[Atrahal]

Or just leave the thread... whatever works...

I'm rereading, again. Around.

[Atrahal]

Ok, here are my thoughts on Liosan and Fener. Up front, I don't think there is as good of a connection as Eloth seems to believe. Too many instances of Liosan pointing to Fener, and prodding him (really, just like a lot of the rest of us have). That isn't to say Liosan strikes me as a little off. But I'll get to that.

There will be some repeat quotes. For that you have my somewhat sincere apology.

Liosan, on 18 June 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Almost forgot i signed up for this! Glad to see the joke vote isn't rearing its head on day 1, after all that discussion about a more mature, stately game of mafia. A more rounded and better class of mafia. A more exciting and thought out game of mafia!

Ha. Some people just cant help themselves

First post by Liosan. And it really jumps at me now. Almost forgetting to play makes him seem like a RI who had a blah role and thus didn't really remember the game till last minute.

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Yeah, Liosan's right! (Symp, symp). Let's be all mature and shit, and work up some proper cases for lynching Meanas!

I agree with Eloth that the above seems like another instance of signaling (just as I thought someone was signaling Karo yesterday).

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Omtose, on 19 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

While low-posting is not necessarily scummy, it's also not good town play. But pressures of RL do intrude, so are we not going to cut people any slack?
No? OK then.


Vote Ampelas

Here's the original vote.

Care to explain oh pigly one?

It's fairly simple, so hopefully you'll be able to understand I could't remember who I'd voted for, because it wasn't anything very case-driven or serious. And so, as a courtesy, I removed my vote and voted again. Think of it as a confirmation vote -- nothing to get het up about at all.

Fener's first of many incidences of careless forgetfulness. Fener is playing a lot more like an idiot than I think he really is. Lower expectations, be silly, stay below the radar.

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Eloth, on 19 June 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Well, at least we now know that there are townies with roles -- maybe a doc among us? Definitely be worth being substantive with cases from now on. I realise my vote for Korb above, though late, would have ticked us over to night and mea proxima culpa, but hey -- wasn'me!

Are you asking for a healer to step announce himself? Because that is what your post seems like.

Well, no, as that would be unutterably foolish. Just throwing out some ideas of what we might have at our disposal that we aren't aware of -- and that hence the killers won't be aware of. I doubt they can have anticipated that we would lose a useful town role in the first lynch. It would therefore behoove any townie with such a role to, er, not get lynched. Somehow. Please?

More carelessness. Again, this maybe shenanigans, but again, I don't think Fener is making this many mistakes unintentionally.

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Well, at least we now know that there are townies with roles -- maybe a doc among us? Definitely be worth being substantive with cases from now on. I realise my vote for Korb above, though late, would have ticked us over to night and mea proxima culpa, but hey -- wasn'me!

Very cheerful response to losing a finder.

This was one of the first quote that made me question the connection between Liosan and Fener. When it comes down to it, they interact all game long, with Liosan taking pot shots but always going hunting for bigger prey. Moreover, they almost always end up on the same vote (they were last two sitting on the Amp vote on day 1, they again voted for Amp within a post of each other, etc). Much too close for killers, much too close even for a symp/killer pair. One of them is probably dirty, but I am doubtful that they are in cahoots.

Liosan, on 21 June 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

in fact kinda amusing how ampelas grouped everybody, left out omtose and fener and now the three of them started a lynch train on karosis.

And finally, this, especially in the face of a page worth of Eloth saying Liosan left Fener out of part of his accusations (and equating that with saying fener is not suspicious), makes me once again look at Eloth as a symp. Way way way to much emphasis on a debatable interpretation.

Problem is, if Eloth is symp, why are both Lio and Fener under such scrutiny by him if at least one of them is scum? And why is Fener the one being voted for, not Liosan?

Something isn't right.

[Fener]

OK, so I do my thinking out loud (i.e. on-thread). It seems to me that accepting Eloth's characterisation of that as a mistake is pretty naive. The mere mention of a possible town role being read as an invitation for a reveal? Is that not something of a stretch in interpretation? It seems to me that this is fairly typical of Eloth's play: subtle mischaracterisation that makes those who should be working together suspicious of each other. And if that isn't (admittedly excellent) scum play, then I'm a primate's elder relative.

[Atrahal]

So it looks like a dead thread to me atm. I'm not sure what to do with it, since I'm exhausted and probably won't be around for the lynch. Here's where I stand in terms of gut (I'm too tired to rehash all the cases I have, so this will have to do for the moment):

Myself and Karo, closest we have to PI (you believe Karo, you trust me)

Liosan, I'm leaning not scum, primarily based on his rough interactions with most people here and the intense thought he gives to the thread, which seems excessive for someone who knows everyone.
Omtose, not really a good read on him. Have done a case on him, but I still feel like his identity eludes me. Vague, like how I feel about him, need more info.

Eloth, by and far the scummiest symp of the game, full of surprising twists and turns and yet somehow to out there to be worth considering as a killer (if he is, MoM)

Fener, loose and light, going for the court jester under the radar approach, seemed to obviously scummy to be scum (esp with asking for the identity of a healer, even if he says that wasn't his intent)
D'riss. playing very smooth, very calm, kind of uncanny. I get suspicious of a townie who seems too self-assured yet non-committal
Anom, seems cautiously quiet at the moment, votes very readily for Fener with little comment, haven't had a chance to look at his case yet, but suspicious.


I guess I'll be surprising in that my chief suspects are the bottom two: D'riss and Anom. I would feel pretty good about lynching D'riss. He plays like my dream game of awesome scum.

Vote D'riss

[D'riss]

Right, so I have caught up, and I can see there are a couple of cases against me. And I'm being accused of playing smooth. Silencer would be so proud of me I'm going to go back and answer them individually, and then have a re-read and post my own thoughts.

(Before I get accused of being too calm about this, I would like to point out that I'm simply continuing in the style I have been playing all game.)

[Karosis]

Gah, I have to head to bed, and will miss the end of the vote... Grrrr. Lemme have a quick look over what's happened again, and see whether it makes sense to leave a vote somewhere. Anyone know where votes stand at the moment?

[D'riss]

Atrahal, on 25 June 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Ah a fresh reread after a wasted weekend. ::stretches arms::

To be perfectly honest, considering Karo was the only one around this weekend, I decided to save my breath till I knew there were other people to talk with. I have Karo on a PI after his reveal (got to settle down somewhere on what may be D-day), which leaves me with a lot of other suspects to work through. So the first one I've turned my attentions on is D'riss.

Now you may ask "why D'riss? He's been a real helpful, almost annoyingly so, player. Are you suggesting we lynch such thoughtful player?"

Yes, potentially.

Here's why:

D, on 19 June 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Um, what? Are you talking about the bit where I asked you why you were voting Meanas? Because that would be a pretty poor defence, and I asked the same of Atrahal's vote on Korvalain. Or are you referencing the bit where I said Meanas had nothing to defend against? Because I was not the first to say that. It was pretty weak play, and now you are trying to pin suspicion on me, while still sticking with your Meanas vote, that is based on nothing.

This first quote is D'riss's reaction to being accused of symping. Iirc, D'riss is one of the first to begin case debating, starting off with the case on Meanas. D'riss is also full of questions, with an emphasis on encouraging debate and discussion. Setting the stage for the massive Big Tent argument of Day 1.

So again I ask you all, how would scum play? The killers know who will come up as inno (and they only have a 1 in 10 chance of building a case against their symp if they fail to identify him early on). Having played scum before myself, I know this is a luxury. One can be self-righteous, argue with everyone, and look like the most thoughtful townie in the crowd because there is no need to rely on one's gut.

You know, this is an interesting twist in Big Tent Mafia. What if a scummy tactic is playing from the angle of complete logic and avoiding using words like "gut" and "I get the feeling." I know I've done this as scum.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is with this quote. I was accused of symping because I objected to the votes on Meanas, who wasn't actually on the thread at the time. I had no idea whether Meanas was innocent or not, and I never said anywhere that I though he was or was not scum, but I objected to the votes on the basis that it was poor play.

Quote

So with D'riss, I have been blinded by his helpfulness and complementary nature. Quote #2 represents another aspect of D'riss that we see quite frequently: gregariousness (Duh duh duuuuuuh).

D, on 19 June 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Good spotting, Ano. But according to my records you yourself did not remove your vote from Omtose before voting for Korbas...

I'm heading to bed and won't be back before the end of day. At this stage it's not clear where the lynch is going to end up, but we have had a great day one, so I would urge everyone to vote, it will get us sone good info.

Night all.

I agree that everyone talking and voting gives us good information. It also, ironically, gives scum even more material to manipulate and redirect as they see fit. We all worry about people spamming up day 1 and then signaling to their team under our noses. But we don't worry about serious contemplation because that is helpful, right? There is nothing that says scum can't be good thinkers, esp. when everyone seems scummy at one time or another. Good thinkers are wrong all the time in this game... maybe some are on purpose....

There is nothing I can say in defence of this. You are basically saying that scum can be good thinkers, as well as town. Both town and scum can use the information on thread, and some people might be making deliberately incorrect statements to manipulate the thread. But there is nothing in my post itself that would suggest that I am scum playing a good thinker, or using the information on thread to manipulate. From your statements I am equally likely to be a town player trying to be a good thinker, encouraging information on thread and making innocent mistakes like the rest of town.

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D, on 20 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Omtose, I think the main issue against you is your vote on Korvalain. You basically said 'why not?', without going back and doing your own reading elaborating further or commenting in any other way, and then stuck rather strictly to your vote. The other thing I found somewhat suspicious was your mention of looking at people who hadn't voted yet, despite the fact that the majority of votes in the game had been joke votes up to that point. However, the way you joined in the joke voting and advocated pressuring people who were online rather than those who had disappeared, as well as your response to the case on Korbas has me thinking you're probably town.

I'm actually leaning much more towards your case on Eloth. His case on Omtose, after saying specifically that he didn't think there were enough votes for a Korbas lynch, looks a little like scrambling. He discounts the case on Korvalain in a simple sentence based on a vague mention of the way he responded to the case against him, which I personally thought was rather weak (the response, not the case). He also based his case on Omtose on 'not making waves', but Korvalain is a much better candidate for that charge. The quotes that he used were cherry-picked out of context, and he only actually used two quotes out of all the posts Omtose had made, which suggests a case made to distract, rather than a serious case, especially given the timing of the case.

In addition, the way Korvalain has been acting since the end of day sounds to me like someone very relieved to still be alive. He is suddenly acting very helpful, making cases and throwing suspicions around. The case on Fener in particular looks pretty weak, and there is very little analysis, minus some surface comments stuck in with big quotes.

Vote Korvalain.

I know I made quote three a little easier to skim with underlinings. The underlinings point out 3 separate people (Omtose, Eloth, Fener) discussed/accused, ironically none of which receive the vote at the end of the post.

It's a very good post, weaving through various cases, giving some compliments and validation and dismissing/redirecting away from a case on Eloth and Fener.

The underlining here points out three out of the four people who were being discussed and accused at the time. Therefore it is not ironic at all that three of them did not recieve votes, since I can only vote for one person at a time. Further, your underlining of my comment on the case against Fener is misleading, because I mentioned it only in relation to my feelings on Korvalain. It is beyond me how you managed to pick on that while completely ignoring the rest of what I said about Korvalain. Also, it was not my intention to dismiss the case against Eloth, and I did in fact say that I somewhat agreed with it. I commented on a possible connection with Korvalain, and agreed with several things that had been brought up with regards to Eloth, but I simply felt that Korvalain was more likely to be scum, and so I voted for him.

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So at this point, I imagine several of you saying, "well sure Atrahal, WIFOM is great and all, but what is your case? That D'riss is a good player and we should lynch him for that? WTF?"

To which I reply preemptively, yes. As I've said before in this post, scum know pretty much everyone's allegiances. There are several ways to approach a game as scum, and one way is to play very well (too well) and dole out compliments and validations to bring down people's guard. And as scum, you can leisurely tear down cases. It's nice to have a lynch, but time is on your side, not town's. So if you look less suspicious by making people think harder, three cheers for you!

This is what I believe D'riss is doing. I wish I had caught on earlier when we had more wiggle room, but there it is.

I do have work, it is Monday after all. I will easily be back before lynching time (provided you all count the hours properly and don't get panicky when there are 4+ hours to go). Due to the delicate nature of this day, I will reserve placing my vote till then.

Essentially your case is based on me playing nice and encouraging people to think carefully about the decisions they make. I fail to see how this is scummy at all. I haven't avoided contributing, I've voted, I've made my opinions clear, I have disagreed with cases even though it has netted me suspicions. I haven't attempted to direct the thread, so I don't know where your accusations of manipulation are coming from. I have no interest in getting into fights with people as that has (ironically) landed me in hot water before. I doubt there is much I can do to convince you if you want to believe that I am scummy, but I'm not going to change my play style because you find someone whois trying to be helpful suspicious. We are drawing towards the end of the game, and the only way town is going to win is if we think things through carefully and work together

[Karosis]

Well, seems like a deadlock. Well, I will

vote D'riss

I have been pretty vocal about my distrust in him. Hopefully some others among you come back on and move enough votes to one of the trains. Time for me to head to bed. I imagine I won't survive the night, so good luck town!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 52 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Driss ( Atrahal, Karosis )
2 Votes for Fener ( Eloth, Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Eloth ( Liosan, Fener )

Players not voted: Driss, Omtose

-Liz

[D'riss]

Atrahal, on 26 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

So it looks like a dead thread to me atm. I'm not sure what to do with it, since I'm exhausted and probably won't be around for the lynch. Here's where I stand in terms of gut (I'm too tired to rehash all the cases I have, so this will have to do for the moment):

Myself and Karo, closest we have to PI (you believe Karo, you trust me)

Liosan, I'm leaning not scum, primarily based on his rough interactions with most people here and the intense thought he gives to the thread, which seems excessive for someone who knows everyone.
Omtose, not really a good read on him. Have done a case on him, but I still feel like his identity eludes me. Vague, like how I feel about him, need more info.

Eloth, by and far the scummiest symp of the game, full of surprising twists and turns and yet somehow to out there to be worth considering as a killer (if he is, MoM)

Fener, loose and light, going for the court jester under the radar approach, seemed to obviously scummy to be scum (esp with asking for the identity of a healer, even if he says that wasn't his intent)
D'riss. playing very smooth, very calm, kind of uncanny. I get suspicious of a townie who seems too self-assured yet non-committal
Anom, seems cautiously quiet at the moment, votes very readily for Fener with little comment, haven't had a chance to look at his case yet, but suspicious.


I guess I'll be surprising in that my chief suspects are the bottom two: D'riss and Anom. I would feel pretty good about lynching D'riss. He plays like my dream game of awesome scum.

Vote D'riss

Here is the first thing I can't get my head around: Why believe Karosis? There is literally no way to prove that someone is a healer, so it is the easiest way to fake-reveal. I find it very odd that his reveal has been widely accepted on thread.

Second, I disagree that I have been non-committal. I have tried to make my opinions known on thread and have voted based on those opinions.

However, you may have a point about Anomandaris. With Eloth playing so obviously symp-like, it is strange that Ano would jump on a train that Eloth started.

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 26 June 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Well, seems like a deadlock. Well, I will

vote D'riss

I have been pretty vocal about my distrust in him. Hopefully some others among you come back on and move enough votes to one of the trains. Time for me to head to bed. I imagine I won't survive the night, so good luck town!

This is the problem i have with Karosis. Why on earth would you reveal healer if you believed it was simply going to get you killed by scum? In fact, why reveal healer at all? There is no way to prove you are a healer, and the only way to have it disproven is to have the actual healer reveal, which is a wonderful way of outing the real healer and having them get killed.

[Karosis]

D, on 26 June 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

So it looks like a dead thread to me atm. I'm not sure what to do with it, since I'm exhausted and probably won't be around for the lynch. Here's where I stand in terms of gut (I'm too tired to rehash all the cases I have, so this will have to do for the moment):

Myself and Karo, closest we have to PI (you believe Karo, you trust me)

Liosan, I'm leaning not scum, primarily based on his rough interactions with most people here and the intense thought he gives to the thread, which seems excessive for someone who knows everyone.
Omtose, not really a good read on him. Have done a case on him, but I still feel like his identity eludes me. Vague, like how I feel about him, need more info.

Eloth, by and far the scummiest symp of the game, full of surprising twists and turns and yet somehow to out there to be worth considering as a killer (if he is, MoM)

Fener, loose and light, going for the court jester under the radar approach, seemed to obviously scummy to be scum (esp with asking for the identity of a healer, even if he says that wasn't his intent)
D'riss. playing very smooth, very calm, kind of uncanny. I get suspicious of a townie who seems too self-assured yet non-committal
Anom, seems cautiously quiet at the moment, votes very readily for Fener with little comment, haven't had a chance to look at his case yet, but suspicious.


I guess I'll be surprising in that my chief suspects are the bottom two: D'riss and Anom. I would feel pretty good about lynching D'riss. He plays like my dream game of awesome scum.

Vote D'riss

Here is the first thing I can't get my head around: Why believe Karosis? There is literally no way to prove that someone is a healer, so it is the easiest way to fake-reveal. I find it very odd that his reveal has been widely accepted on thread.

Second, I disagree that I have been non-committal. I have tried to make my opinions known on thread and have voted based on those opinions.

However, you may have a point about Anomandaris. With Eloth playing so obviously symp-like, it is strange that Ano would jump on a train that Eloth started.

The way I see it, a counter reveal would invalidate my claim. There has not been one, because no one else is the healer, I am. It's pretty much D-Day, the likeliness of a counter reveal making a difference is slim to none. I can say I still am not sure who is town and who isn't, but I AM sure that I am town, and reasonably sure that Atrahal is also town (barring some random no kill from the killers, which I highly doubt). This way, the rest of town can follow two people they can be reasonably sure are town. If it doesn't happen, then we reevaluate. As I see it, if you get lynched and you CF town, then we can look at the last few people to jump on the train. If you CF killer, well town's ahead one more. Now I am really going to bed.

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 52 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Driss ( Atrahal, Karosis )
2 Votes for Fener ( Eloth, Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Eloth ( Liosan, Fener )

Players not voted: Driss, Omtose

-Liz

So, a little under three hours to go, and the votes are pretty well split.

I think Eloth is scummy as fuck. Probably a symp, but still scummy. This makes me very disinclined to vote for Fener. With so little time left there is no point in pushing in a new direction, so for me it is going to come down to one of these two. My thinking is that even if Eloth is a symp, it is better to vote for a symp than a townie.

Vote Eloth

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 26 June 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

D, on 26 June 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

So it looks like a dead thread to me atm. I'm not sure what to do with it, since I'm exhausted and probably won't be around for the lynch. Here's where I stand in terms of gut (I'm too tired to rehash all the cases I have, so this will have to do for the moment):

Myself and Karo, closest we have to PI (you believe Karo, you trust me)

Liosan, I'm leaning not scum, primarily based on his rough interactions with most people here and the intense thought he gives to the thread, which seems excessive for someone who knows everyone.
Omtose, not really a good read on him. Have done a case on him, but I still feel like his identity eludes me. Vague, like how I feel about him, need more info.

Eloth, by and far the scummiest symp of the game, full of surprising twists and turns and yet somehow to out there to be worth considering as a killer (if he is, MoM)

Fener, loose and light, going for the court jester under the radar approach, seemed to obviously scummy to be scum (esp with asking for the identity of a healer, even if he says that wasn't his intent)
D'riss. playing very smooth, very calm, kind of uncanny. I get suspicious of a townie who seems too self-assured yet non-committal
Anom, seems cautiously quiet at the moment, votes very readily for Fener with little comment, haven't had a chance to look at his case yet, but suspicious.


I guess I'll be surprising in that my chief suspects are the bottom two: D'riss and Anom. I would feel pretty good about lynching D'riss. He plays like my dream game of awesome scum.

Vote D'riss

Here is the first thing I can't get my head around: Why believe Karosis? There is literally no way to prove that someone is a healer, so it is the easiest way to fake-reveal. I find it very odd that his reveal has been widely accepted on thread.

Second, I disagree that I have been non-committal. I have tried to make my opinions known on thread and have voted based on those opinions.

However, you may have a point about Anomandaris. With Eloth playing so obviously symp-like, it is strange that Ano would jump on a train that Eloth started.

The way I see it, a counter reveal would invalidate my claim. There has not been one, because no one else is the healer, I am. It's pretty much D-Day, the likeliness of a counter reveal making a difference is slim to none. I can say I still am not sure who is town and who isn't, but I AM sure that I am town, and reasonably sure that Atrahal is also town (barring some random no kill from the killers, which I highly doubt). This way, the rest of town can follow two people they can be reasonably sure are town. If it doesn't happen, then we reevaluate. As I see it, if you get lynched and you CF town, then we can look at the last few people to jump on the train. If you CF killer, well town's ahead one more. Now I am really going to bed.

A counter-reveal would also reveal the healer to scum, who could then pick them off.

If I get lynched and I CF town, and we are as close to D-Day as you say, my lynch will pretty much end the game. You are remarkably calm about this issue.

In addition, even if we do believe that you and Atrahal are town, there is no reason why you would have any more information than the rest of us, and therefore no reason why any of us should follow your train. Case in point: the case on myself. This smacks of manipulating and trying to lead the thread.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 22 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Fener ( Eloth, Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Driss ( Atrahal, Karosis )
3 Votes for Eloth ( Liosan, Fener, Driss )

Players not voted: Omtose

-Liz

[Path-Shaper]

I won't be around at lynch time, so you might have to wait a bit for resolution.

-Liz

[Omtose]

I am leaning towards an Eloth vote. It should be obvious by now why. I think he's a symp, and best case a killer. Either way, it would prevent today from being D-Day.

As for Fener and D'riss, I don't know which I am more "inclined" to vote. Accusations aimed at both seem to be primarily play style, so that seems like just a big toss up.

D, on 26 June 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

A counter-reveal would also reveal the healer to scum, who could then pick them off.

If I get lynched and I CF town, and we are as close to D-Day as you say, my lynch will pretty much end the game. You are remarkably calm about this issue.

In addition, even if we do believe that you and Atrahal are town, there is no reason why you would have any more information than the rest of us, and therefore no reason why any of us should follow your train. Case in point: the case on myself. This smacks of manipulating and trying to lead the thread.

D'riss, you do realize that it IS D-day, unless we already killed the symp, right?

[Liosan]

Seems like everyone disappeared before the end of day. I am about and would swap to ano or driss if necessary for a lynch, but more inclined to ano after today's action than not. Where has omtose disappeared to, said he was going to read the thread and would be about then disappeared? It might not be the worst thing in the world to go to night without a lynch, we have 8 players if the symp isnt dead and we lynch wrong its game over.

anyone around?

[Liosan]

Omtose, on 26 June 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

I am leaning towards an Eloth vote. It should be obvious by now why. I think he's a symp, and best case a killer. Either way, it would prevent today from being D-Day.

As for Fener and D'riss, I don't know which I am more "inclined" to vote. Accusations aimed at both seem to be primarily play style, so that seems like just a big toss up.

D, on 26 June 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

A counter-reveal would also reveal the healer to scum, who could then pick them off.

If I get lynched and I CF town, and we are as close to D-Day as you say, my lynch will pretty much end the game. You are remarkably calm about this issue.

In addition, even if we do believe that you and Atrahal are town, there is no reason why you would have any more information than the rest of us, and therefore no reason why any of us should follow your train. Case in point: the case on myself. This smacks of manipulating and trying to lead the thread.

D'riss, you do realize that it IS D-day, unless we already killed the symp, right?

Its freaky how often you ask were someone is and they show up with a post before you to make you look dumb!

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I thought it usually was the other way around. Someone is mentioned and they magically pop up, looking mighty suspicious.

What you say is true, with no lynch it couldn't be D-Day. But when someone who isn't the 3 people up for vote dies tonight, it leaves us pretty much where we are right now. We should assume that by now the killers have a fair idea who their symp is, so we shouldn't hope for a lucky NK if it hasn't happened already.