[Anthras]

And don't think your act of distancing will work this late.If anyone is suspecting you this spamfighting won't redeem you in their eyes.

[Atrahal]

Oh RLY? And in three posts, have you contributed anything significant your self (oh my god, you suck!)

Btw, if you think I'm not contributing much, why? Do you disagree with what I've written or is there too much for you to read through?

[Atrahal]

Contributed in the last 4 posts....

Not much, enjoying the spam war then?

[Atrahal]

Page 6

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Another thing that I noticed that rang some bells is that both Atrahal and Eloth made a case against Omtose then jumped on one of the lynch trains almost immediately after that. I'm still digging to get something more substantial... Of the two, I like Atrahal's posts the least - he didn't seem to create much accusations himself, but used other people's accusations to put fire under the lynch Korbas train (i.e. Korbas stated he was town, which Liosan first pointed out, then basically agreeing with D'riss' accusation that Korbas was suspicious). Just seems a little scummy to me, so right now, I'm looking at either Ampelas or Atrahal. Will lay a vote down when I get some more information!

Interesting that Eloth is left out there. Chose the one who is not on your team to place suspicion on eh?

It was also on this day that Karo preempted people looking at him for fighting with Meanas and then Meanas dying. Why bring it up if no one already has? Do you think that it was that suspect? Actually makes me want to look into it more...

[Ampelas]

Here.

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Anthrax, did you want me to answer the question posed to Eloth because you think him and I are buds?

I think that the first day, Eloth was just voting in the same direction as I . On day 2, I genuinely agreed with his line of thinking, but retracted when Om responded so candidly to rethink that case and the case again Korv. Unfortunately, pressure was a little zealously overapplied to Korv, who cracked and now is dead, long before I was able to return and reassess one final time.

I am impressed at your persistence Anthrax (I've done similar things, and no one notices till it's too late, if they even notice then). Unfortunately, Eloth and I are not connected (which is probably what you expect me to say anyways, and not much I can say otherwise).

Considering how this day almost stumbled into yet another overly hasty lynch, I want to review things before I say much more. I was actually expecting to be killed, which was why I made the Karo comment. Ok, I will be rereading, and unlike so many people who promise similarly, I will be posting my thoughts shortly.

you are saying in day 1 we taught the same thing.In day 2 i though i am thinking same thing as him but then my thoughts changed but never got the time to tell them on the thread(when did you retract???).and you don't answer your day 3 same vote with eloth .
also you say no one notices until its too late,WTF? when i read this comment i thought the "too late" means its bad that no one noticed and whats bad? no one noticing a good case against scum.

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

every single thing here already said on thread.why should Karo acknowledge this post?does it say "Karo, i am day1 signalling my vote to you".

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Ok Page 4, nothing much from the two I'm following most keenly: Eloth and Karo.

Page 5, welcome back you two!

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't wanna remove my vote from Meanas cause he's a dick, and I hate dicks, but as I said from the beginning, I want to get a lynch today, so....

remove vote
vote Korvalain

He's got the most votes right now, and I won't be bringing him to L-1, so there ya have it.... The case against him is about as good as the case against Korbas...

Karo is back onto the most likely lynch train. Pushing things forward with the comment about just wanting a lynch and not much else backing it up. Even going so far as to say "look guys! no L-1 !"


And just following this post is Eloth, with a hair raising post that rereading it now starts to set my skin crawling. "Meanas lynch was a joke. Haha guys. But really, why would people think this was worth while?" and then the kicker, no comment about Karo who was on that lynch train and pushing it forward with the "I want to get rid of a dick" reasoning after that long drawn out battle with Meanas over Big Tent mafia.

Instead, Eloth moves onto saying that Korv and Meanas are probably town, but the Korb train seems solid. And then he votes for Omtose? WTF? He states the votes won't be their for Korb, correct? But then votes anew for someone with no votes? And then with the vote switch onto Korb after seeing the vote count, seems reasonable, but still I'm a little suspicious (as were others at the time). And this is what has been haunting Eloth all game long.

Already said on thread.Again

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I just voted Fener to get his symp to come out of the woodwork... I knew you'd be out there!!!

remove vote
vote Anomandaris

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Whoops I forgot to vote for person the symp is symping.

Vote Meanas

Anomandaris, on 18 June 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

I voted Omtose to see the reaction I'd get which is quite damning. Your obviously his symp. I am happy with my vote for now, although Eloth's case looks interesting.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

ٌWhat i see here is obviously some people symping and some people getting symped.So i say vote the symps to see if they are symps for the symps.

vote Anomandaris

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Investigator/Symp speaks.

Anthras, on 18 June 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Well ,It seems i have a problem with the symp's avatar.I can't see it.(maybe because he is the symp)

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Obviously you're trying to make it look like you're symping me, and I don't like it! Your trickiness has not gone unnoticed!

remove vote
vote Anthras

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Only one word for you guys: symp-pathethic

Vote Meanas

So, these are all the posts on just the first page where someone jokingly accuses someone of being a symp. If we go by Omtose's logic here:

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

I think Karosis is Eloth's master, and this is the signal. It looks like he's calling Karosis a symp, but in actuality he's simply informing him "Hey, this is day 1 signalling, I'm your symp."

Karosis at the end of the day switched votes from Korv to Korbas, in and of itself not suspicious, but convenient because he doesn't have to worry because either lynch is fine as far as scum is concerned.

What caught my suspicion was this post at the beginning of Day 2.

...then I must be Anomandaris' symp, Eloth must have been Meanas' symp, Ano must be Omtose's symp, Anthras must be Ano's symp, I must be Anthras' symp, and Fener must be Meanas' symp. Seriously, I hope that you all wait for a case that actually makes sense before piling on a lynch train against me, cause this here, doesn't make ANY sense.

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Page 1 of 11 and my first though. Very keen pickup on day 1 signaling Om. Reading that page again, I agree that the wording of Eloth's post sounds like a symp signaling to someone he knows is a master. And the symp knows his masters while his masters don't know their symp, so Eloth has to be explicit, which is what the wording sounds like to me.

What is also interesting, augmenting this observation, is that Karo doesn't even acknowledge this post. Karo and Eloth will say, and correctly so, that everyone was having fun with the concept of finding symps, but no one else seemed to have such a blatant choice of words.


I will need to read on to see if there is interaction or overtdistancing from this point onward.

You do realize that the symp signalling that Omtose and you are referring to on page one can be applied to Ano, Anthax, Fener, and Karosis. So really that isn't a very keen pick up at all. More like trying to make shit fit back in the hole that it came out of. Messy.

I anticipated this comment about everyone else symping. The reason I agree with Omtose's suspicion is that the wording of that post is so careful. Declaring SYMP!, saying Karo is a symp and then saying Day 1 signaling, I caught it. Altogether, a very loud statement. If I was a killer, and this was directed at me, I would definitely look into you a little more closely, watch you, see if you were really my symp. That's why. The other symp post seemed a bit more inprecise and jokey.

Agreeing with Omtose.nothing new



you have not answered my questions and almost every post of yours is repeating/with no merit . and you OMGUS me!

Edit:Before my last 4 post i didn't post"Unlike other people who have said the same,i am going to actually ..."

This post has been edited by Anthras: 21 June 2012 - 06:38 PM

[Ampelas]

I'll just expend the one post responding to accusations against me this time, seeing as it's exactly the same as last time.

@ Liosan

You don't like me and suspect me because I am a low contributor, that's what you say. But then when I do say something, when I do outline the kinds of ways I would approach the game or who I would look to lynch, or who I find suspect and who I vote for....

That apparently actually makes me more suspicious in your eyes, because I'm no longer fitting your stereotype of a low contributor!

Shall I stand still then?

Shall I not move an inch, as apparently any which way I go it'll be suspicious?

If you want me to continue low posting and saying nothing, then fine, I can easily do that. I can go back into that comfortable little box, because apparently one can't be active at some points, and inactive at others. That's just too much change for others to handle.

But if you want me to contribute, then how about you don't leap down my throat at the first sign of me attempting to do so?

That's the last I'll say on the matter until someone comes up with some entirely new bullshit to lay at my feet.

[Atrahal]

Page 7.
Look, something not about Karosis and Eloth! The reason I went out of my way here was to shed a new thought on the big topic of day 2: why did Korb get lynched instead of Korv and who were responsible for that lynch. The chief suspects were Eloth, Karo, Liosan, and myself. Now that we know that Korb and Korv were not killers (Korv could have been a symp, but we just can't know yet), I am looking back at the progression of those two lynches. Liosan was given flak for putting Korb at L-1. If he had been scum, there would have been no reason for him to put himself in this risky position, which I think bespeaks of his non-scumminess. That still leaves the other three...

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 20 June 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Well to be fair, it was day 1 and we needed a lynch. No one wants to go without a lynch and there was pressure from everyone on who to go for. Others have already examined the train and poined out that it was the switch of atrahal and eloth that tipped it in favour of korbas. To be fair to both of them, I was always feeling more inclined to korbas than korvalain, while karosis switched twice, first to push korvalain ahead and then to hammer korbas.

I see your point but I disagree somewhat I just had to go away a little while. I think YOU, Atrahal and Eloth made sure Korbas was put down. I'll have some time to go through it but Eloth certainly didn't want Korvalian lynched with his Omtose vote and then swap to Korbas. You could have split the votes but you went and put Korbas at L1 instead.

Well i was about to leave, and i think I would rather be accused of putting korbas to L-1 than to have said i was going to vote and fucking off instead. No one could have known korbas was the finder so the idea that three of us (when there are two killers) coordinated to get korbas lynched is preposterous. I cant speak for eloth, but unlike korbas who used the 'i am town' defence not once but twice, korvalain answered the questions put to him and so for me was the less suspicious of the two.

So sarcasm. A quick thought. You know how people, when they are being passive aggressive, say something mean followed by "just kidding." It's a great way to sneak in a jab without being culpable for it ("it was all in jest after all!!"). Now work with me for a sec. What if Eloth and Karo know they are on the same team? They will continue to interact somewhat to not get called out for complete avoidance (excellent case making material). But Eloth, despite discussing a situation where Karo played an integral role, still discounts Karo as not smart enough. Sarcasm... indeed, but seeds are planted. Eloth thinks Karo isn't worth listening to, or at least his less wise moves are more stupidity than malicious intent. A stretch, I know, but I'm still working on the gestalt.

Eloth, on 20 June 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 20 June 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Well to be fair, it was day 1 and we needed a lynch. No one wants to go without a lynch and there was pressure from everyone on who to go for. Others have already examined the train and poined out that it was the switch of atrahal and eloth that tipped it in favour of korbas. To be fair to both of them, I was always feeling more inclined to korbas than korvalain, while karosis switched twice, first to push korvalain ahead and then to hammer korbas.

I see your point but I disagree somewhat I just had to go away a little while. I think YOU, Atrahal and Eloth made sure Korbas was put down. I'll have some time to go through it but Eloth certainly didn't want Korvalian lynched with his Omtose vote and then swap to Korbas. You could have split the votes but you went and put Korbas at L1 instead.

Warning this is sarcasm....WARNING THE BELOW IS SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well done sir. You have caught me out. I did want Korbas to go down. I had completely figured out that he was the finder. I also conspired off line with Liosan and Atrahal. We thought about bringing Karosis into the conversation but held off because he isn't mentally stable. The reason you weren't included (which is why your so pissy now) is because you weren't around and have only now seen your in box. The reason that the three of us decided to conspire off line is because we have decided to sabotage all mafia games for ever more. Muhahahahaha. But now you have found us out.

We would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those kids and that darn dog.


END OF SARCASM. THE ABOVE WAS SARCASM


Now I am for analyzing trains but come on. Both Korbas and Korv were tied for a while. I thought that based on the korbas case and his style of play that he was scummier.

[Ampelas]

I've voted for Karosis because I liked the case by Omtose. Yes, I had and still do have suspicions of Omtose, but unlike some others I'm not twisted by them to such an extent that I will not listen to anything Omtose says. My suspicions of Omtose do not rest on much that is concrete except for a general style of play, so until they do solidify/if they do solidify, I will continue to listen to what Omtose has to say - just as with everyone else.

I like the case on Karosis. I voted on it. I voted on it straight away because I knew I wouldn't be back until a long time after (i.e. just now), so I wanted to post my few thoughts on it in the few minutes before I had to dash off again.

At this moment in time, my biggest suspects for killers are Karosis, Omtose, Anomandaris, and Atrahal.

Karosis due to the Omtose case, and when focusing in on his attacks on me, I also notice that they come AFTER others have posted near-identical suspicions already - it's more aping the calls of others than anything else.
Omtose due to previous general non-commital play style, the "I've a feeling Korbas is going to come up inno" post on day 1, and, if I think on it, it might also be argued that this case by Omtose comes after several people have pointed out his apparent wishy-washiness, so it might be seeking to deflect those accusations.
Anomandaris because he's there but not there, if you know what I mean. Frequently around, but never memorable. At least for me anyway. And that's just where you want to be as scum, off the radar.
Atrahal because he darts around, he bites, he stings, he withdraws, he seeks another target. Seems to ask lots of questions, which is arguably a sign of someone looking to pierce the thoughts of others without letting them in on theirs, and looking to start discussion but without being seen to lead it. Perhaps more the fit of a symp than a killer.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

you are saying in day 1 we taught the same thing.In day 2 i though i am thinking same thing as him but then my thoughts changed but never got the time to tell them on the thread(when did you retract???).and you don't answer your day 3 same vote with eloth .
also you say no one notices until its too late,WTF? when i read this comment i thought the "too late" means its bad that no one noticed and whats bad? no one noticing a good case against scum.


every single thing here already said on thread.why should Karo acknowledge this post?does it say "Karo, i am day1 signalling my vote to you".


Already said on thread.Again


Agreeing with Omtose.nothing new



you have not answered my questions and almost every post of yours is repeating/with no merit . and you OMGUS me!

Edit:Before my last 4 post i didn't post"Unlike other people who have said the same,i am going to actually ..."

Quotes deleted for the sake of all our o'er strained eyes. Help me out here Anthrax. I am having trouble following what you are asking. To what "retraction" are you referring? And same day 3 vote as Eloth? I haven't voted today iirc.

As for noticing till it's too late, I am speaking of prior games where I haven't let go of a suspect all game long and in the end I'm right. You are clinging to me all game long, and even though you are wrong in considering me scum, I find your persistence somewhat admirable if not very annoying.

If you skim my posts, it does look like I'm rehashing what Omtose said. What I am doing is independently examining these pages, acknowledging when I discuss something Omtose has brought up, and then adding my own additional thoughts on top (which if you are reading, you'll notice I do say things not commented on by Omtose...)

As for the OMGUS part, not in a very light mood eh?

I do have one response to that, however immature:

[Atrahal]

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I've voted for Karosis because I liked the case by Omtose. Yes, I had and still do have suspicions of Omtose, but unlike some others I'm not twisted by them to such an extent that I will not listen to anything Omtose says. My suspicions of Omtose do not rest on much that is concrete except for a general style of play, so until they do solidify/if they do solidify, I will continue to listen to what Omtose has to say - just as with everyone else.

I like the case on Karosis. I voted on it. I voted on it straight away because I knew I wouldn't be back until a long time after (i.e. just now), so I wanted to post my few thoughts on it in the few minutes before I had to dash off again.

At this moment in time, my biggest suspects for killers are Karosis, Omtose, Anomandaris, and Atrahal.

Karosis due to the Omtose case, and when focusing in on his attacks on me, I also notice that they come AFTER others have posted near-identical suspicions already - it's more aping the calls of others than anything else.
Omtose due to previous general non-commital play style, the "I've a feeling Korbas is going to come up inno" post on day 1, and, if I think on it, it might also be argued that this case by Omtose comes after several people have pointed out his apparent wishy-washiness, so it might be seeking to deflect those accusations.
Anomandaris because he's there but not there, if you know what I mean. Frequently around, but never memorable. At least for me anyway. And that's just where you want to be as scum, off the radar.
Atrahal because he darts around, he bites, he stings, he withdraws, he seeks another target. Seems to ask lots of questions, which is arguably a sign of someone looking to pierce the thoughts of others without letting them in on theirs, and looking to start discussion but without being seen to lead it. Perhaps more the fit of a symp than a killer.

I like this description of me. Esp. the point that I'm trying to pierce other's thoughts. That's what I'm trying to do. As for the rest, I beg to differ. I'm a little more wordy than say D'riss, but I am trying to get discussion going, not hog the thread. I also answer questions in addition to asking them, which I think is telling as to my intents. I don't just defend myself without providing deeper insights (like Eloth), I don't try call people parrots or apes without trying to put my own independent thoughts out there (like anthrax), and I don't ignore questions..

[D'riss]

I've been trying to get a re-read in between working, an it looks like I have run out of time. I have some half-formed thoughts about a link between Anthras and Ampelas, but nothing substantial at this stage, and it is going to take another read to sort that all out in my head.

This, though, is driving me nuts:

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

I'll just expend the one post responding to accusations against me this time, seeing as it's exactly the same as last time.

@ Liosan

You don't like me and suspect me because I am a low contributor, that's what you say. But then when I do say something, when I do outline the kinds of ways I would approach the game or who I would look to lynch, or who I find suspect and who I vote for....

That apparently actually makes me more suspicious in your eyes, because I'm no longer fitting your stereotype of a low contributor!

Shall I stand still then?

Shall I not move an inch, as apparently any which way I go it'll be suspicious?

If you want me to continue low posting and saying nothing, then fine, I can easily do that. I can go back into that comfortable little box, because apparently one can't be active at some points, and inactive at others. That's just too much change for others to handle.

But if you want me to contribute, then how about you don't leap down my throat at the first sign of me attempting to do so?

That's the last I'll say on the matter until someone comes up with some entirely new bullshit to lay at my feet.

The so-called "contribution" is a random collection of names and a suggestion that we lynch any one of them, to give us more information. Not because we think they are scum. But because it will give us some information, probably along the lines of a small number of people who object to random lynchings, and then get lynched themselves. Way to kill of a whole lot of town. Call me cranky, but I am sick of this. Amp has continuously played up either his potential for in-depth posts, or his contributions to the game.

Vote Ampelas.

This might be the last you hear from me for a while, due to my long weekend. I'm going away, and internet access might be iffy.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 hours and 42 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Anomandaris, Anthras )
2 Votes for Karosis ( Omtose, Ampelas )
2 Votes for Ampelas ( Karosis, Driss )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Liosan

-Liz

[Karosis]

Well, Atrahal seems to be building a big case against me, with a pile of crap as the basis. As far as I can tell, I have already responded to everything Atrahal has said, so he's just dredging up old arguments. If I see anything I haven't responded to, or that deserves a real response, I will respond to him. So, I'm just going to continue pounding at Ampelas, cause he's my main suspect right now. If you all lynch me and I CF town, please, will you finally look at him a little more seriously?

So....

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Mostly what I like about today is how a couple of sides have been drawn, a few seeming alliances made. There's Liosan, Anomandaris, Karosis and perhaps D'riss. There's Eloth and Atrahal and possibly Anthras (sigh, I already see I'm going to have to read through again).

A productive lynch would be to lynch one of these, see how the trains develop, see how these semi-alliances hold up, see the CF, and then analyse accordingly. Now that would be fruitful.

It's funny how quickly things change eh? At any rate, as was pointed out, Amp fails to mention himself, Omtose and Fener (maybe another?). Anyway, this post doesn't really say much of anything, besides trying to draw lines between two groups of people, and leaving a few people out of it completely, then stating basic Mafia theory.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

It was necessary to list the names in order to point out the worth of doing something like this as a counter-argument to the low poster lynch and as a pointer of why I believe today has been very useful. As I also said, I'm going to need to read through again. This in order to make a decision on who would be best to vote for as likeliest scum.

Unfortunately, this also goes against my predilection for voting Omtose. Having said that, though, I suppose Omtose by default falls into the anti-Eloth camp.

From posts made, I think my preference would be to vote Omtose (although it's now night technically, right?)
From interactions and links with/against other players, my vote would be Eloth or Atrahal.

No cases now though, it's too late, I'm too tired, and in any case my internet shuts in four minutes.

Amp does a good job at continuing to distance himself from Omtose. Note that Omtose has never once really been in danger, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we actually followed his case and threw some votes at Omtose. Though, I figure if Amp is a killer, he knows Omtose is town. I can't see Omtose as his paired killer, even though Omtose was never really in danger, Amp HAS been putting the spotlight on him. So next, if Amp is town, he obviously thinks that Omtose is a killer. Now, I never really liked Amp's case on Omtose, it was thin at best. So maybe he's a symp trying to displace attention.

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

You know what, despite what I was saying earlier about you, I like this case a lot Omtose. Plus, you having made it kind of now invalidates the non-commital argument. As for Karosis, I think I've ben blinded to most of the things he's said thus far because I was solely focusing on his attempts to indict me, but now several people have pointed out other dodgy behaviour, including this case.

vote Karosis

I won't be around for the next 12 hours or so.

Then all of a sudden he joins Omtose on a lynch train, a lynch train that started over a silly day 1 joke post. He's been actively campaigning for Omtose's lynch since the beginning of the game, then all of a sudden just follows him willy-nilly. I think this is probably the most suspect thing that's happened in the last two days. Why the sudden change of heart Ampelas? You answered Liosan's accusations, but you have conveniently ignored me and my accusations.

Ampelas is doing just enough to stay under everyone's radar, and THAT is good scum play. If he's not a killer, he's a symp, and his masters haven't been in any real trouble, so he hasn't had to really stick his neck out. I have been trying to boost Liosan's case against him, so it makes sense to me for Amp to jump on a lynch train against me. I think that an Amp lynch would be a good idea, if he doesn't CF killer, then I would start looking at people who haven't gotten much attention (maybe Anomandaris or D'Riss? They are about the only two who haven't gotten some case love).

[Atrahal]

Hard to say Amp has been doing anything active all game long Karo. Also, you have forgotten entirely to mention Eloth, who is the main one harping on Omtose, not Amp. Plus, the first real case (if you could call it that) brought up by Amp was against Anthras for begging for a lynch on day 1.

You Karo, on the other hand, just discounted nearly a page worth of post with no comment. Do I truly believe you read those posts? Nope. Esp since I am harping really hard on a connection between you and Eloth, a name you are studiously avoiding.

Your response is enough for me.

Vote Karosis.

[Ampelas]

D, on 21 June 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

I've been trying to get a re-read in between working, an it looks like I have run out of time. I have some half-formed thoughts about a link between Anthras and Ampelas, but nothing substantial at this stage, and it is going to take another read to sort that all out in my head.

This, though, is driving me nuts:

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

I'll just expend the one post responding to accusations against me this time, seeing as it's exactly the same as last time.

@ Liosan

You don't like me and suspect me because I am a low contributor, that's what you say. But then when I do say something, when I do outline the kinds of ways I would approach the game or who I would look to lynch, or who I find suspect and who I vote for....

That apparently actually makes me more suspicious in your eyes, because I'm no longer fitting your stereotype of a low contributor!

Shall I stand still then?

Shall I not move an inch, as apparently any which way I go it'll be suspicious?

If you want me to continue low posting and saying nothing, then fine, I can easily do that. I can go back into that comfortable little box, because apparently one can't be active at some points, and inactive at others. That's just too much change for others to handle.

But if you want me to contribute, then how about you don't leap down my throat at the first sign of me attempting to do so?

That's the last I'll say on the matter until someone comes up with some entirely new bullshit to lay at my feet.

The so-called "contribution" is a random collection of names and a suggestion that we lynch any one of them, to give us more information. Not because we think they are scum. But because it will give us some information, probably along the lines of a small number of people who object to random lynchings, and then get lynched themselves. Way to kill of a whole lot of town. Call me cranky, but I am sick of this. Amp has continuously played up either his potential for in-depth posts, or his contributions to the game.

Vote Ampelas.

This might be the last you hear from me for a while, due to my long weekend. I'm going away, and internet access might be iffy.

Of course we should lynch them because we don't think they're scum. That's exactly what I said.

No, no, wait, I didn't. It's like you're twisting my words or something - gasp!

What I was getting at, which I believe is pretty obvious, is that I liked how day 2 shaped out, and IF one of those people happened to be lynched because enough agreed that they were suspicious enough, then even IF they didn't turn out to be scum, it would give us a whole lot to go on. I was applauding the day, but now you're just being deliberately retarded.

When have I ever played myself up? That's just plain incorrect. In fact, going back through my posts, you'll see that I've more than once said that I admittedly haven't done much of anything at all as yet, for which I'm sorry for.

But D'riss' posts suggest that he would rather lynch low posters than those who could give more info should they unfortunately come up inno. Again his main gripe is that I haven't done anything, rather than that I've behaved in certain ways with certain people or given away some sort of clue as to what I could be. Way to go. Call me crazy, but your way of doing things makes as much sense to me as mine apparently does to you.

Also:

"Way to kill off a whole lot of town", says D'riss. So you are saying that all those I named will turn up town? That's interesting. But how could you be so sure about such a thing?

[Ampelas]

Lol @ Karosis for "Ampelas actively campaigning against Omtose."

It was hard-fought, spread over a good two or three posts, and of course I was constantly banging the drum all the hours and hours I was here.

On another note, I actually agree with Karosis that the likes of Anomandaris (who I also pointed out a few posts ago) and D'riss should be looked at more. Damn I hate having to agree with people I'd like to lynch

[Karosis]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Hard to say Amp has been doing anything active all game long Karo. Also, you have forgotten entirely to mention Eloth, who is the main one harping on Omtose, not Amp. Plus, the first real case (if you could call it that) brought up by Amp was against Anthras for begging for a lynch on day 1.

You Karo, on the other hand, just discounted nearly a page worth of post with no comment. Do I truly believe you read those posts? Nope. Esp since I am harping really hard on a connection between you and Eloth, a name you are studiously avoiding.

Your response is enough for me.

Vote Karosis.

I apologize for dismissing your repeating cases that I've already answered to, though you're right, I didn't say anything about Eloth, but what do you want me to say? You've taken pretty much every one of my quotes out of context, and said that everytime I explained something, I was just doing some clumsy retconning. Eloth and I haven't had to chat cause we've never really found ourselves at opposite ends of a stick. Eloth has pretty much refuted what you've had to say about our supposed alliance. Your entire case rests on your assumption that I'm a clumsy killer, or MAYBE Eloth's symp, but if I were either, I have to be one of the worst scum that Mafia has ever seen. Anyway, I believe you're town, and I'm happy to see that you're at least making effort to make actual cases. I wish it hadn't been against me, but what can ya do.

Like I said, if you guys lynch me, and you find out that I'm town, look at Ampelas.

[Karosis]

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

On another note, I actually agree with Karosis that the likes of Anomandaris (who I also pointed out a few posts ago) and D'riss should be looked at more. Damn I hate having to agree with people I'd like to lynch

Wow, you were pretty quick to distance yourself from the two I suggested you might be symping.

[Atrahal]

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

I apologize for dismissing your repeating cases that I've already answered to, though you're right, I didn't say anything about Eloth, but what do you want me to say? You've taken pretty much every one of my quotes out of context, and said that everytime I explained something, I was just doing some clumsy retconning. Eloth and I haven't had to chat cause we've never really found ourselves at opposite ends of a stick. Eloth has pretty much refuted what you've had to say about our supposed alliance. Your entire case rests on your assumption that I'm a clumsy killer, or MAYBE Eloth's symp, but if I were either, I have to be one of the worst scum that Mafia has ever seen. Anyway, I believe you're town, and I'm happy to see that you're at least making effort to make actual cases. I wish it hadn't been against me, but what can ya do.

Like I said, if you guys lynch me, and you find out that I'm town, look at Ampelas.

OH NO! MY SECRET HAS BEEN REVEALED! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

You need to work on your apologies dude. You come across as extremely patronizing. And how can you know they were repeating when you didn't read them?

To summarize for Your Laziness, you have taken on a very forward leadership role in this game, pointing fingers all over the place, putting down votes that nudge voting clumps into lynch trains, and hammering happily, putting in necessary caveats (such as "I'll wait to hammer, oops, no one showed up in under an hour, hammer-time" and "God I hate this dick and his self-voting. KILL THE DICK").

You aren't clumsy at all. You are very forceful. And the reason I push the Eloth angle is that within the context of the signaling, it is interesting to watch you and Eloth avoid each other, play off town, putting forth suspicions and somehow staying out of each other's way despite all the questions directed at you two.

You play well, for scum.