[Korvalain]

remove vote

Vote karosis

For now. Willing to switch, of course, but as I said, he seems a safer lynch than a rando.

[Anthras]

 Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

@Anthras: All I'm saying is that a few people are noted as potentially signaling. Then you throw down a few names and say that they are our most likely scum, including people who have previously garnered little to no discussion. Of the 3-4 people who have been discussed thus far, you omit all but 1 of them (even ones that were discussed in the context of Amp, the only 1 you kept in your list). What's your reasoning for omitting them but not Amp if you dislike day 1 signaling cases in general?

The list of people earlier had 5 posts each. That's it nothing more. The lowest posters of the game. All stuck in a little group together. Good place for scum to hide. Nothing about signalling or their posts

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 26 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Fener ( Anthras )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Sheltatha Lore ( Atrahal )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

----<>-----

Nevah happiah than when yee pets ar voting leik aw seprate an cheengin them leik electrified monkees on speed, man.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

[Kaschan]

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

 Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

@Anthras: All I'm saying is that a few people are noted as potentially signaling. Then you throw down a few names and say that they are our most likely scum, including people who have previously garnered little to no discussion. Of the 3-4 people who have been discussed thus far, you omit all but 1 of them (even ones that were discussed in the context of Amp, the only 1 you kept in your list). What's your reasoning for omitting them but not Amp if you dislike day 1 signaling cases in general?

The list of people earlier had 5 posts each. That's it nothing more. The lowest posters of the game. All stuck in a little group together. Good place for scum to hide. Nothing about signalling or their posts

Ok, that's fair enough, though I would've preferred if you had elucidated that reasoning initially. I especially dislike being targeted by a meta argument for something utterly innocuous.

[Anomandaris]

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

disagree, normally at this level of low TDMI/M&P the symp knows the killer, but the killer doesn't know his symp, that's why potential signalling is alarming - the symp must identify himself to the killer without being caught

which is dangerous and never works or i haven't seen it.

It is not so much the potential signalling that worried me about the Ampelas interaction, it was more the fact she said one thing, denied she had implied anything and then turned it round on another player. It just strikes me as off behaviour and a possible attempt at setting someone else up.

Edit - taking away laughing smiley which was hit by accident.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 17 July 2012 - 01:15 PM

[Silanah]

Geez, trying to find anything useful in Day 1 posts this game is like trying to pull teeth with an eyebrow plucker!

No one has really posted any useful content except Ano, Anthras, Kaschan, myself, Korv and Karosis (apologies if I am missing someone). That being said, PS blatantly stated he wanted to see lots of spam and videos and crap, so I am less inclined to look at those non-contenters right away. For now, I'm liking Karosis best. I realize that in one of these M&P style games, there is almost always a symp, but there was no mention of one in the OP, and Karosis was the first to bring it up. The fact that he's implying that I must be symping Anthras makes me uncomfortable, so I will

vote Karosis

[Karosis]

This is more like it.

Silanah - I was saying that the best reason in my mind for Day 1 signal is for a symp to use to get some attention. That's actually someone else's case. This idea is getting shouted down all over, no big deal. You say "there is always a symp" in one of these games, but since Tapper didn't tell you about it, my mere mention of it is voteworthy? And I never implied you were the symp.

[Karosis]

 Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote karosis

For now. Willing to switch, of course, but as I said, he seems a safer lynch than a rando.

Translation: Leave my buddy Kaschan alone!

[Tapper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 58 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Fener ( Anthras )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Sheltatha Lore ( Atrahal )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit )
2 Votes for Karosis ( Korvalain, Silanah )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

---<>---

Karosis, me pet, yar populaw wiv the crowd, dawling.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 17 July 2012 - 01:37 PM

[Kaschan]

@Karosis: You disappeared after Anthras questioned why you hopped on my train based on just his word, which was cross-posted with your suspicion over my own cross-post with yourself. Yet just a few minutes after you get voted you come back, still having left Anthras' questions unaddressed.

edit: not a few minutes, my b. But my point about anthras stands.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 17 July 2012 - 01:33 PM

[Karosis]

thanks, PS, nobody likes to hear the alarm clock ring, that's why it gets smacked



EDIT: spelling fail

This post has been edited by Karosis: 17 July 2012 - 01:37 PM

[Karosis]

 Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

@Karosis: You disappeared after Anthras questioned why you hopped on my train based on just his word, which was cross-posted with your suspicion over my own cross-post with yourself. Yet just a few minutes after you get voted you come back, still having left Anthras' questions unaddressed.

edit: not a few minutes, my b. But my point about anthras stands.

What?

This from the guy who disappeared after lurking before leaving to come lurk some more and then cross post a lot when he got voted?

I've got to get something done, or they won't pay me!

Would Anthras' question you refer to be the one YOU CONFIRMED already with your defensive post?

[Anthras]

 Anomandaris, on 17 July 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

disagree, normally at this level of low TDMI/M&P the symp knows the killer, but the killer doesn't know his symp, that's why potential signalling is alarming - the symp must identify himself to the killer without being caught

which is dangerous and never works or i haven't seen it.

It is not so much the potential signalling that worried me about the Ampelas interaction, it was more the fact she said one thing, denied she had implied anything and then turned it round on another player. It just strikes me as off behaviour and a possible attempt at setting someone else up.

Edit - taking away laughing smiley which was hit by accident.

Fair enough, I agree that we cannot vote off Kasch over anything Meta so we'll just have to take a look at that and look for any oddities or keep an eye out anyway.

I'm never good at day one cases so i'm willing to have a look at this, are you implying that Amp is scum? Or not?

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Path-Shaper, on 16 July 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Good morning, contestants! Welcome to the first, and hopefully only, Malazan talent show!
Never seen one? Haven't been paying attention to how we got to these last 14 contestants?
Well, here's your introduction to everything you'll need to know about it.




And believe me, it would only be worse if it was done in Tyneside accent.

 Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far. I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible. It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful.

Sorrit, Kaschan (who was on before but didn't post), Ano amp and Korv are the ones that are most likely to harbour some scum. You cannot prove that with Kaschan but he was definitely naked and on thread earlier.

I'm voting fener for lack of posts but that was just to try and prod him into action.

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

 Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

disagree, normally at this level of low TDMI/M&P the symp knows the killer, but the killer doesn't know his symp, that's why potential signalling is alarming - the symp must identify himself to the killer without being caught

Nothing anywhere said anything about there being a symp, so I think you're just making an assumption based on previous games. Or you're a symp and accidentally put that out there. As it stands, I don't believe there's any reason to signal anyone. Not to mention I have to agree with Anthras re: signalling never working. If the signal is obvious enough for the killers to pick it up, it's almost definitely obvious enough for the rest of thread to pick it up. And honestly, just cherry picking one of the many possible 'signalling' posts out of all the Day 1 spam is as weak a case as you can get, as far as I am concerned. I know I currently fall into the group of low-ish posters, but I did not feel the need to over-spam the Day 1 crap. I made a couple of 'video' posts and crap like that, then left it at that. Heck, one of my posts even makes a small case against someone (i.e. Spite) rather than just being spam. I'm making an effort to actually play the game and you're willing to lynch me for it?

You know what else we don't see in the OP is anything about their being killers in this game. This could be one of the M/P games that has no scum.

Talking about possible symps in a M/P game is perfectly acceptable. Talking about a FM cult recruiter with 3 BP's and a lynch redirect is not. This your indignation is poorly placed and looks rather shoddy. In the midst of a bunch of posts to get the game going this post stands out to me.

Vote Silanah.

[Kaschan]

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far. I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible. It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful.

Sorrit, Kaschan (who was on before but didn't post), Ano amp and Korv are the ones that are most likely to harbour some scum. You cannot prove that with Kaschan but he was definitely naked and on thread earlier.

I'm voting fener for lack of posts but that was just to try and prod him into action.

Especially since you're the focus of one, right? just kidding, I know our Day 1 signal cases provide little in the way of accuracy, but the thread is actually showing some life.

Kaschan lurking, that's interesting.

Vote Kaschan

Let's hear some explanations, yo

we cannot lynch based on this though can we? You're only taking my word for it unless someone else seen it? The reason I mentioned it is because before lunch I was posting asking if anyone was around and then I scrolled down and his name was there. So I left for lunch expecting him to have posted when I come back but nothing.

 Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

 Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

@Karosis: You disappeared after Anthras questioned why you hopped on my train based on just his word, which was cross-posted with your suspicion over my own cross-post with yourself. Yet just a few minutes after you get voted you come back, still having left Anthras' questions unaddressed.

edit: not a few minutes, my b. But my point about anthras stands.

What?

This from the guy who disappeared after lurking before leaving to come lurk some more and then cross post a lot when he got voted?

I've got to get something done, or they won't pay me!

Would Anthras' question you refer to be the one YOU CONFIRMED already with your defensive post?

This one. You questioned me because I cross-posted with you. Then you cross-post with Anthras and fail to answer his question which was right above your own post. You didn't come back for almost an hour. I explained myself after you and Anthras made an entirely meta argument against me based entirely on my failure to log in as anonymous during a 30-second check on my phone. In fact, Anthras pointed it out, you got riled up about it, then disappeared while the two of us discussed it. What's up with that?

[Kaschan]

To clarify: Anthras basically asked why you were so eager to jump on that based exclusively on his word.

[Tapper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 58 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Fener ( Anthras )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Sheltatha Lore ( Atrahal )
2 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore )
2 Votes for Karosis ( Korvalain, Silanah )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

---<>---

Leik yer pictchere, Silanah. Their's just jewlous of yer dress.

[Silanah]

 Sheltatha Lore, on 17 July 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

You know what else we don't see in the OP is anything about their being killers in this game. This could be one of the M/P games that has no scum.

Talking about possible symps in a M/P game is perfectly acceptable. Talking about a FM cult recruiter with 3 BP's and a lynch redirect is not. This your indignation is poorly placed and looks rather shoddy. In the midst of a bunch of posts to get the game going this post stands out to me.

Vote Silanah.

He wasn't really talking about possible symps, he was acting as if it was a given that there was a symp. Like I said, I agree that there probably is one, it just struck me as weird that Karosis would come out of nowhere and state blatantly there is one. I don't really see where you got 'indignation' from, I was simply pointing out facts as they appear to me on thread. I don't really understand your vote against me - it seems like you're angry at me for speculating on whether or not there actually is a symp, something you state in the very same post is perfectly acceptable.

[Anomandaris]

I have to get to work and honestly most of the votes already i don't feel particularly good about, I'd rather not vote randomly, so I am going to stick with my uneasiness over Korbas' play. It might not be much but there is hardly a lot of stellar cases going around and it is the first uneasiness I've felt. Also, Korv coming on and thinking the opposite was suspicious and going from a Fener vote to that makes me want to put my vote here.

Vote Korbas

Also, I just realised I said Ampleas in my last post instead of Korbas, no time to fix as I am running a bit late. I'd have liked to have been around more to have a chance to change my vote if Korbas comes back on but it is not to be.

[Anthras]

Everyone seems to be defending each other and it is giving me a headache.