[Fener]

People making serious signalling while also making with the funny? IT CANNOT BE BORNE!

I like the case, more for the interaction than for the symp, as I really don't think it would be at all wise for any symp to stand out so much on Day 1. It could have seriously bit Eloth on the ass, and would have been a risky play.

I did feel that Karosis pre-empt on Meanas was dodgy, but there wasn't much else to it at the time. Given that we were completely off-track with Korv, it probably makes sense to switch focus to some low-flying targets, and Karosis certainly fits that bill.


Vote Karosis


Edit: "certainly"

This post has been edited by Fener: 21 June 2012 - 07:48 AM

[Liosan]

I think you guys have that case arse about face, karosis has voted for near everybody and jumps on every case going. At best he is a symp, but hell no one is going to go for ampelas it seems, so my case is just falling on deaf ears.

vote karosis

Dont think he is a killer, but he could be symping anyone as he seems like he just wants to lynch lynch lynch, and it seems not to care who the target is.

[Liosan]

in fact kinda amusing how ampelas grouped everybody, left out omtose and fener and now the three of them started a lynch train on karosis.

[Omtose]

Isnt there a ton of time left? That was afast two votes after mine.
And i must admit that i left something out of my case. I had Amp for Karosis' partner based on my read. I didnt say that because i wanted to test that. Now that he jumped on right away, that idea is dashed...

[Liosan]

aFraid distancing yourself from ampelas now isnt going to work omtose, he ignored you on his little, and i mean little, thread round up post and then followed you onto a case. Considering the fact my case has been ignored for two days I am going to go with the flow today. It looked like speed lynching was the order of business yesterday so if we are going to just go for whoever gets a few votes then fuck it, lets make no effort and put nothing on thread for anyone to discuss and rely on luck to win!!

[Fener]

Speed lynching? I hardly think that's accurate. The lynch only happened around about the time Day timed out, so far as I recall without reading back. Mis-characterising the events of the day is not useful to anyone.

[Omtose]

Now who is trying to direct the thread...

I was being honest, if you want to believe it is distancing I cant prove otherwise･ I will explain why i connected the two when o get home to my computer since i am on my phone now.

[Liosan]

Korvalain, on 20 June 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Frankly I'm getting sick of defending myself. And if I defend myself then I'm accused of scrambling, and if I don't then I'm avoiding the issue. I don't feel like we are making any real progress against team scum because of this, and I'll be damned if I want to spend another day doing this.

Good fucking luck. Go fuck yourselves.

vote Korvalain

this was 9.25pm gmt, day would have timed out at 3.05 am so thats what six hours before day ended? Now Korv didnt lynch themselves...............without help (couldnt resist that one sorry) so yeah I think when your pushed to 4 of six votes pretty quick and then lynched six hours before the end of day its a speed lynch.

@omtose - I tried for two days to get people to listen to my amp case, i admit defeat, you just cant convince people to vote off non contributing players.

[Anomandaris]

I need to have another read through. I'm not convinced of this case on Karosis, especially how he now has 4 votes out of 6 with over 24 hours to go. We lynched Korv because we thought Eloth could have been his symp, and for other reasons. Now today we are going to lynch Karosis because we think Eloth is his symp and other reasons. For me the only constant in the two cases is Eloth. We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.

I could see Amp as a possible partner as his play has definately changed. He admitted (I think) to low posting or being a low poster on day one and some of day two and now his activity has hiked and his cases seem strong. Omtose has been attacked or accused by one or two players over the course of the game and his case looks okay but I think Karosis could be a symp with his play compared to Eloth and Amp's play. (mentioning Omtose here because he might feel the need to provide an alternative to himself as Amp was looking at him yesterday, setting him up for today).

In fact looking at what people have said Karosis does stand out as a symp, I don't think scum would have hammered like he did with over an hour to go.

Vote Eloth

[Fener]

One another note, can anyone think of a reason there was no kill during this night period?

[Liosan]

Fener, on 21 June 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

One another note, can anyone think of a reason there was no kill during this night period?

Its either a healer chose well, or the killers decided not to kill. Somehow i doubt it was the latter. Either way neither one will come forward to talk about it, or are you wanting a role reveal again, i seem to recall you getting accused of that before.

[Anthras]

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

I need to have another read through. I'm not convinced of this case on Karosis, especially how he now has 4 votes out of 6 with over 24 hours to go. We lynched Korv because we thought Eloth could have been his symp, and for other reasons. Now today we are going to lynch Karosis because we think Eloth is his symp and other reasons. For me the only constant in the two cases is Eloth. We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.

I could see Amp as a possible partner as his play has definately changed. He admitted (I think) to low posting or being a low poster on day one and some of day two and now his activity has hiked and his cases seem strong. Omtose has been attacked or accused by one or two players over the course of the game and his case looks okay but I think Karosis could be a symp with his play compared to Eloth and Amp's play. (mentioning Omtose here because he might feel the need to provide an alternative to himself as Amp was looking at him yesterday, setting him up for today).

In fact looking at what people have said Karosis does stand out as a symp, I don't think scum would have hammered like he did with over an hour to go.

Vote Eloth

Something i can agree with.
As i stated earlier Eloth and Atrahal look very suspicious because they have voted on person all times.first day Atrahal was voting Korv then Eloth votes Korb and immediately Atrahal changes vote to Korbas.then day 2 they both vote Omtose and now i think my best vote would be on Eloth as he already has another vote on him.


Vote Eloth

[D'riss]

So, the first thing that stands out to me is Ampelas. He returns with promises of looking at all the 'good information' that is on thread, but spends all his time devoting himself to answering each individual post against him, throws some half-hearted linking suspicions on thread, suggests lynching any one of 7 people NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUM but because the lynch will get us some (dubious) information, jumps on Omtose's case and then leaves again. It is his linking post that has me the most suspicious, he has randomly grouped a bunch of people together and avdocated lynching any of them. It is a weak attempt at looking like contributing while doing nothing of the sort. I'm usually against lynching people simply for low posting, generally they come back as bored townie, but Ampelas has been given several days to contribute and has done nothing, along with the linking post and his jump in with Omtose, which is going beyond the pale.

I want to go back and have a look at the interactions between Ampelas and Omtose, and also look again at the case around Eloth and Karosis, before I make a vote.

[Fener]

Liosan, on 21 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Fener, on 21 June 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

One another note, can anyone think of a reason there was no kill during this night period?

Its either a healer chose well, or the killers decided not to kill. Somehow i doubt it was the latter. Either way neither one will come forward to talk about it, or are you wanting a role reveal again, i seem to recall you getting accused of that before.

Yeah, I thought of a healer just after I posted that. Just thinking on-thread, really. I don't expect anyone to reveal themselves, but I hadn't thought through the implications of having a finder before. Seems abvious in hindsight that if we have a finder, we're gonna have another (a few other) roled townies. Heck, the OP even says there are roled townies.

So if the no-kill last night was down to a good choice from any healer role, then kudos to whoever it was. I agree, I don't think any killers are going to forgo a kill -- at least, I can't think of a good reason to do so.

[Anthras]

I just noticed that karosis is on L-2.And i strongly recommend that someone remove vote from him so that the situation will not get out of hand like yesterday.we still have a lot of time.

[Liosan]

remove vote

Wont be back for a while, and I have calmed down a little so going to remove my vote.

[Omtose]

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.



Vote Eloth

He hasn't deflected because he hasn't been on since I made the case...

His play doesn't seem like a killer at all. That balls-out play Day 2 makes that seem unlikely to me.
I'd be more willing to bet Amp is a killer than Eloth.

My case on Karosis mostly stands on Eloth being a symp. Amp coming on and voting only blows the partner theory out of the water, not whether Karosis is scum or not.

Man, I don't know - I was really hoping Amp would come on and poo-poo the case.

[Anthras]

I would hope that the kill last night was because of a good guard so that we can get good information..(the guard can get good info and i am NOT asking him to reveal himself)

[Anomandaris]

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.



Vote Eloth

He hasn't deflected because he hasn't been on since I made the case...

His play doesn't seem like a killer at all. That balls-out play Day 2 makes that seem unlikely to me.
I'd be more willing to bet Amp is a killer than Eloth.

My case on Karosis mostly stands on Eloth being a symp. Amp coming on and voting only blows the partner theory out of the water, not whether Karosis is scum or not.

Man, I don't know - I was really hoping Amp would come on and poo-poo the case.

If Amp is one of the killers then it'd make sense for him to get in early on his partners train to distance himself. If he did it late on that would of been suspect but look at your response to his vote. It makes you look the other way.

[Anthras]

and Korv could have been the Symp.(OP clearly states that symp CF is innocent )