[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 25 June 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

Anomandaris, on 25 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

As I said i'm not going to have much time so for now

Vote Eloth

He is my top choice for one of the killers. There are others that could be his partner but I am fairly confident about him.

When this game is over. Either due to me being lynched and scum winning. I would like for you to post a picture of you eating your hat with only mustard please. The hat must fit your head and not be a small hat. It can be a hat of your choice. It does not need to be a cowboy hat with would be my choice.

I think that your scum radar sucks if your town. You haven't been right all game. The reason that you haven't been right is that your scum. You have managed to avoid getting any cases made on you because you have been making cases on everyone else. I am just your most recent target. Which is fine. If I am lynched it is no loss for town other then the next day is D D.

Right now my scum list is

Anomandaris
Fener
Driss

suspicious list
Omtose
Liosan
atrahal

PI
Karosis


Vote Anomandaris

Yes I know it is OMGUS. Still doesn't mean that I am wrong.

List!!

A few games back one of the killers, (I think it was ment), killed each and every player that mentioned him or threatened him. He did this and people said that the killers are trying to frame a person. So look at you all thinking Eloth is harmless. I am not discounting D'riss as possible scum I am just labelling Eloth as scum. Meanas had it in for him and he died. Now we know Silencer is a good player. Anthras voting along with me yesterday and he died. I can't remember the other death but I had thought they had something to do with Eloth as well.

I produced the case on day one that got our finder killed so I stepped back the next day and listened to what others had to say. Feeling a bit disheartened at the outcome of the days lynch. I had my suspicions about other players but followed along with the herd onto the next two trains which saw us lynch two more innocents. I'm not saying one of those could not have been the symp but the CF says town.

Yesterday I was strongly against a Karosis lynch as I didn't peg him as scum. You can see that in my play. I wanted to lynch Eloth. Yet we ended up with a decision to either lynch Ampelas or Karosis. Now I went for the scummiest person out of the two although my heart wasn't in lynching either of those.

Today I go for Eloth again yet people do not think he is scum. Why, it looks as though scum are trying to frame him Liosan says. Well I think Liosan could be Eloth's partner for pointing that out to us, helping us think that way.

When I turn out to be town either via getting lynched, nked, or when the game is over. I want for you to post pictures of YOU eating a hat with mustard only. You don't have to admit that you are shitty at looking for scum, but that would be nice also. The hat thing is a must. Don't say it if you aren't willing to do it.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

weird that that was above what you wrote, clearly meant to be on a seperate line.

mmmhhmmmm

Framing.

[Karosis]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

Why are you totally dimissing Fener? To me that is suspicious as hell right now. You and Fener just jumped way up the list of suspicious people.

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

There has been suspicion on eloth all game, and now on dday they are voting each other? Ano has been on all the trains, eloth only the first. Neither of them seems to fit in as a match to any of the other players. Would put driss and omtose as a possible match, but dont find fener suspicious at all. so for me its them two in a pairing.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

There has been suspicion on eloth all game, and now on dday they are voting each other? Ano has been on all the trains, eloth only the first. Neither of them seems to fit in as a match to any of the other players. Would put driss and omtose as a possible match, but dont find fener suspicious at all. so for me its them two in a pairing.

Why don't you find Fener suspicious at all? If your town and it is almost d day you should be suspicious of everyone. The only way that your not suspicious of people is if you know who and what they are. The finder is dead so there is no way for you to be town and not suspicious of Fener. I think that you just messed up. I think that your scum and that Fener is either your partner or your master. Fener has been slidding and hardly visible all game. You should be suspicious of someone playing like that. He has made my list on that play alone. The only question is if your his symp and messed up because you weren't trying to draw attention to your master or if your Fener's partner and messed up because you didn't want to call attention to your low posting partner.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

Why are you totally dimissing Fener? To me that is suspicious as hell right now. You and Fener just jumped way up the list of suspicious people.

There are only two scum, but five players. When talking about who i think is most likely paired, one person aint gonna make that list. Think your clutching at straws a little there.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

Why are you totally dimissing Fener? To me that is suspicious as hell right now. You and Fener just jumped way up the list of suspicious people.

There are only two scum, but five players. When talking about who i think is most likely paired, one person aint gonna make that list. Think your clutching at straws a little there.

Umm. No actually that is how people find scum. You look for players who totally dismiss another player for no reason what so ever for being scum. You say you don't find Fener suspicious at all. The only possible way he could not be suspicious is if you know what he is. I don't know what anyone is. I suspect that Karosis is the healer. But that is based on a no NK and no counter reveal. But I don't know for certain. But you don't find another player suspicious at all.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

There has been suspicion on eloth all game, and now on dday they are voting each other? Ano has been on all the trains, eloth only the first. Neither of them seems to fit in as a match to any of the other players. Would put driss and omtose as a possible match, but dont find fener suspicious at all. so for me its them two in a pairing.

Why don't you find Fener suspicious at all? If your town and it is almost d day you should be suspicious of everyone. The only way that your not suspicious of people is if you know who and what they are. The finder is dead so there is no way for you to be town and not suspicious of Fener. I think that you just messed up. I think that your scum and that Fener is either your partner or your master. Fener has been slidding and hardly visible all game. You should be suspicious of someone playing like that. He has made my list on that play alone. The only question is if your his symp and messed up because you weren't trying to draw attention to your master or if your Fener's partner and messed up because you didn't want to call attention to your low posting partner.

Nice theory, but your reading what i am writing and thinking of it from your point of view, i know i am not scum, so am not partnered with fener. Theres five players left who could be the killers so the players i find most suspicious have to be connected in some way, driss and omtose have seemed paired for a while now (since the second day lynch), and you and ano seem paired. That leaves fener on his lonesome, who hasnt done much since vote hopping on day 1. They havent pushed any lynches or really been involved with anyone else and I cant see them being paired with the rest of you so yeah, i dont find them very suspicious. I certainly couldnt figure a case against them, while theres plenty of suspicion on you, and karosis and atrahal made a decent case on driss, though its based on something i think is too intangible to really use.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

There has been suspicion on eloth all game, and now on dday they are voting each other? Ano has been on all the trains, eloth only the first. Neither of them seems to fit in as a match to any of the other players. Would put driss and omtose as a possible match, but dont find fener suspicious at all. so for me its them two in a pairing.

Why don't you find Fener suspicious at all? If your town and it is almost d day you should be suspicious of everyone. The only way that your not suspicious of people is if you know who and what they are. The finder is dead so there is no way for you to be town and not suspicious of Fener. I think that you just messed up. I think that your scum and that Fener is either your partner or your master. Fener has been slidding and hardly visible all game. You should be suspicious of someone playing like that. He has made my list on that play alone. The only question is if your his symp and messed up because you weren't trying to draw attention to your master or if your Fener's partner and messed up because you didn't want to call attention to your low posting partner.

Nice theory, but your reading what i am writing and thinking of it from your point of view, i know i am not scum, so am not partnered with fener. Theres five players left who could be the killers so the players i find most suspicious have to be connected in some way, driss and omtose have seemed paired for a while now (since the second day lynch), and you and ano seem paired. That leaves fener on his lonesome, who hasnt done much since vote hopping on day 1. They havent pushed any lynches or really been involved with anyone else and I cant see them being paired with the rest of you so yeah, i dont find them very suspicious. I certainly couldnt figure a case against them, while theres plenty of suspicion on you, and karosis and atrahal made a decent case on driss, though its based on something i think is too intangible to really use.

You came out on thread and PLAINLY stated that you don't think that another player is suspicious. The players don't have to be connected in any way. Fener could easily be a low posting scum. You don't even consider that. He has probably done the most brilliant job of avoiding everything. As you point out. If I was a symp and Fener was my master I would be jumping for joy because I wouldn't have to defend him all I would have to do was try to get town lynched. If I was his partner I would want him to keep his mouth shut so that he didn't come under any suspicion. The best scum don't have any suspicion on them. They let town kill themselves off. But you who supposedly are a member of town don't find a player like that suspicious. Please try again.

[Omtose]

I am mulling all this over, and will see you all after I pass out for 6 hours or so. I'll be back well before time out.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

if we work off the assumption karosis is the healer and inno we know then that atrahal isnt the killer.

that means that out of ano, driss, eloth, fener and omtose there are two killers. Gotta say for me its either ano and eloth, or driss and omtose. I would say the first pairing is the more suspicious of the two, though there is now some distancing going on.

I don't see where you're getting Ano and Eloth working together from? I never got that impression. Heck, unless I am misremembering, I was more suspicious of you working with Ano than Eloth working with Ano.

There has been suspicion on eloth all game, and now on dday they are voting each other? Ano has been on all the trains, eloth only the first. Neither of them seems to fit in as a match to any of the other players. Would put driss and omtose as a possible match, but dont find fener suspicious at all. so for me its them two in a pairing.

Why don't you find Fener suspicious at all? If your town and it is almost d day you should be suspicious of everyone. The only way that your not suspicious of people is if you know who and what they are. The finder is dead so there is no way for you to be town and not suspicious of Fener. I think that you just messed up. I think that your scum and that Fener is either your partner or your master. Fener has been slidding and hardly visible all game. You should be suspicious of someone playing like that. He has made my list on that play alone. The only question is if your his symp and messed up because you weren't trying to draw attention to your master or if your Fener's partner and messed up because you didn't want to call attention to your low posting partner.

Nice theory, but your reading what i am writing and thinking of it from your point of view, i know i am not scum, so am not partnered with fener. Theres five players left who could be the killers so the players i find most suspicious have to be connected in some way, driss and omtose have seemed paired for a while now (since the second day lynch), and you and ano seem paired. That leaves fener on his lonesome, who hasnt done much since vote hopping on day 1. They havent pushed any lynches or really been involved with anyone else and I cant see them being paired with the rest of you so yeah, i dont find them very suspicious. I certainly couldnt figure a case against them, while theres plenty of suspicion on you, and karosis and atrahal made a decent case on driss, though its based on something i think is too intangible to really use.

You came out on thread and PLAINLY stated that you don't think that another player is suspicious. The players don't have to be connected in any way. Fener could easily be a low posting scum. You don't even consider that. He has probably done the most brilliant job of avoiding everything. As you point out. If I was a symp and Fener was my master I would be jumping for joy because I wouldn't have to defend him all I would have to do was try to get town lynched. If I was his partner I would want him to keep his mouth shut so that he didn't come under any suspicion. The best scum don't have any suspicion on them. They let town kill themselves off. But you who supposedly are a member of town don't find a player like that suspicious. Please try again.

Your just blatantly ignoring what i am saying and focusing on the wording of my post. regardless of how you spin it, there are two killers and we havent caught either of them. Karosis has revealed healer, so we know through lack of counter and the fact there was no night kill that karosis and atrahal are not the killers. Therefore out of the five other players still alive and not PI, 2 of them are killers. As we are looking for paired killers and for me there are two distinct pairs that means the fifth player isnt in my list. We havent been right all game, so I could easily be wrong, and I already said today that the killers could be doing a great job of distancing from each other, but i am playing the percentage game.

atrahal and karosis are pinning driss for being too smooth, which i find a very hard case to stomach on dday.

you on the other hand havent been out of the limelight, have seen many people who make votes against you die, and look to be distancing from ano with a pair of weak omgus cases. Now your jumping on me for going to the trouble of wording my suspicions, because i put you and ano top of my list.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Your just blatantly ignoring what i am saying and focusing on the wording of my post. regardless of how you spin it, there are two killers and we havent caught either of them. Karosis has revealed healer, so we know through lack of counter and the fact there was no night kill that karosis and atrahal are not the killers. Therefore out of the five other players still alive and not PI, 2 of them are killers. As we are looking for paired killers and for me there are two distinct pairs that means the fifth player isnt in my list. We havent been right all game, so I could easily be wrong, and I already said today that the killers could be doing a great job of distancing from each other, but i am playing the percentage game.

atrahal and karosis are pinning driss for being too smooth, which i find a very hard case to stomach on dday.

you on the other hand havent been out of the limelight, have seen many people who make votes against you die, and look to be distancing from ano with a pair of weak omgus cases. Now your jumping on me for going to the trouble of wording my suspicions, because i put you and ano top of my list.

You are correct I am focusing on the wording of your posts. Because that is what you are suppose to focus on in mafia. Your wording is off. You are blatantly ignoring a player and I want to know why. You are also completely ignoring my question and trying to get out of it. Which is suspicious in it self. Say what you want about me. I have answered everyone who has questioned me. You are answering with "As we are looking for paired killers and for me there are two distinct pairs that means the fifth player isnt in my list. " You are not telling my why he isn't on your list. You are also not explaining why you are only focusing on players who have interaction? You are blatantly ignoring the reasoning that "paired" killers have no reason to interact. They know each other. Why would they need to interact?

[Eloth]

So your saying that this wasn't fener signalling you something.

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Yeah, Liosan's right! (Symp, symp). Let's be all mature and shit, and work up some proper cases for lynching Meanas!

Cause it looks like day one signalling to me.

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 19 June 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 23 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Karosis, Korbas )
5 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth, Anthras )

-Liz

Liosan, on 19 June 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 June 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Liosan, on 19 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

While i didnt think korv answered my question about the pressure on ampelas very well, i still feel the case against them is weaker. I would be inclined to vote korbas rather than korvalain, but if i do so now it will leave both two short, whereas voting korv would consign them to the lynch without anyone else getting a say in things by putting them on L-1.

I'm not quite sure how much more I can give you regarding Ampelas. I haven't called him PI or anything. My initial vote was based on his "Here" then "Here again" posts, and when he started to contribute a little more, I removed so I can get a better feel for him. At the moment, I like the Korbas case best, tomorrow may be a diffferent story.

Its just different to how i would have responded to what i felt was a cheeky response rather than a genuine effort to contribute.

remove vote

vote korbas

Sorry korbas, out of the two I just feel korvalain is the less suspicious. No one seems to be defending him, while anthras seemed desperate to speed lynch them earlier. Added to the fact that both you and meanas made that weird "i am town" statement which i didnt like. If you come back guilty they will be the next person I would look at.

You were also the swing vote on Korbas.

[Eloth]

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Well, at least we now know that there are townies with roles -- maybe a doc among us? Definitely be worth being substantive with cases from now on. I realise my vote for Korb above, though late, would have ticked us over to night and mea proxima culpa, but hey -- wasn'me!

So after Fener came on after Korbas was lynched and put a vote on him. He then came on and started to ask if their was a healer in the game.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 June 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Well, at least we now know that there are townies with roles -- maybe a doc among us? Definitely be worth being substantive with cases from now on. I realise my vote for Korb above, though late, would have ticked us over to night and mea proxima culpa, but hey -- wasn'me!

Very cheerful response to losing a finder.

This is the second interaction that you have had with Fener, to something like outing a healer you aren't pushing him at all.

[Eloth]

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I do wonder to what extent people claiming they're "not going to be back in time for a lynch, so vote X" prompts others to build cases on player X because they know there'll always be a vote on X? Seems like a really good strategy to redirect attention, to me.

I liked Ampelas's reply to my weak case against him, so now I don't think there's anything in it other than an honest mistake / slip of the fingers (oo-er missus). The independent case being built against him by (IIRC) Liosan and others is interesting, but I'm holding fire for now as I'll be here all day.

Subtle backing of liosan. I especially like the him using independent. Like he needed to make sure that he said that there was no collaboration between himself and liosan.

[Eloth]

D, on 20 June 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

eloth is voting for omtose because he feels like omtose posts but doesnt stick his neck out.
omtose votes for korvalain because he voted for him yesterday
korvalain votes for fener for vote hoping and what reads like a role reveal request.
driss votes for korvalain with some strong reasoning regarding his use of quotes out of context, a very weak fener case and a sudden change in playstyle.
I voted for ampelas as i feel their contribution has been very lacking, and only when really pushed by more players today did they give reasoning which would have been welcome yesterday when voting for ano.

In fact given that we have lost the finder it looks like both ampelas and korvalain have changed their playstyle slightly (though given ampelas barely posted yesterday it wouldnt take much. I definitely think ampelas is a low posting scum, but i can see where driss is coming from with the korvalain case too, and we also might get more info from a korvalain lynch as they were central to the behaviour of a few players yesterday, and have garnered enough attention today to give us a lot of links to other players through voting and thread activity if we get a scum result off their lynch.

Thoughts?

This is a good summary, and it really puts things in perspective. We have practically no cohesion in this game, and it is starting to worry me.

I've looked back at your case on Amp, and trawled the thread for his posts. There aren't many of them. I do see your point, some things Amp has said have really stuck out to me, in particular that vote and the reasoning behind it. He is saying basically that he hat-picked two middle-range posters and decided which was scummier. His small spate of posts has shown that he can contribute when pressed, and I really do not believe anyone who says there is nothing to comment on, even on day one.

The thing that has me most stuck on Korvalain at the moment is the response by Eloth. It is out of proportion to the pressure being put on him, which was basically around the question of his vote. This suggests to me that there is something else on the thread stressing him out, and he has already been connected to Korvalain. I think it is likely he is Korvalain's symp, which is why my vote is currently staying on Korvalain. I also agree with your assessment of the info we can garner from the lynch. Ampelas' lynch will not give us much info, he has had very few interactions so far.

I thought that this was interesting. We have another player subtly backing Liosan. Setting up the lynch for that day and the next.

[Eloth]

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Right, I have Stuff To Do, and won't be back online for a good few hours. In which case, I need to vote.

Korv and Ampelas are looking like good bets for a lynch tonight. I'm going to

Vote Korvalain

and hope I've got enough time when I get back to catch up and possibly amend based on any arguments. Catch you all later!

His first drive by vote. The second one was the lynch on Amp.