling, more than anything else which I was called on when I made that post originally

there's quite a few if us who are just slipping through without making any waves, its those im thinking of right now

my house internet keeps going on and off, ive tried 3 times to post this so im going to be using my phone after this

Kalse continues to defend Liosan.

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

the first post was an analysis of ruse after he was killed and the second one was about lio

why dont you vote for me if you think my defense of lio makes lio scummy?

This one is a very interesting post. Kalse begs for votes himself, rather than people voting Liosan. His logic in this post is extremely flawed.

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

I dont think lio's scum, so why would i vote for him?

Another post defending Liosan, it seems too easy!

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

im not sure how lio has managed to gain three votes so quickly, with no new evidence being brought forward
by my count we have just jumped to liosan.

3 Votes for Tellan ( Tennes, Osseric, Atrahal )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Sheltatha Lore )
6 Votes for Osseric ( Tellan, Eloth, Kalse, D'riss, Telas, Liosan )

to

2 Votes for Tellan ( Osseric, Atrahal )
4 Vote for Liosan ( Sheltatha Lore, D'riss, Tellan, Tennes, )
4 Votes for Osseric ( Eloth, Kalse, Liosan, Telas )

which if anything has just made it harder to get a lynch at all...



because we need a lynch i will switch if someone else votes for lio but i dont agree with the case and i dont like how quick three votes switched

Again, more defensive. This quantity of posts is just ridiculous.

 Kalse, on 27 July 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

too many cross posts, that counts way off

remove vote, vote lio

to get the lynch

Here he switches, as the lynch is inevitable. Not sure how I feel about this.

 Atrahal, on 27 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Vote Osseric

But here Atrahal votes Osseric, and this vote is basically what secures Osseric as an option again. So here Atrahal resists the Liosan lynch.

 Liosan, on 31 July 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

It's definitely been one of those days. I can't shake my feeling that Atrahal is scum - that's where my vote was yesterday before I moved it to Osseric for the lynch. I'm going to have a closer look at Atrahal and see if I can come up with something a little more concrete than my gut feeling.

As for the case against me, I don't really understand it. It seems to rest on things that I explain as I'm doing them, misrepresentation of the things that I've said and the actions that I've taken. I apologize for not being as active as I usually am this game, but I got slammed really hard at work last week, and it's only barely letting up this week. Anyway, I'll dig up the case against me after I have had a look at Atrahal, but for now I agree with Tennes' refutation of what seems to be the case against me. *nods* Stay tuned!

And here is an example of Liosan not liking Atrahal. There were a lot of these, but I only grabbed this one because I didn't make the connection right away. I'll get to that in a minute.



In conclusion, Kalse, our known symp, defends the hell out of Liosan, and Atrahal. He didn't defend anyone else at all. He really worked to relieve suspicion on Liosan, and we didn't get a lynch there. All of these posts can lead to no other conclusion but that Liosan was heavily symped by kalse.

-but- Kalse seems to be fake symping me (and Rashan, if he is inno). I think there's a definite possibility that Kalse was fake symping Liosan because Liosan had frequently posted that she was very suspicious of Atrahal, and continued to vote in that way despite little support.

Along with that, Kalse defends Atrahal, and Atrahal seems to scold him.

So here are my likely scenarios.


Kalse as symp, Liosan is inno, Atrahal is a killer.

Kalse as symp, Liosan and Atrahal both killers.


Liosan's accusations against Atrahal were pretty easy to make, and not dangerous. No one supported. This could easily be distancing. Along with that, Atrahal did not vote on the Liosan train.

Either way, I see Atrahal as scum after this reread in either scenario, so here we go.

Vote Atrahal



Comments, please.

[Tellan]

 Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

And you can be a whiny, little bitch, who don't have proper manners, sometimes. Just because I'm easy to alt, don't mean you aren't either. There is always an attempt at reason behind all I do. It blows up huge in my face sometimes, yes. But I at least go for it. I don't play for second place. I've been far too good to you guys, and you know it.

Anything out of the way I say, I'm kidding. My thought vomit kept me from getting NKed so far. There's two games going on, pal. The game we're showing, and the one we're playing. Sorry, if that goes over your head.

Now quit verbally abusing me and help a cracker out. Let's kiss and make up. Love you, Tellan.

Still want to lynch your face, though.

I wasn't insulting you, brother. I was simply explaining the oddity of Telas remaining unkilled.

I suppose he is just lucky.

[Tellan]

I'm gonna walk my dogs while (hopefully) you guys read and respond.

[Telas]

I lied about leaving, I'm typing this as I drive to the gym because I can't keep away from mafia.

I like the atrahal case. Even though my memory of exactly what I was thinking at the beginning of the game is unclear, I have had suspicions about atrahal from day one.

[Telas]

as previously stated before tellan made his case, I an okay with lynching either atrahal or liosan. If they are our killers and auto confirm the partner's request, the timing of our last night resolution coincides with liosan showing up, since he posted during path shaper's absence.