[Ampelas]

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far. I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible. It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful.

Sorrit, Kaschan (who was on before but didn't post), Ano amp and Korv are the ones that are most likely to harbour some scum. You cannot prove that with Kaschan but he was definitely naked and on thread earlier.

I'm voting fener for lack of posts but that was just to try and prod him into action.

"Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far." -> Yes we have.

"I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible." -> You just contradicted yourself: if they are being careful and avoiding day 1, they wouldn't start a tenuous signaling train like you are suggesting.

"It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful. " -> Why? Why are you doubtful of this? You already know who the scum are and so know that Kalse and Fener aren't them? Please share, then!


So what we've got here is Anthras, who spent the first three pages of the game just spamming stupid videos, making absolutely no contribution to the game at all but padding up his post count, and now suddenly he is completely serious business and has the game all figured out, eager to be arrogant and chastise everyone else for having a different opinion in order to look like a well-playing townie. But to me that just reeks of scum arrogance, not paying enough attention to what they are saying because it is day 1.

Alternatively, he's a townie who just randomly assumes things, changing it up each sentence (see above), which is almost just as bad.

Vote Anthras

[Ampelas]

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

FFS, you've never heard of a symp? Go read tapper's mafia introduction thread, it's pinned to the mafia forum for a reason. Or you're just being ludicrously obtuse.

[Kaschan]

Also, the first sentence in that Korbas post I just quoted makes no sense to me whatsoever. She posted a video that reminded herself of Simon Cowell? What?

[Ampelas]

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

disagree, normally at this level of low TDMI/M&P the symp knows the killer, but the killer doesn't know his symp, that's why potential signalling is alarming - the symp must identify himself to the killer without being caught

which is dangerous and never works or i haven't seen it.

It happens, and it works all the time, which is why killers look for it on day 1 in the first place. If it never worked, no one would do it, and therefore we'd never bother with day 1 signaling cases.

Eugh, you're muddying the water so much anthras, just vomiting out shit that you pretend to know but are completely wrong.

[Atrahal]

I am here. Give me a minute to catch up. Just in case we're short on time I'll get rid of my joke vote.

remove vote

[Anthras]

Fair enough. When? When have we not lynched a townie day one because of someone finding a signalling case?

Do you think Kasch is innocent?

Kasch is being careful with his posts. What are you saying here?

Well if Kalse and Fener are scum and haven't posted all day then that is as shitty as it gets. They should be modkilled so avoid them until something is clarified for us or they start posting and we can ask them why.



It's not about the first few pages. PS said he wanted all that shit. Day one you can interact and spam away but when shit gets serious or time counts down, it is time to get serious and look for scum. It's easy to lay low and point out the high poster with all his posts. He has a lot more than most so should be easy to pick him apart.

[Anthras]

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

FFS, you've never heard of a symp? Go read tapper's mafia introduction thread, it's pinned to the mafia forum for a reason. Or you're just being ludicrously obtuse.

fuck me and read up.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 37 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Anthras )
2 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore )
2 Votes for Karosis ( Korvalain, Silanah )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Anomandaris )
1 vote for Anthras ( Ampelas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Spite

---<>----

Whaitaminnit, that taim cannae be reit, reit?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 July 2012 - 03:09 PM

[Ampelas]

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

You know. Fuck it. No one is mentioning the elephant in the room. Korvalian. He is obviously the symp or is acting that way. His erratic play since coming back is telling.

There are a few votes out there and I cannot follow his vote.

Silanah did and has been pointed out as potential scum. I don't agree with this yet.

Who is Korv symping though? Kaschan? Korbas?

I don't see at all what you are talking about, but either way, if you really think Korv is a symp you don't fucking bring it up.

"Who is Korv symping though? Kaschan? Korbas?" -> FUCKING EXACTLY. YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW. So don't openly speculate on it, therefore indicating to the symp that you are watching their every move. You say nothing, build a case on someone else, and you watch them. Did they vote right after someone? Maybe following their master's vote. Do they deflect the case or defend the target? Then maybe your case is on a killer.

But what the hell does putting a bunch of K names with question marks in a post get you? NOTHING.

[Anthras]

someone has horse blinkers on!

[Anthras]

dkt style catching up.

[Anthras]

Time right now PS?

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Korbas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

That was, without a doubt, the most boring rendition of the first three pages of a mafia game I have ever read. It was just a non-sensical blabber of filth that makes me want to shove salmon into my eyes just so they have a better reason to be bleeding.

There are so, so many famous mafiartists who have perfected the day 1 spamfest. Why don't you try to idolize Lisheo or Jump Around? You think you're better than them?

Instead, you just subjected me to your own ridiculous opener, which was just a bunch of youtube links vomited onto a page. It's a waste of my time, and if you had any talent it'd be a waste of yours.

I vote NO.

And the dick of all dicks has arrived. I hope you are happy Jane.

You can argue I'm a dick all you like, it doesn't make your performance better.

Posting a series of links to youtube videos is not the kind of performance that will benefit us at all further down the line in this competition.

You mean the one video introducing myself and bringing back all those hideous memories of your abuse? Very tacky as usual Simon. I'm glad I have an opportunity to rid the world of you this time around.

Vote Ampelas

See the bolded bits. Amp, you made what could be read as a genuine criticism of day 1 spam, but there's also some joking RP thrown in your post as well, that Korbas reciprocated with a reference to your avatar. This is before the death threat stuff.

Ok, I see it? What about it?

[Atrahal]

So what I get with the last couple pages it that we have three choices when aiming for scum, at least, three options that have been mentioned already.

One choice being low posters. Scum often lay low, especially if they aren't called out. If they are lurking when these 'cases' are made against them, it usually prompts a response. If too defensive, it's possible that we got a scum.

Second option is to look for sympage. I can't recall the player names (I'll reread the thread once again and get the people straight after breakfast). This is a possible case, and doesn't necessarily rely on posting time comparisons, which are occasionally accurate but more often than not a dangerous proposition early game.

Third option is signalling. I suppose this is possible, but there is quite a bit of spam to sift through on the first few pages, and most seems meaningless.

On day one I'm more inclined to favour the symp option. Signalling cases are weak day one, but I'm sure they will become more prevalent, and undoubtedly more probable, as the game progresses. Low posters. well, scum often try to stay off the radar, but there were a few mentions of low posting players during the sign up so I'm not necessarily ready to vote a low poster at this point of the game. Low posting only becomes more suspicious as the game goes on, so we'll keep our eyes open I'm sure.

We have two hours so I'm going to go through the last couple pages of posts again and throw down a vote.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Ok, I see it? What about it?

That's why the exchange is being described as a joke-spat and potentially a signal.

[Korvalain]

Heading to the gym. Maybe posting from, depends how busy it is.

[Silanah]

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

So what I get with the last couple pages it that we have three choices when aiming for scum, at least, three options that have been mentioned already.

One choice being low posters. Scum often lay low, especially if they aren't called out. If they are lurking when these 'cases' are made against them, it usually prompts a response. If too defensive, it's possible that we got a scum.

Second option is to look for sympage. I can't recall the player names (I'll reread the thread once again and get the people straight after breakfast). This is a possible case, and doesn't necessarily rely on posting time comparisons, which are occasionally accurate but more often than not a dangerous proposition early game.

Third option is signalling. I suppose this is possible, but there is quite a bit of spam to sift through on the first few pages, and most seems meaningless.

On day one I'm more inclined to favour the symp option. Signalling cases are weak day one, but I'm sure they will become more prevalent, and undoubtedly more probable, as the game progresses. Low posters. well, scum often try to stay off the radar, but there were a few mentions of low posting players during the sign up so I'm not necessarily ready to vote a low poster at this point of the game. Low posting only becomes more suspicious as the game goes on, so we'll keep our eyes open I'm sure.

We have two hours so I'm going to go through the last couple pages of posts again and throw down a vote.

Seeing as only a symp would likely have to signal on Day 1 in a M&P, options 2 and 3 are basically the same.

[Path-Shaper]

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Time right now PS?

Posting 6 minutes after my last vote count is easy math.

[Silanah]

Hour and a half till lynch, I smell a no-lynch, and that makes me sad!

I am around, so will move my vote if necessary to get a lynch, but for now I still like Karosis best.

[Korvalain]

Willing to switch to anyone to get a lynch.

Side note, squatz do them thinkymeatz wonders