[Sorrit]

Who do you think we should lynch. Let's lynch tellan first, then? Is that what you're saying?

[Telas]

And what makes Eloth seem innocent to you? He's made little comments on everything all game but hasn't contributed a whole lot of content at all. In fact, if I were looking for scum laying low, making no waves he doesn't seem like such a bad choice.

[Telas]

 Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Dude if we lynched Rashan then Tellan and both were town it would be game over.

Why, wouldn't we be at 3 town, and 2 scum? We' ll be 7 town, 2 scum after NK.

First miss - 5 town 2 scum
Second miss - 3 town 2 scum

Right?

No, 7 players--5 town, 2 scum after NK.

[Eloth]

I'm back.
I completely agree with Telas's fake symping case.

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

 Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Essentially it would've been a pretty bold play that couldn't really backfire if Kalse didn't even mention his master.

(There's also the possibility that Kalse was distancing from Kaschan in the same maneuver, though Tennes mentioned voting SL and Tellan was the first to vote SL, thereby deflecting from kaschan--which pretty much ruins my theory).

I actually assumed that Kalse was protecting SL by voting kaschan in the first place. We mafia folk are sure paranoid.

Exactly haha. The way I could see that playing out is:
Kaschan/Tellan are scum, Kalse is symp
Kalse fake reveals, naming Kaschan and SL
Tellan directs lynch onto SL
SL gets lynched, CFs inno
Kalse gets lynched for being symp
Kaschan looks inno as a result.

But that is a pretty paranoid conspiracy theory-esque scenario. More likely IMO is that Kalse chose Kaschan and SL since he could link them by the duck avatars, even though I'm pretty sure SL had the duck avatar first so he couldn't have been a symp signaling to master.

I think this isn't how it happened , because Kalse couldn't be sure of Tellan's timely redirection .
And risking 1 of his masters this way is simply not wise.

I'm not Finder as some mentioned. I completely deny that.

I won't vote for Rashan or Tellan atm because I'm with camp "fake symp" right now.

I'm really trying to find a good vote target. open for suggestions.

[Telas]

Interesting timing on the return, eh?


I'm not sure who to vote for right now. The only people I'm not 100% suspicious of are tellan, rashan, and kaschan--but 2 of those 3 are also very low posters and could easily be lurking. Rashan in particular, if it isn't a fake symp situation.

[Eloth]

I said i will be back in a couple of hours.

[Sorrit]

 Tennes, on 30 July 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

So many turn arounds during the end of the day. Scum were definitely active. Tellan is sure thing to come up scum in my eyes almost 100% on him. Whereas Lio is now 50/50, Lio's vote on Osseric looked scummy, yet Tellan voted for Lio (could have been distancing) but when it came down to it removed and went for Osseric instead. I'm thinking Lio could be town and Kaschan is Tellan's partner. Too much negative play from Kaschan, not enough participation yet he is active at the right times. For me I get a good feeling from Sorrit, Atrahal and Telas. Kalse I am thinking could be town or symp. If Kaschan isn't Tellan's partner then it is Rashan. If Tellan is innocent then my scum dar is totally off this game and I deserve to get lynched and banned from playing the next few games. Somethings amiss anyway. So I have a bunch of posts below from yesterday (game day)

[Sorrit]

 Rashan, on 26 July 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

One thing I'm noticing as I'm reading through is that we all seem to have rather different ideas on what happened with yesterdays lynch. It's being described by different people as either a hurried lynch at the end of the day or one that built up too fast with plenty of time to spare. When I get back I'll take another look at this, but it might be good idea to take a look and establish some sort consensus, since people are working it into their cases.

I think it's fairly well established that most of the late people were on the train for the sake of not missing a lynch on day 1. I know it's a bit meta but in smaller games we have sometimes missed lynches just because people were not on in the later part of the day and that's incredibly frustrating hoping that the last few votes will trickle in as day starts timing out.


The case on Atrahal seems to consist of 'voting shenanigans!' but if that's the case I'd like to see why people think his behaviour is off, rather just stating that they believe it so.

I'm interested in this Tellen thing, since he's getting pressure from two sources, Eloth who votes, doesn't really explain and then leaves, and D'riss who built a fairly decent day 1 case on Tellen, which sadly would have been much better if it hadn't been 4 hours before the end of day. So I'd like more explanation from Eloth about this.

And I'm off! See you a bit later.

Tellan defense?

[Sorrit]

Sorry, my last two posts were chopped way down for some reason. They were both really long. Not sure why they got cut.

[Sorrit]

Notepad screwed me. I'll re-get those posts from day 1 and 2 again in a bit. I was just going this route. Let's lynch someone who we can help either incriminate others, or clear others. We only need.to narrow it.down a bit.

If Tellan is scum, then it MAY be that atrahal and Kalse both cleared for him. I'll get the posts again. Kalse defended atrahal, and argued with Eloth over it. Eloth voted tellan day 2. Atrahal defends tellan day 2, but slightly, could be concerned town. Kalse never votes Tellan, but votes Liosan and Osseric.

I'm sorry, atrahal does vote tellan early day 1, but removes. Eloth thinks tellan very scummy day 2. Now he dont?

Kaschan, tellan Liosan, and Eloth on day 1 and day 2 lynches. Tennes only one on neither.

Atrahal goes after SL day 2.

[Sorrit]

So Eloth and Telas believe Kalse fake symped Tellan and Rashan? Interesting.

[Sorrit]

But he didn't fake clear Tellan?

[Sorrit]

If you two think he fake symped, then I doubt he'd mention any killers. He mentioned SL, dead, Kaschan, tellan.

He didn't mention me, Telas, atrahal, Eloth, or Rashan.

I can clear me, possibly clear Telas, his case, not clearing Eloth without testing tellan.

So it would be atrahal and Rashan if he fake symped. From MY view. You guys can't clear me, and shouldn't. We can't clear anyone without a GOOD INFO lynch.

Who's linked to the most people?

[Sorrit]

Plus he either symped Rashan and Tellan, or fake symped just tellan, imo. I was only Rashan vote, I think. Tellan only had 2, but I was talking with tennes about swapping, which would put him at 3. 3 of 6 is half way. Bad enough to make Roldy bug the fuck out.

I'm giving Roldy MoM if he scum wins or loses. He's got big brass balls to have attempted a psycho move like that. That cracker is fn' crazy! I dig it!

Anyway, if I live, I'm probably leaning tellan or Rashan still. I want to test this fake symp thing. If we miss, we can look at the other 3. If we hit, good for us.

[Tellan]

Jesus christ I have no clue what you're saying. Sorry, I'm just not following that stream of posts.

[Sorrit]

I only cleared tellan and Liosan because I thought Eloth was hinting at being the finder. Eloth wasn't it you who said you wouldn't vote Liosan if someone pointed a gun at you?

[Tellan]

Sorrit, are you scum?

[Sorrit]

 Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Jesus christ I have no clue what you're saying. Sorry, I'm just not following that stream of posts.

Just ignore them, they got cropped wrong. I've had 3 hours sleep. Ignore them. I should wait for night, anyway.

[Sorrit]

 Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Sorrit, are you scum?

Negative. Pure and innocent as the driven snow. But no one can really clear me. Or should. We are stuck looking everywhere.

[Telas]

I think that he was analyzing a few quotes, but his full analysis didn't copy-paste over properly. I'll let him flesh this out since I've had the same problem with sending things between notepad and the forum editor.