[Sorrit]

Tellan, I think your lynch tells us the most, that's why I'd vote you. Not sure who else's death could help us better, really. Do you have a suggestion on both who would help either point to other scum or help clear anyone but learning their faction?

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Sorrit, are you scum?

Negative. Pure and innocent as the driven snow. But no one can really clear me. Or should. We are stuck looking everywhere.

Then why the FUCK would you ever point out when someone is insinuating that they're a finder? That helps no one.


I'm not even good at mafia. But every game I play someone does this. Someone points out a town role insinuation. Just stop. Put this in 101, if it isn't. Put it at the top in all caps. Just... why?

[Telas]

I do think we need to see at some point whether Tellan is scum or inno. I think that among those of us still alive, lynching Tellan, Liosan, Atrahal, or Sorrit would provide us the most information, since they seem to have be more divisive than some of the other posters. For instance, lynching Rashan doesn't give us much since he has been low-posting the fuck out of this game, as has Kaschan. Eloth hasn't been all that involved in anything, and until recently I haven't either (which is why I'm surprised I never received any heat really). If we trust Tennes and D'riss, two of the more vocal and reasonable-seeming town CFs, we should be lynching either Tellan or Liosan (the two people they each seemed to suspect most). The fact that they've both lived this long despite experiencing so much pressure all game should tell us something--in fact, Liosan seems to ahve pretty much fallen off the radar.

[Telas]

But tbh we can speculate all we like, night hasn't resolved.

People we are missing: atrahal, rashan.

Hmmmmm

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Sorrit, are you scum?

Negative. Pure and innocent as the driven snow. But no one can really clear me. Or should. We are stuck looking everywhere.

Then why the FUCK would you ever point out when someone is insinuating that they're a finder? That helps no one.


I'm not even good at mafia. But every game I play someone does this. Someone points out a town role insinuation. Just stop. Put this in 101, if it isn't. Put it at the top in all caps. Just... why?

Who does it benefit if people believe he is a finder? You and Liosan. I'd trade Eloth in a sec to clear two people. That's HUGE. After tonight, 5 town 2 scum. 2 clears minus me leaves 7 minus 3 = 4 players for 2 scum to hide. We get two chances to get first scum. That's 50% chance first try, 66.6% second try. If we hit one, it's 2 town 1 scum. 33% chance. It's not a bad scenario, considering where we are sitting.

[Telas]

Actually, Path-Shaper hasn't been around the last few hours either. So I don't think we can really use the timing of night resolution to our advantage.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

I do think we need to see at some point whether Tellan is scum or inno. I think that among those of us still alive, lynching Tellan, Liosan, Atrahal, or Sorrit would provide us the most information, since they seem to have be more divisive than some of the other posters. For instance, lynching Rashan doesn't give us much since he has been low-posting the fuck out of this game, as has Kaschan. Eloth hasn't been all that involved in anything, and until recently I haven't either (which is why I'm surprised I never received any heat really). If we trust Tennes and D'riss, two of the more vocal and reasonable-seeming town CFs, we should be lynching either Tellan or Liosan (the two people they each seemed to suspect most). The fact that they've both lived this long despite experiencing so much pressure all game should tell us something--in fact, Liosan seems to ahve pretty much fallen off the radar.

Telas, if you're scum, then you would mislead us. If I'm scum, I would mislead us. We can only HOPE and bet on both of us being town, and finding somewhere our thoughts intersect. Is there anyone we BOTH want lynched? I don't WANT anyone, but I'd love to see Tellans CF. I could vote anyone not me. Let's hope to get somewhere. If you're town, it doesn't clear anyone. If I'm town, it clears no one. If tellan is town, it kinda clears Eloth and Liosan, unless Eloth fake symped a person he knew wed lynch, and that would cf town.

[Sorrit]

Telas, I can't decide if you're just a town barking up the wrong tree, or scum. I hope you're just wrong. I don't think Roldy fake symped anyone. He thought if we killed SL and Kaschan, then him, scum wins, imo.

It's WIFOM if he symped or fake symped. I tend to go with my first reaction, and I was the only one that said Kalse was def lying.

[Telas]

Can you explain how Eloth and Liosan would be PIed by a town CF from Tellan? Paranoid fake-symp theories aside, I think Tellan is the lynch that the flow of the game has directed us toward. I am also okay with a Liosan or Atrahal lynch, but my memory of who supported what when is pretty hazy--I need to start taking thorough notes about that sort of stuff.

[Path-Shaper]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Actually, Path-Shaper hasn't been around the last few hours either. So I don't think we can really use the timing of night resolution to our advantage.

Sorry had to nip out and ended up meeting with unforeseen problems and so was gone longer than expected. I haven't even gotten a chance for dinner yet.

[Telas]

I already admitted the fake symp theory is paranoid--I'm a bit surprised at how convinced Eloth is in my crazy theory. If we think about this reasonably, Kalse was trying to take pressure off of Tellan or Rashan; the fact he "found" Tellan as inno seems to reinforce that. But (now this is somewhat wifom territory) wouldn't he realize how obvious that seems?

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Can you explain how Eloth and Liosan would be PIed by a town CF from Tellan? Paranoid fake-symp theories aside, I think Tellan is the lynch that the flow of the game has directed us toward. I am also okay with a Liosan or Atrahal lynch, but my memory of who supported what when is pretty hazy--I need to start taking thorough notes about that sort of stuff.

It doesn't adamantly clear anyone. But it's all we have. Eloth said he wouldn't shoot Liosan with if we put a gun to his, right? Was Eloth? Then he is saying tellan is innocent. He only recently switched to his excuse for his thoughts being your fake symp theory. He said they were both town, pretty definitively way before that.

So I sort of think tellan is the lynch pin. If he's Inno we can maybe believe Eloth, and thus Eloth about Liosan. Maybe not. If tellan is scum, it fucks Eloth and possibly Liosan, imo.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Sorrit, are you scum?

Negative. Pure and innocent as the driven snow. But no one can really clear me. Or should. We are stuck looking everywhere.

Then why the FUCK would you ever point out when someone is insinuating that they're a finder? That helps no one.


I'm not even good at mafia. But every game I play someone does this. Someone points out a town role insinuation. Just stop. Put this in 101, if it isn't. Put it at the top in all caps. Just... why?

Who does it benefit if people believe he is a finder? You and Liosan. I'd trade Eloth in a sec to clear two people. That's HUGE. After tonight, 5 town 2 scum. 2 clears minus me leaves 7 minus 3 = 4 players for 2 scum to hide. We get two chances to get first scum. That's 50% chance first try, 66.6% second try. If we hit one, it's 2 town 1 scum. 33% chance. It's not a bad scenario, considering where we are sitting.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Use your head. If he wanted to reveal as finder, he would do so. Don't do it for him. Finders rarely reveal to save people, unless its absolute end game. All you did by making what was implicit explicit is alert the scum on who to kill.

[Tellan]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Can you explain how Eloth and Liosan would be PIed by a town CF from Tellan? Paranoid fake-symp theories aside, I think Tellan is the lynch that the flow of the game has directed us toward. I am also okay with a Liosan or Atrahal lynch, but my memory of who supported what when is pretty hazy--I need to start taking thorough notes about that sort of stuff.

I was just about to ask this.

I'm not even super opposed to my own lynch, because all the most vocal players are hung up on me. Its just a waste of our chance in my mind, because I know i'm inno. But ya'll can't know that, so yeah.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I already admitted the fake symp theory is paranoid--I'm a bit surprised at how convinced Eloth is in my crazy theory. If we think about this reasonably, Kalse was trying to take pressure off of Tellan or Rashan; the fact he "found" Tellan as inno seems to reinforce that. But (now this is somewhat wifom territory) wouldn't he realize how obvious that seems?

About as obvious as he felt that a finder would find a symp as scum, about as obvious as it was to him that both killers only got one NK, not one each, about as obvious as it was that there would be no BP in this game, that Finders do, at least mostly in a low TMDI game, do cf finder, about as obvious as it should of been that when he said he found both killers, that the game somehow wasn't over, about as obvious as it was to me that SL would cf Inno.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 31 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

[Tellan]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I already admitted the fake symp theory is paranoid--I'm a bit surprised at how convinced Eloth is in my crazy theory. If we think about this reasonably, Kalse was trying to take pressure off of Tellan or Rashan; the fact he "found" Tellan as inno seems to reinforce that. But (now this is somewhat wifom territory) wouldn't he realize how obvious that seems?

Almost every action by scum this game has implicated me. Take that as you will, I'll not WIFOM the place up, but that's just how it is.

[Telas]

Okay. Looking through some speculation I previously sent to P-S, Eloth didn't want to lynch Liosan and seemed to really dislike Rashan, attacking him out of the blue at the beginning of day 3 and pushing a low-poster case pretty aggressively.

But now he says that he doesn't want to lynch Tellan or Rashan, and has explicitly stated twice now (the first time apparently without a reason to, unless I missed your finder mention while catching up at that point) that he is not the finder.

I'm missing the part where that connects to Tellan, though.

[Tellan]

I think I would lynch Rashan in this case. I'm going to do a full re read right now, if I can finish in time, keeping in mind Kalse as symp.

[Path-Shaper]

There was no one left to frighten her now that the witch was gone and so she was careless, wondering the castle in the dark, entering alone into the woods, which had been so recently filled with terrifying cries. She gave a start when she heard the sound of a spinning wheel but could see nothing in her path, she had no time to scream when on turning back a blade entered her skull. I wonder, I wonder, did she not see this coming once upon a dream?


Eloth (EmperorMagus) is dead, he was town. Thus ends his ever after.

[Tellan]

Path-Shaper, on 31 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

There was no one left to frighten her now that the witch was gone and so she was careless, wondering the castle in the dark, entering alone into the woods, which had been so recently filled with terrifying cries. She gave a start when she heard the sound of a spinning wheel but could see nothing in her path, she had no time to scream when on turning back a blade entered her skull. I wonder, I wonder, did she not see this coming once upon a dream?


Eloth (EmperorMagus) is dead, he was town. Thus ends his ever after.

This. This is why you don't point it out, Sorrit.