[Serc]

Lots of x-posting going on.

[D'riss]

Osseric, on 05 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Do you read my posts?
I gave my reasoning for why he isn't scum above.

Are you referring to me? By referring I mean talking to me.


Editted for clarity.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 05 July 2012 - 06:18 PM

[Osseric]

No,i was speaking with Serc.




Edit:i should really add some @Serc and @whoever to my posts.

This post has been edited by Osseric: 05 July 2012 - 06:18 PM

[Anomandaris]

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Also, Anomandaris, would you restate all your thoughts for choosing Osseric again, please?

If you don't mind.

In short it is that Kaschan comes on and completely ignores that Osseric didn't vote for him. He doesn't even so much as mention him, even though Osseric was the topic of the thread just before Kaschan shows up and that he later analyses the lynch train.
Kaschan also reveals and starts analysing the scenes, which nicely distracts everyone from the whole Osseric thing that was going on.

I think that Kaschan might have been recruited over night and that Osseric is the recruiter.

doesn't make sense to me, why would Osseric recruit someone he had just quite visibly not voted for, and could be associated with easily

Because no one would consider the possibility, maybe. I'm not saying that my case is based on much, but I don't see anything that is really better either.

[Anomandaris]

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

[Osseric]

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

actually,there is no case against Thyr. only that 3 dead guys voted him and that MAYBE lynching him will give us some info about how to kill people.

@PS: Do town win when all scum are in spectre thread?

[Serc]

Osseric, on 05 July 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

No,i was speaking with Serc.

Sorry, bro. Everyone posted so close together.

I can understand you FEELING that Thyrllan is mustard, but you seem to have dismissed him altogether. Only scum can dismiss someone totally. It just seems odd to me, that's all.

I'm sorry, Osseric what else can I say?

Also, people. I don't know if I can be on later, so I'm trying to pour everything I can in now. I'd also like to leave with my vote somewhere it can help. I don't think I can be on for timeout.

But most importantly people, the biggest change to our way to go about things is changed dramatically with the randomynch on a no lynch.

I've submitted all I can for now. I'll go with whatever seems best.

[Thyrllan]

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

D, on 05 July 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 July 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Everyone lays on the ground, hands covering their faces, as shards of glass and stone ricochet overhead in a deadly hail. Most are silent, but one member of the group shrieks loudly and audibly.

"GHOST! GHOST! THERE'S A SHADE ATTACKING ME!"

Some concerned adventurers peek around between their fingers, but they don't see any ghosts. Well, that shrieking woman seemed pretty weird anyways - darker skinned than seems possible and dressed in desert robes despite the cold winds that come to Moll from the Stormrider straits? Yup, definitely just a crazy, they thought and went back to huddling in the fetal position.

this is who Tellan is

darker skinned than seems possible woudl suggest Dal Hon/Tiste Andii--not necessaritly Seven Cities.

Votes on Tellan were based off him being the 7C women clinging to the Barbarian. I'm not sure that is the case, and I wrote down as much.

believe it or not, I'm just trying to be useful.

I'm not sure what happens once you lynch me, but given i'm supposed to be a lich, I'm not sure that'll kill me. just throwing it out there.

Why do you think that everyone else in limbo are voting for you?

if I were to guess (and this is based on my previous recollection of the one other TMDI 10+ game that involved mechanics that are loosely similar), they may htink one of them would be next to come back.

I'm not sure if my role offers me any additional protection from the Bahamut. I know my Lord really doesn't like them. But I don't know the extent of my efficacy in helping the rest of you against them.

or they may just be a spiteful lot

Perhaps. You still made it sound earlier as if your just a normal townie. Now it seems you're saying you're more. You claim to help us against scum, but what if you're recruited? You claiming immunity from being recruited? If so you would indeed be a valuable ally. But with those 3 dead people unable to refute anything, it's still only possibilities. I sort of believe you, but I can't understand why Eloth, Fener, and Kalse don't trust you. They can't all be cult can they? If we can believe Kaschan, he said there was two cult among us. If those 3 are cult that's 5, possible 6.

They came to a conclusive vote, though. That's what worries me.
remove vote

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe he can help us, but don't want to reveal how for some reason.

I'm not sure what the extents of my role are.
I started out town. However, unlike the rest of town (who are adventuring to raid some ruins), I was sent by the local Lich King to help town avoid getting enslaved. I have the same VC as town. However, it appears my mechanics may be different from regular town (given I started the game dead)

trust me, i'm just as confused as you are. I have told you all that I know so far.

[Thyrllan]

Osseric, on 05 July 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

actually,there is no case against Thyr. only that 3 dead guys voted him and that MAYBE lynching him will give us some info about how to kill people.

@PS: Do town win when all scum are in spectre thread?

like I said, people in the spectre thread don't count for Victory condition numbers.
As such, i'd say, yes, town would win.

[Osseric]

@SL
so from what thyr said,probably there is no way to entirely kill people and our VC is to have them all in Spectre thread.

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

Not really. Three votes from the biggest unknown of the game, the fact that he says he started dead and came from SH. I guess we have to believe he's Silanah, because Silanah could just vote and prove him wrong.

We at least had reason to pressure him, if not lynch him.

I think the pressure either worked, or he lied. Forgive those of us not happy with sitting back and letting everyone else do the work, which makes us all huge targets in the process. This isn't directed at you Ano, you at least provide an alternative when you say you dont feel the Thyrllan lynch.

[Barghast]

@Serc - I do find it odd, and most likely significant. I just don't know how. It is handy for adding to a train, and I can't help but feel it's scummy to use that to roll up a lynch - because we don't know what it means.


@D'riss - not accusations as much as speculation, it was just a thought that I had out of nowhere so I mentioned it. As long as it's not advertised as fact, I see no harm. And who said anything about setting up lynches for later?


@Ano - you're probably right, hadn't thought about it from that angle. If it were a one shot power or somehow limited it would be less unbalancing, but that is just speculation on top of speculation.

[Serc]

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

D, on 05 July 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 July 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Everyone lays on the ground, hands covering their faces, as shards of glass and stone ricochet overhead in a deadly hail. Most are silent, but one member of the group shrieks loudly and audibly.

"GHOST! GHOST! THERE'S A SHADE ATTACKING ME!"

Some concerned adventurers peek around between their fingers, but they don't see any ghosts. Well, that shrieking woman seemed pretty weird anyways - darker skinned than seems possible and dressed in desert robes despite the cold winds that come to Moll from the Stormrider straits? Yup, definitely just a crazy, they thought and went back to huddling in the fetal position.

this is who Tellan is

darker skinned than seems possible woudl suggest Dal Hon/Tiste Andii--not necessaritly Seven Cities.

Votes on Tellan were based off him being the 7C women clinging to the Barbarian. I'm not sure that is the case, and I wrote down as much.

believe it or not, I'm just trying to be useful.

I'm not sure what happens once you lynch me, but given i'm supposed to be a lich, I'm not sure that'll kill me. just throwing it out there.

Why do you think that everyone else in limbo are voting for you?

if I were to guess (and this is based on my previous recollection of the one other TMDI 10+ game that involved mechanics that are loosely similar), they may htink one of them would be next to come back.

I'm not sure if my role offers me any additional protection from the Bahamut. I know my Lord really doesn't like them. But I don't know the extent of my efficacy in helping the rest of you against them.

or they may just be a spiteful lot

Perhaps. You still made it sound earlier as if your just a normal townie. Now it seems you're saying you're more. You claim to help us against scum, but what if you're recruited? You claiming immunity from being recruited? If so you would indeed be a valuable ally. But with those 3 dead people unable to refute anything, it's still only possibilities. I sort of believe you, but I can't understand why Eloth, Fener, and Kalse don't trust you. They can't all be cult can they? If we can believe Kaschan, he said there was two cult among us. If those 3 are cult that's 5, possible 6.

They came to a conclusive vote, though. That's what worries me.
remove vote

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe he can help us, but don't want to reveal how for some reason.

I'm not sure what the extents of my role are.
I started out town. However, unlike the rest of town (who are adventuring to raid some ruins), I was sent by the local Lich King to help town avoid getting enslaved. I have the same VC as town. However, it appears my mechanics may be different from regular town (given I started the game dead)

trust me, i'm just as confused as you are. I have told you all that I know so far.

Now see, this I can buy. Sounds like blunt honesty. Or you're still lying. We just don't know. You said that Fener made a few jokes and laid down a vote, but did Eloth or Kalse say anything?

[Osseric]

@Barghast: I really think it's just the dead guys votes on their own opinions.cause thyr says when he was silanah he chose to vote kaschan for .....

[Anomandaris]

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

Not really. Three votes from the biggest unknown of the game, the fact that he says he started dead and came from SH. I guess we have to believe he's Silanah, because Silanah could just vote and prove him wrong.

We at least had reason to pressure him, if not lynch him.

I think the pressure either worked, or he lied. Forgive those of us not happy with sitting back and letting everyone else do the work, which makes us all huge targets in the process. This isn't directed at you Ano, you at least provide an alternative when you say you dont feel the Thyrllan lynch.

Could you please explain how voting after dead players who vote for unknown reasons is not speculation?

[Thyrllan]

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

D, on 05 July 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 July 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 July 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Everyone lays on the ground, hands covering their faces, as shards of glass and stone ricochet overhead in a deadly hail. Most are silent, but one member of the group shrieks loudly and audibly.

"GHOST! GHOST! THERE'S A SHADE ATTACKING ME!"

Some concerned adventurers peek around between their fingers, but they don't see any ghosts. Well, that shrieking woman seemed pretty weird anyways - darker skinned than seems possible and dressed in desert robes despite the cold winds that come to Moll from the Stormrider straits? Yup, definitely just a crazy, they thought and went back to huddling in the fetal position.

this is who Tellan is

darker skinned than seems possible woudl suggest Dal Hon/Tiste Andii--not necessaritly Seven Cities.

Votes on Tellan were based off him being the 7C women clinging to the Barbarian. I'm not sure that is the case, and I wrote down as much.

believe it or not, I'm just trying to be useful.

I'm not sure what happens once you lynch me, but given i'm supposed to be a lich, I'm not sure that'll kill me. just throwing it out there.

Why do you think that everyone else in limbo are voting for you?

if I were to guess (and this is based on my previous recollection of the one other TMDI 10+ game that involved mechanics that are loosely similar), they may htink one of them would be next to come back.

I'm not sure if my role offers me any additional protection from the Bahamut. I know my Lord really doesn't like them. But I don't know the extent of my efficacy in helping the rest of you against them.

or they may just be a spiteful lot

Perhaps. You still made it sound earlier as if your just a normal townie. Now it seems you're saying you're more. You claim to help us against scum, but what if you're recruited? You claiming immunity from being recruited? If so you would indeed be a valuable ally. But with those 3 dead people unable to refute anything, it's still only possibilities. I sort of believe you, but I can't understand why Eloth, Fener, and Kalse don't trust you. They can't all be cult can they? If we can believe Kaschan, he said there was two cult among us. If those 3 are cult that's 5, possible 6.

They came to a conclusive vote, though. That's what worries me.
remove vote

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe he can help us, but don't want to reveal how for some reason.

I'm not sure what the extents of my role are.
I started out town. However, unlike the rest of town (who are adventuring to raid some ruins), I was sent by the local Lich King to help town avoid getting enslaved. I have the same VC as town. However, it appears my mechanics may be different from regular town (given I started the game dead)

trust me, i'm just as confused as you are. I have told you all that I know so far.

Now see, this I can buy. Sounds like blunt honesty. Or you're still lying. We just don't know. You said that Fener made a few jokes and laid down a vote, but did Eloth or Kalse say anything?

I wasn't around same time they were. Yesterday by the time I got to work and was able to log on, I had the PM telling me to suit up as Thyr.
I see that Kalse is posting in SH, however.

[Thyrllan]

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

Not really. Three votes from the biggest unknown of the game, the fact that he says he started dead and came from SH. I guess we have to believe he's Silanah, because Silanah could just vote and prove him wrong.

We at least had reason to pressure him, if not lynch him.

I think the pressure either worked, or he lied. Forgive those of us not happy with sitting back and letting everyone else do the work, which makes us all huge targets in the process. This isn't directed at you Ano, you at least provide an alternative when you say you dont feel the Thyrllan lynch.

just to clarify: I did NOT come from Spoiler Heaven. IE, I did NOT get exposure to any mod posts revealing how the game works. All we had was the "spectre thread". I'm guessing the actual spoilers are locked away in the game dev forum. Last time we did somehting similar (Reality Dysfunction) the true spoilers were hosted on the temp forum SH.

[Serc]

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

@Serc - I do find it odd, and most likely significant. I just don't know how. It is handy for adding to a train, and I can't help but feel it's scummy to use that to roll up a lynch - because we don't know what it means.


@D'riss - not accusations as much as speculation, it was just a thought that I had out of nowhere so I mentioned it. As long as it's not advertised as fact, I see no harm. And who said anything about setting up lynches for later?


@Ano - you're probably right, hadn't thought about it from that angle. If it were a one shot power or somehow limited it would be less unbalancing, but that is just speculation on top of speculation.

Fair enough, bro. But this is why we NEED everyone. Any of us can get blinded by what we think. We really need to bounce ideas off of each other,not turn at each other. In fact it's just as likely that we're all wrong, and scum are lying low, hoping we take each other out. Case in point, last game. DiBs and Tattersail didn't emerge much until later in the game, after townies had built gut suspicions about each other that lasted until almost the end, and blinded them to the real scum.

Maybe we should wait and hear from these silent players like Rashan, Liosan, etc. Who else has been silent today ?

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 July 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I suspect that one of the 3 quick voters (Shelly, Serc, & D'riss) may have the power to wield the votes of the dead in SH to form a voting block

Well, all three votes were on different people originally... I don't know, I don't buy it, and I still think that a Thyrllan lynch will provide the most useful information.

I don't really like Ano's case against Osseric/Kaschan. It's based on lots of speculation, and hopeful of dodgy scum play. I highly doubt scum would so overtly protect each other that way.

The case on Thyr is based on speculation even more so, imho.

Not really. Three votes from the biggest unknown of the game, the fact that he says he started dead and came from SH. I guess we have to believe he's Silanah, because Silanah could just vote and prove him wrong.

We at least had reason to pressure him, if not lynch him.

I think the pressure either worked, or he lied. Forgive those of us not happy with sitting back and letting everyone else do the work, which makes us all huge targets in the process. This isn't directed at you Ano, you at least provide an alternative when you say you dont feel the Thyrllan lynch.

Could you please explain how voting after dead players who vote for unknown reasons is not speculation?

It is speculation. I was disagreeing with you saying it was based on MORE speculation than the Osseric case. Which I can buy. I hope you don't see this as defending Osseric. He is my only other real choice right now. And it was brought to my attention by you.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours and 27 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Kaschan, Liosan, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Telas, Tellan, Thyrllan

8 votes to lynch.

1 Vote for Kaschan ( Rashan )
1 Vote for Osseric ( Anomandaris )
3 Votes for Thyrllan ( Eloth, Fener, Sheltatha Lore )