[Thyrllan]

Liosan, on 11 July 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

You lynched me because of FF6 fucking meta game shit? Where a hag was a fucking recruiter???????????

FUCK YOU ALL. THAT IS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING REASONING I HAVE EVER READ.

well, there was more to it than that.....

[Kalse]

Osseric, on 11 July 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 10 July 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 10 July 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Still just one scum guys. following that lynch.

What does that mean. If one of the resses was scum, that would have made 2 scum at least. So either Liosan was scum, or neither Ruse nor Anom in Emur was scum. Unless CF only applies to body. Becuase sorry Kaschan, if Ruse and Anom were both town, that means you and Barghast were scum.

??????????????????????
First time i have seen anything like this.

Don't forget that the FM may actually not be a scum role, which means that if Emur was replaced by the FM, the count could still be right.

[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on 11 July 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on 11 July 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

You lynched me because of FF6 fucking meta game shit? Where a hag was a fucking recruiter???????????

FUCK YOU ALL. THAT IS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING REASONING I HAVE EVER READ.

well, there was more to it than that.....

Bullshit. Those fucking lines lit up after that bullshit. And the fact that you think I was LYING when I didn't tell a single fucking lie.

So fuck you all and you fucking blow.

[Liosan]

I can't use my ability in here and fuck if I feel like helping you assholes anyway.

FF6. Jesus fucking Christ.

Lists will be made on that shit.

[Liosan]

I'm going to leave before I say shit I'll regret.

I'm not going to help your patheticly fucking rationalized lynches with my fucking votes.

[Kaschan]

Kalse, on 11 July 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Osseric, on 11 July 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 10 July 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 10 July 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Still just one scum guys. following that lynch.

What does that mean. If one of the resses was scum, that would have made 2 scum at least. So either Liosan was scum, or neither Ruse nor Anom in Emur was scum. Unless CF only applies to body. Becuase sorry Kaschan, if Ruse and Anom were both town, that means you and Barghast were scum.

??????????????????????
First time i have seen anything like this.

Don't forget that the FM may actually not be a scum role, which means that if Emur was replaced by the FM, the count could still be right.

Uh Kalse, the FM is still with us as Bargy for some reason.

Emur is right now Lily Garamonde, and Anom is right now Amee Najayin.

And Ruse is ElaidaRuta.

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on 11 July 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

I'm going to leave before I say shit I'll regret.

I'm not going to help your patheticly fucking rationalized lynches with my fucking votes.

For God's sake man, get a hold of yourself. We are trying to reason out who is who, and trying to guess at D'rek's mechanics, which are probably based off of FF6. My current theory is that the purple haired woman is the cult leader. But I'm working through the threads again and organizing my info on a big paper chart here at home. Work with us here hag.

[Liosan]

Why don't you think it is D'riss?

SL, D'riss, Tellan, Telas, and Rashan are the other remaining players.

From what I've read, SL, Telas, Rashan, and Tellan have at all time CIed as town to someone. Leaving one remaining player who could be the original and the not having to move cult recruiter.

Process of elimination.

[Liosan]

Kalse, on 10 July 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nor do I. Isn't he the other suspect?

Ok. We have some decisions to make here.

According to my lover, as of last night Tellan was an adventurer (town). Following our current logic, Liosan is the last cult and the recruiter. This dovetails nicely with everything we think we know, despite the clusterfuck on thread. I can also confirm the Eloth -> Anom switch.

Also...my lover said that Liosan has the ability to "take hostages". Sounds not-town to me, and could very well be the recruiter role, but my lover did not get his alignment.

Based on the lynch we saw, I think we can possibly trust Osseric at this point. Osseric, start talking so we can believe you and get some information to pull this together.

If my lover has been recruited or is somehow the cult leader, then I've been misled the whole game and we're fucked, but I have good reason to believe that is not the case and that this information is solid.

That is true. It is the doppelganger ability. Weird name, I know.

[Kaschan]

FUCK FUCK FUCK

HOW DID WE MISS THIS?

Anomandaris, on 06 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 July 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

so who are you?

I'm an alignment finder.
I found Shelly day one and Rashan day two. They both came back inno.

Also sadly I can't do finds from here.

Anomandaris, on 09 July 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 July 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Even if you think Rashan is the little boy btw, nothing says he hasn't inherited the cult esper. Are we thinking that cul;t has 2 alive players? Then I think you can rule out Emurlahn and myself if I get resurrected. That would leave minimum of 2 out of the remaining players to be cult. If they recruit and we lose a town how many would that leave at the start of the next day? You signal in here who is the FM, we leave him alone ie don't vote for him. That would narrow the possibility of who the remaining cult would be. He lays his target down tonight so we don't know who he will take down (maybe emurlahn who is prime for recruitment tonight). So we decide out of the remaining players who is most likely to have the cult esper (in my opinion that would be either D'riss or Rashan after Osseric) . So we lynch Ozzy today leaving one of the others for tomorrow. Holes in my argument? Fill them for me before this day times out!!

I found Rashan to be an adventurer last night, so we know that he doesn't have the cult Esper right now. And Kalse says that D'riss is unlikely to be the Esper.
So my main suspects for the scum Esper right now are Osseric, Liosan and Tellan.

[Kaschan]

This changes everything, right? Does that mean Rashan is our sleeper scum? And now Ano is back down there as Emur. FUCK!

[Liosan]

I have no idea. I couldn't follow all your guys bullshit in the 3 hours it took me to read the thread after dying. Were both statements made in Spectre thread prior to Ano going back into the game?

[Kaschan]

Ok, so what I'm trying to figure out now is the added complexity of failed Cult recruitment. What if the reason my cult numbers haven't been increasing is that cult has been blocked each turn of the way? I mean, I've been assuming we've been killing cult because of the FM, but what about this: the FM is always dead when I get my cult find, so he could still be cult and move around without effecting my numbers.

That could explain why his latest 2 kills have come up scum, cause he is scum... just one I can't pick up on. And maybe that is why he is hiding out in SH now. He's getting a lot of info, why leave?


And that brings me to Anomander (aka Lily Garamonde, our seductress with no fear in her eyes, and with no hair color that she knew of.... yeah right sandy haired lady). The only time my cult count has dropped was inbetween lynch #2 and lynch #3. In that time period only two people died, Anomander and Osseric (and of course the FM). Of those two, at least 1 is scum, has to be for my scum count to drop. I think it was Anomander, and now with that lie, I'm more certain of it. And he was clearing Rashan...

So Rashan, he revealed, right? We said, yeah he's got to be inno. We discount him and give him even more leeway when Anom confirms the little boy's innocent with his alignment finder skill. Really?

We've been played.

Vote Rashan

And this means that we will need to watch the FM. Brujah, you want a chance to prove yourself? Kill Rashan before we do.

Edit: Highlighted in Bright Red. This has to be my most important post of the game. PLEASE COMMENT

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 July 2012 - 02:30 AM

[Kaschan]

Wait, I have to wait for the end of night to vote. fuck.

[Kaschan]

Kaschan, on 11 July 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

FUCK FUCK FUCK

HOW DID WE MISS THIS?

Anomandaris, on 06 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 July 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

so who are you?

I'm an alignment finder.
I found Shelly day one and Rashan day two. They both came back inno.

Also sadly I can't do finds from here.

Anomandaris, on 09 July 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 July 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Even if you think Rashan is the little boy btw, nothing says he hasn't inherited the cult esper. Are we thinking that cul;t has 2 alive players? Then I think you can rule out Emurlahn and myself if I get resurrected. That would leave minimum of 2 out of the remaining players to be cult. If they recruit and we lose a town how many would that leave at the start of the next day? You signal in here who is the FM, we leave him alone ie don't vote for him. That would narrow the possibility of who the remaining cult would be. He lays his target down tonight so we don't know who he will take down (maybe emurlahn who is prime for recruitment tonight). So we decide out of the remaining players who is most likely to have the cult esper (in my opinion that would be either D'riss or Rashan after Osseric) . So we lynch Ozzy today leaving one of the others for tomorrow. Holes in my argument? Fill them for me before this day times out!!

I found Rashan to be an adventurer last night, so we know that he doesn't have the cult Esper right now. And Kalse says that D'riss is unlikely to be the Esper.
So my main suspects for the scum Esper right now are Osseric, Liosan and Tellan.

Ah, no lie here, but I still think my theory has a lot of weight. Just preempting the comment that she did both finds during her life...



Edit: double AH, how did she find Rashan's alignment if he was using puppy eyes that night?

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 July 2012 - 02:36 AM

[Kaschan]

Please some talk to me, I've been thinking to long, and my poor cooked little brain =

[Barghast]

Anom died day 3. When she said that it was day 3. She said night 1 SL was town, and Night 2 Rashan. But that don't mean she was yelling the truth. I mean I did kill her becuase you guys said the sandy haired woman clutching the barbarian seemed scummy. So you may be right.

So we have 2 cult instead of 1? Unless you've been lying to us. If you've lied about cult numbers this whole time it'll really screw us over. Wouldn't that make it the cult recruiter AND Anom then? That would be 2. You're either purposely confusing us or something ain't right.

I think Driss is the purple haired woman. Liosan and you both think she's CL why? She is the only living person to vote for Liosan lynch. Liosan were you trying to take Rashan hostage with that illusion?

Kalse don't you think Driss is clear, though?

Unless Telas is the purple haired and Driss is barbarian?

Tellan is the one in the NS said she knew the bars would lift, but the scholar never said that.

Don't it have to be either SL, Driss, Rashan, Telas or Tellan?

Something seems odd about Tellan. She hardly made any cases. Rashan and SL are best guesses for best place to hide a CL. We dismiss a child and a man in white robes as good.

Tellan was cleared as town, Rashan and Telas and SL cleared as town, and Driss was doing the clearing.

So ill follow you guys with whoever. But how did you get one scum count of Anom and CL are scum?

[Kaschan]

Barghast, on 11 July 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Anom died day 3. When she said that it was day 3. She said night 1 SL was town, and Night 2 Rashan. But that don't mean she was yelling the truth. I mean I did kill her becuase you guys said the sandy haired woman clutching the barbarian seemed scummy. So you may be right.

So we have 2 cult instead of 1? Unless you've been lying to us. If you've lied about cult numbers this whole time it'll really screw us over. Wouldn't that make it the cult recruiter AND Anom then? That would be 2. You're either purposely confusing us or something ain't right.

I think Driss is the purple haired woman. Liosan and you both think she's CL why? She is the only living person to vote for Liosan lynch. Liosan were you trying to take Rashan hostage with that illusion?

Kalse don't you think Driss is clear, though?

Unless Telas is the purple haired and Driss is barbarian?

Tellan is the one in the NS said she knew the bars would lift, but the scholar never said that.

Don't it have to be either SL, Driss, Rashan, Telas or Tellan?

Something seems odd about Tellan. She hardly made any cases. Rashan and SL are best guesses for best place to hide a CL. We dismiss a child and a man in white robes as good.

Tellan was cleared as town, Rashan and Telas and SL cleared as town, and Driss was doing the clearing.

So ill follow you guys with whoever. But how did you get one scum count of Anom and CL are scum?

I get the scum count right after a lynch. So between those two lynches, my scum count dropped from 2 to 1 (the only time it has dropped all game long). It is still 1 after that last lynch.

And Anom didn't return to the main thread till after my scum count, so she wouldn't show up on it. Plus, we have no explanation for her sudden switch with Amee who was Emur until Anom took over that body.

[Liosan]

Barghast, on 11 July 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Anom died day 3. When she said that it was day 3. She said night 1 SL was town, and Night 2 Rashan. But that don't mean she was yelling the truth. I mean I did kill her becuase you guys said the sandy haired woman clutching the barbarian seemed scummy. So you may be right.

So we have 2 cult instead of 1? Unless you've been lying to us. If you've lied about cult numbers this whole time it'll really screw us over. Wouldn't that make it the cult recruiter AND Anom then? That would be 2. You're either purposely confusing us or something ain't right.

I think Driss is the purple haired woman. Liosan and you both think she's CL why? She is the only living person to vote for Liosan lynch. Liosan were you trying to take Rashan hostage with that illusion?

Kalse don't you think Driss is clear, though?

Unless Telas is the purple haired and Driss is barbarian?

Tellan is the one in the NS said she knew the bars would lift, but the scholar never said that.

Don't it have to be either SL, Driss, Rashan, Telas or Tellan?

Something seems odd about Tellan. She hardly made any cases. Rashan and SL are best guesses for best place to hide a CL. We dismiss a child and a man in white robes as good.

Tellan was cleared as town, Rashan and Telas and SL cleared as town, and Driss was doing the clearing.

So ill follow you guys with whoever. But how did you get one scum count of Anom and CL are scum?

To clarify: the "hostage" is the doppelganger I create of myself. Actions that would have gone to me, then go to the doppelganger. Finder information (such as the hag) would still come back as me obviously, with some other weird mechanics we can get into if they get my alt name etc. I chose to use Tellan as my doppelganger, replacing him with my clone. All actions that should have gone to me were directed at him. It is why I confronted Rashan on thread as to what he wanted at night. I didn't do anything with him.

[Barghast]

Kaschan are you sure? You're the one that told me to vote for Thyrllan, so I did. You guys said kill sandy hair lady, I did. Said vote Osseric when I thought it was Tellan, I did. Said vote Liosan, I did.

So now Rashan? If you're sure say so. If you've been getting us to kill town on purpose though, it will become obvious sooner or later. And the ONLY time I died in my own body I did NOT CF scum.

So point, and ill vote/kill. Be fucking sure this time guys.