[Anthras]

I like vikings,i am technically in love with them.
and Atrahal would you care to answer the question?

[Eloth]

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Fener, on 21 June 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I would hope that the kill last night was because of a good guard so that we can get good information..(the guard can get good info and i am NOT asking him to reveal himself)

Their are two killers in the game thus a guard wouldn't do shit. A guard can only guard one person at a time. Leaving the other to kill. The only possible reason that their wasn't a kill had to have been due to a heal.

If that were the case, there would almost certainly have been two night kills in night 1. That there weren't suggests that even though there are two killers, they have to decide on a single target via signalling in the thread. Or maybe it's whoever PMs PS first. In fact -- though I might be getting this confused with another game -- I thought this had actually been stated outright.

JESUS fucking christ. Is this your first fucking paired killer game. The killers share a fucking kill between them. Thus a guard can't do shit until one of the killers is dead. So the only way that there wasn't a kill was due to a healer. The killers can either talk off thread (easiest way) or communicate via PS.

For those of you who don't understand this is from the sign up thread....


Setup: A few roled town with the rest RI, versus paired killers and a symp.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 20 hours and 5 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Anomandaris, Anthras )
2 Votes for Karosis ( Omtose, Ampelas )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Karosis )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Liosan

-Liz

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I just voted Fener to get his symp to come out of the woodwork... I knew you'd be out there!!!

remove vote
vote Anomandaris

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Whoops I forgot to vote for person the symp is symping.

Vote Meanas

Anomandaris, on 18 June 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

I voted Omtose to see the reaction I'd get which is quite damning. Your obviously his symp. I am happy with my vote for now, although Eloth's case looks interesting.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

ٌWhat i see here is obviously some people symping and some people getting symped.So i say vote the symps to see if they are symps for the symps.

vote Anomandaris

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Investigator/Symp speaks.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Well ,It seems i have a problem with the symp's avatar.I can't see it.(maybe because he is the symp)

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Obviously you're trying to make it look like you're symping me, and I don't like it! Your trickiness has not gone unnoticed!

remove vote
vote Anthras

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Only one word for you guys: symp-pathethic

Vote Meanas

So, these are all the posts on just the first page where someone jokingly accuses someone of being a symp. If we go by Omtose's logic here:

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

I think Karosis is Eloth's master, and this is the signal. It looks like he's calling Karosis a symp, but in actuality he's simply informing him "Hey, this is day 1 signalling, I'm your symp."

Karosis at the end of the day switched votes from Korv to Korbas, in and of itself not suspicious, but convenient because he doesn't have to worry because either lynch is fine as far as scum is concerned.

What caught my suspicion was this post at the beginning of Day 2.

...then I must be Anomandaris' symp, Eloth must have been Meanas' symp, Ano must be Omtose's symp, Anthras must be Ano's symp, I must be Anthras' symp, and Fener must be Meanas' symp. Seriously, I hope that you all wait for a case that actually makes sense before piling on a lynch train against me, cause this here, doesn't make ANY sense.

[Atrahal]

Anthrax, did you want me to answer the question posed to Eloth because you think him and I are buds?

I think that the first day, Eloth was just voting in the same direction as I . On day 2, I genuinely agreed with his line of thinking, but retracted when Om responded so candidly to rethink that case and the case again Korv. Unfortunately, pressure was a little zealously overapplied to Korv, who cracked and now is dead, long before I was able to return and reassess one final time.

I am impressed at your persistence Anthrax (I've done similar things, and no one notices till it's too late, if they even notice then). Unfortunately, Eloth and I are not connected (which is probably what you expect me to say anyways, and not much I can say otherwise).

Considering how this day almost stumbled into yet another overly hasty lynch, I want to review things before I say much more. I was actually expecting to be killed, which was why I made the Karo comment. Ok, I will be rereading, and unlike so many people who promise similarly, I will be posting my thoughts shortly.

[Atrahal]

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

[Atrahal]

Only one thing on page 2 so far. Karo votes Meanas, supposedly putting pressure on him. This brings him up to 3. Perfect way to start a lynch train, esp if you know someone is inno. Also, low risk because if it doesn't happen, it was a joke vote anyways, no harm no foul.

On page three:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Surprising? Not if he isn't town.

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I just voted Fener to get his symp to come out of the woodwork... I knew you'd be out there!!!

remove vote
vote Anomandaris

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Whoops I forgot to vote for person the symp is symping.

Vote Meanas

Anomandaris, on 18 June 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

I voted Omtose to see the reaction I'd get which is quite damning. Your obviously his symp. I am happy with my vote for now, although Eloth's case looks interesting.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

ٌWhat i see here is obviously some people symping and some people getting symped.So i say vote the symps to see if they are symps for the symps.

vote Anomandaris

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Investigator/Symp speaks.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Well ,It seems i have a problem with the symp's avatar.I can't see it.(maybe because he is the symp)

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Obviously you're trying to make it look like you're symping me, and I don't like it! Your trickiness has not gone unnoticed!

remove vote
vote Anthras

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Only one word for you guys: symp-pathethic

Vote Meanas

So, these are all the posts on just the first page where someone jokingly accuses someone of being a symp. If we go by Omtose's logic here:

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

I think Karosis is Eloth's master, and this is the signal. It looks like he's calling Karosis a symp, but in actuality he's simply informing him "Hey, this is day 1 signalling, I'm your symp."

Karosis at the end of the day switched votes from Korv to Korbas, in and of itself not suspicious, but convenient because he doesn't have to worry because either lynch is fine as far as scum is concerned.

What caught my suspicion was this post at the beginning of Day 2.

...then I must be Anomandaris' symp, Eloth must have been Meanas' symp, Ano must be Omtose's symp, Anthras must be Ano's symp, I must be Anthras' symp, and Fener must be Meanas' symp. Seriously, I hope that you all wait for a case that actually makes sense before piling on a lynch train against me, cause this here, doesn't make ANY sense.

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

You do realize that the symp signalling that Omtose and you are referring to on page one can be applied to Ano, Anthax, Fener, and Karosis. So really that isn't a very keen pick up at all. More like trying to make shit fit back in the hole that it came out of. Messy.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

I do like how you are now backing off of Omtose and going after Karosis and myself full tilt. Kind of like you are picking up on your masters direction. Hmmm Ando perhaps.

[Atrahal]

Ok Page 4, nothing much from the two I'm following most keenly: Eloth and Karo.

Page 5, welcome back you two!

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't wanna remove my vote from Meanas cause he's a dick, and I hate dicks, but as I said from the beginning, I want to get a lynch today, so....

remove vote
vote Korvalain

He's got the most votes right now, and I won't be bringing him to L-1, so there ya have it.... The case against him is about as good as the case against Korbas...

Karo is back onto the most likely lynch train. Pushing things forward with the comment about just wanting a lynch and not much else backing it up. Even going so far as to say "look guys! no L-1 !"


And just following this post is Eloth, with a hair raising post that rereading it now starts to set my skin crawling. "Meanas lynch was a joke. Haha guys. But really, why would people think this was worth while?" and then the kicker, no comment about Karo who was on that lynch train and pushing it forward with the "I want to get rid of a dick" reasoning after that long drawn out battle with Meanas over Big Tent mafia.

Instead, Eloth moves onto saying that Korv and Meanas are probably town, but the Korb train seems solid. And then he votes for Omtose? WTF? He states the votes won't be their for Korb, correct? But then votes anew for someone with no votes? And then with the vote switch onto Korb after seeing the vote count, seems reasonable, but still I'm a little suspicious (as were others at the time). And this is what has been haunting Eloth all game long.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I just voted Fener to get his symp to come out of the woodwork... I knew you'd be out there!!!

remove vote
vote Anomandaris

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Whoops I forgot to vote for person the symp is symping.

Vote Meanas

Anomandaris, on 18 June 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

I voted Omtose to see the reaction I'd get which is quite damning. Your obviously his symp. I am happy with my vote for now, although Eloth's case looks interesting.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

ٌWhat i see here is obviously some people symping and some people getting symped.So i say vote the symps to see if they are symps for the symps.

vote Anomandaris

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Investigator/Symp speaks.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Well ,It seems i have a problem with the symp's avatar.I can't see it.(maybe because he is the symp)

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Obviously you're trying to make it look like you're symping me, and I don't like it! Your trickiness has not gone unnoticed!

remove vote
vote Anthras

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Only one word for you guys: symp-pathethic

Vote Meanas

So, these are all the posts on just the first page where someone jokingly accuses someone of being a symp. If we go by Omtose's logic here:

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

I think Karosis is Eloth's master, and this is the signal. It looks like he's calling Karosis a symp, but in actuality he's simply informing him "Hey, this is day 1 signalling, I'm your symp."

Karosis at the end of the day switched votes from Korv to Korbas, in and of itself not suspicious, but convenient because he doesn't have to worry because either lynch is fine as far as scum is concerned.

What caught my suspicion was this post at the beginning of Day 2.

...then I must be Anomandaris' symp, Eloth must have been Meanas' symp, Ano must be Omtose's symp, Anthras must be Ano's symp, I must be Anthras' symp, and Fener must be Meanas' symp. Seriously, I hope that you all wait for a case that actually makes sense before piling on a lynch train against me, cause this here, doesn't make ANY sense.

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

You do realize that the symp signalling that Omtose and you are referring to on page one can be applied to Ano, Anthax, Fener, and Karosis. So really that isn't a very keen pick up at all. More like trying to make shit fit back in the hole that it came out of. Messy.

I anticipated this comment about everyone else symping. The reason I agree with Omtose's suspicion is that the wording of that post is so careful. Declaring SYMP!, saying Karo is a symp and then saying Day 1 signaling, I caught it. Altogether, a very loud statement. If I was a killer, and this was directed at me, I would definitely look into you a little more closely, watch you, see if you were really my symp. That's why. The other symp post seemed a bit more inprecise and jokey.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Ok Page 4, nothing much from the two I'm following most keenly: Eloth and Karo.

Page 5, welcome back you two!

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't wanna remove my vote from Meanas cause he's a dick, and I hate dicks, but as I said from the beginning, I want to get a lynch today, so....

remove vote
vote Korvalain

He's got the most votes right now, and I won't be bringing him to L-1, so there ya have it.... The case against him is about as good as the case against Korbas...

Karo is back onto the most likely lynch train. Pushing things forward with the comment about just wanting a lynch and not much else backing it up. Even going so far as to say "look guys! no L-1 !"


And just following this post is Eloth, with a hair raising post that rereading it now starts to set my skin crawling. "Meanas lynch was a joke. Haha guys. But really, why would people think this was worth while?" and then the kicker, no comment about Karo who was on that lynch train and pushing it forward with the "I want to get rid of a dick" reasoning after that long drawn out battle with Meanas over Big Tent mafia.

Instead, Eloth moves onto saying that Korv and Meanas are probably town, but the Korb train seems solid. And then he votes for Omtose? WTF? He states the votes won't be their for Korb, correct? But then votes anew for someone with no votes? And then with the vote switch onto Korb after seeing the vote count, seems reasonable, but still I'm a little suspicious (as were others at the time). And this is what has been haunting Eloth all game long.

So far you are doing a very good job of attempting to get another town lynched. Please hold still while I try to figure out who your master is. Thank you for your participation.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

I do like how you are now backing off of Omtose and going after Karosis and myself full tilt. Kind of like you are picking up on your masters direction. Hmmm Ando perhaps.

Full tilt would include a vote. Not there yet. Still watching for other interactions, but I'm trying to read the game all the way through again before I land on a decision (pretty consistent with how I've been playing as you know, so patience, though keep commenting, I appreciate someone paying attention I don't do big analyses for shits and giggles after all)

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

You do realize that the symp signalling that Omtose and you are referring to on page one can be applied to Ano, Anthax, Fener, and Karosis. So really that isn't a very keen pick up at all. More like trying to make shit fit back in the hole that it came out of. Messy.

I anticipated this comment about everyone else symping. The reason I agree with Omtose's suspicion is that the wording of that post is so careful. Declaring SYMP!, saying Karo is a symp and then saying Day 1 signaling, I caught it. Altogether, a very loud statement. If I was a killer, and this was directed at me, I would definitely look into you a little more closely, watch you, see if you were really my symp. That's why. The other symp post seemed a bit more inprecise and jokey.

Soooo, mine wasn't as joky as say the multiple posts from anthras to ano about not being able to see his symp avatar. OK. Cause that makes total sense. Well I would just like to point out that you guys lynched Korv yesterday based off of partly me "symping him" he came up inno, now you want to lynch Karosis based off me having been symping him for the entire game. I am willing to take odds that he also comes up town. Ahh but then tomorrow you will have to lynch me because obviously I have been fake symping for the entire game. Not only that buttt I am doing such a brilliant job that I have not once symped my masters or had any contact with them what so ever.

Basically you are saying that either I am the best symp to have ever lived or I am the worst symp who on his first post directed direct attention to both himself and his master. So which is it?

The other option is that you are so focused on bullshit that you are completely ignoring all of the other players and their connections and also making me have to counter your and other peoples strawmaning so that I can't focus on finding the real connection to scum. Well done sir well done.


editted to change no to now
editted to get rid of a ton of fucking quotes.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 21 June 2012 - 04:44 PM

[Atrahal]

Ok, break time. Eloth, you are definitely getting uppity for someone who is being taken as a symp and is less of a target than Karo, is a candidate for scum killer. Care to try looking at the case on Karo instead of wasting your time bird dogging me? I appreciate the discussion, but your sarcasm with lack of contribution (in terms of helping us think about who is scum) is starting to rankle a little. You are spending all your time on tearing me down, not on actually building something else up with all this time you seem to have. Just saying.

[Anthras]

I just arrived home and read the new posts .What amazes me right now is how you can contribute nothing in that many posts.

[Anthras]

oh and @Atrahal@Eloth
my alt name is AnthraS not Anthrax

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

I just arrived home and read the new posts .What amazes me right now is how you can contribute nothing in that many posts.

By the way, who are you talking to? I would agree about Eloth.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

oh and @Atrahal@Eloth
my alt name is AnthraS not Anthrax

I know

[Anthras]

directed to both of ya.