[Galain]

I shall be out of the thread for more than 10 hours - I'm working a double-shift at work, so I'll be back tonight. Feeling pretty good about my vote unless someone comes up with a really good reason why we shouldn't be hunting the Batman again today or why Emur is playing like new scum.

[Korbas]

In other news, my bank is being a (collective) bag of dicks.

Sleep.

[Path-Shaper]

here's another message from everyone's favourite enterpreneur turned criminal, Cobblepot:

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So, it seems the tales of the Batman are true, but really, who names themselves after a mangy flying rodent? Can't say that I've ran across any vermin flitting around, but being a dabbler in dirty deals, I've seen quite a few guns and knives change hands. I've never noticed Rashan or Karosis packing, and while Telas used to be wearing armor and carrying a bat, he isn't anymore."

[Anomandaris]

Just checking in. I've been absurdly busy today and will also be busy tomorrow for the vast majority of the day. Tomorrow during work I will try to catch up / keep up and throw a vote down wherever the prime BM suspect is.

[D'riss]

That message was pretty cagey. Why not just outright state who your suspects are?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 24 hours and 21 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Telas

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korbas ( Emurlahn )
3 Votes for Emurlahn ( Korbas, Rashan, Galain )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose, Telas

-Liz

[D'riss]

My inclination is towards Emurlahn as well, for now I'll let us see where things go before adding a vote.

[Omtose]

Anomandaris, on 12 June 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

Just checking in. I've been absurdly busy today and will also be busy tomorrow for the vast majority of the day. Tomorrow during work I will try to catch up / keep up and throw a vote down wherever the prime BM suspect is.

Translation: I'll be happy to throw my vote down on any train because I'll vig who I want later.

[D'riss]

That's some nice translating. Wanna forward me that Rosetta Stone?

[Omtose]

D, on 12 June 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

That's some nice translating. Wanna forward me that Rosetta Stone?

Actually its a Captain Crunch decoder ring.

[D'riss]

Better drink your Ovaltine? A crummy ad? Blah.

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

I forgot about Shelly. Although I am still uncertain as to whether BM killed them. If CL's have killing powers which they could have then why would a rival CL not take out Shelly? Shelly was being rather annoying and one of the broadcasts did point to her and me.

I cannot be BM. Not today anyway. I have a gun that I can used tomorrow. IF I was BM I wouldn't want to just buy one more day as this would see me taken out tomorrow if you don't see the gun used. The BM HAS to die twice more. If I was one death then that'd make it harder for the last BM to win the game.

Having a gun that can be used tomorrow is not good enough to prove you're not the Batman. Remember how Spite was coming up with all those scenarios about keeping him alive another night in order to prove his innocence? Well that's what you sound like when you try to pull stuff like this. If you're going to provide proof, it has to be today. You have been sounding very shifty since the thread re-opened, as others have said. Also, I noticed you lying, which makes me suspicious:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I would've voted if it was needed for the lynch but Galain was holding off and said he would vote and other people were able to vote also. Normally I vote everyday so yesterday was a first.

Atrahal didn't vote day one when we needed the lynch. Do you think he had prior knowledge of this mechanic beforehand?

And yet you shot Eloth on Day 3. In order to have done that, you must have had a cache. You believe Galain's logic about only getting the Cache if you're not on the lynch train, so in order to have got that cache you would have had to have not been on a train. There is a clear contradiction between that and the underlined.

Day one there was no lynch. I was on the highest train though

[Emurlahn]

I was recruited last night Galain, my views before night resolution and after are going to be different. I want to catch the BM too. Your looking in the wrong direction with me.

[Fener]

Ok, I'm going to start my cause on Karosis here. First, I agree that Emur is overreacting majorly and could be the Bat. I'm willing to vote that way. He's made a number of ridiculous posts like the one below and he's almost in freak out mode. Clear sign of "fresh fish" or new scum, but it could just be town or recruit finally getting time to play.

He definitely has a little more knowledge than the rest of us, I don't think this kind of info was on thread for a long time:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

How many town can be left town BCS/WCS?

IF you were still town Telas what would be your thoughts?

As a recruitee of course you'd say let's get rid of BM. Ultimately we have to kill both BM and CL's to win. How strong do we think CL's are at the moment? LP's and BP's against town?

Also as I didn't vote yesterday I have a choice from the cache again. I haven't decided what to take yet. I've asked PS when I can use Knife or Gun. If Gun isn't until tomorrow and Knife tonight then maybe i'll pick Gun anyway so that you can see i've shot someone and therefore cannot be the Bat. That'd rule me out. I have nothing to gain for trying to buy one more day. I could pick a Bat but no one would know if i've guarded someone. Body Armour seems selfish and Shield seem pointless when I have no other abilities.

Could mean he's a recent recruit and gained knowledge. Also from this we can confirm he's seen a cache before. I doubt Batman gets a cache on any given night, so it's a good play if you're Batman, but if not, then you were just late choosing your weapon, which gives him a little innocence in my eyes.


Now just paranoia:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Wait there. If Bane had the ability to take out me and Galain last night then that makes him very very strong. A recruit as well which fits with what Omtose said. Who is the more dangerous out of the two? Rashan must have been guarded last night, can anyone confirm this? Galain can also let us know if his protection had been used up!!

But he's right about this:

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

I forgot about Shelly. Although I am still uncertain as to whether BM killed them. If CL's have killing powers which they could have then why would a rival CL not take out Shelly? Shelly was being rather annoying and one of the broadcasts did point to her and me.

I cannot be BM. Not today anyway. I have a gun that I can used tomorrow. IF I was BM I wouldn't want to just buy one more day as this would see me taken out tomorrow if you don't see the gun used. The BM HAS to die twice more. If I was one death then that'd make it harder for the last BM to win the game.

Having a gun that can be used tomorrow is not good enough to prove you're not the Batman. Remember how Spite was coming up with all those scenarios about keeping him alive another night in order to prove his innocence? Well that's what you sound like when you try to pull stuff like this. If you're going to provide proof, it has to be today. You have been sounding very shifty since the thread re-opened, as others have said. Also, I noticed you lying, which makes me suspicious:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I would've voted if it was needed for the lynch but Galain was holding off and said he would vote and other people were able to vote also. Normally I vote everyday so yesterday was a first.

Atrahal didn't vote day one when we needed the lynch. Do you think he had prior knowledge of this mechanic beforehand?

And yet you shot Eloth on Day 3. In order to have done that, you must have had a cache. You believe Galain's logic about only getting the Cache if you're not on the lynch train, so in order to have got that cache you would have had to have not been on a train. There is a clear contradiction between that and the underlined.

Day one there was no lynch. I was on the highest train though

I know this is true and Korbas is wrong, because obviously I obtained a gun and used it at some point along the way.


Onward:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

I'm loathe to play into the hands of a CL at this point, given that I think the game is getting to the stage where our interests diverge. I mean, what kind of mechanic is "sending out Bane", anyway? She said before that Rashan was Bane, IIRC. So how does PI get Rashan to kill who she wants to kill? Unless there's some mechanic going on here that I'm not privy to, this seems unlikely and I'm inclined to distrust it. But then again, I didn't believe Eloth when he said that CLs had a lynch BP either...



On the other hand, I do like the idea behind going after a known recruit. Seems like exactly where a Batman would want to be. Assuming he could get away with it, it might allow him to use that extra knowledge to scalp a CL. Plus, it fits nicely into the tactical paradigm I was suggesting earlier in which we look for people who are either Cult players or the Batman. My initial reaction was that Telas was a more likely pick than Rashan (just because of the visibility standpoint), but I suspect that's just because we've been squabbling. Will try to get in a read through in tomorrow to make my decision a bit more informed.

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 11 June 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Just trying to get folks talking. Reviewing Telas and Rashans post times will take a while. What is best for town? BM or CL?

BM or Cult Recruits are good for town at this stage, I think. Not CLs though - got to keep them hidden to prevent the Batman from winning.

[Fener]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Spite, on 10 June 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

OK, look. I was on a big trip without much tech allowed, and so the most clear response to the case I could give was that one.

If you want to be assured of my innocence, I think someone has a knife. Whoever that is, use it on someone and state who on thread. I'll guard the knife user with my bat and the kill won't go through. Then you can all be sure that I'm not BM. If you really want to be sure, I'll target someone with my bat alongside Telas's to prove it.

I am innocent, and if you give me a chance to prove it, I will. Just give me a chance.

If you are suggesting that we don't lynch you to test this, then we will need to lynch someone else. But I see no suggestions on that front from you.

Spite, on 11 June 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

That order of resolution case was so convoluted and confusing I'll need to go back and reread it a few times before I can comment on it. I seriously hope you do go through with the plan, because if I'm correct, even though BM needs to kill the CLs, they have some serious defense. my guess is that BM took multiple nights to take out Ampelas, so even if it takes a night to test my claim, he won't get far towards the killing of a CL, so you can narrow the pool down by 1, making it almost impossible for BM to hide.

1. Above

2. I see your point, but if BM has 4 lives, I don't think he'd need an accomplice. His 3 other lives would be better than any accomplice

3. While you make a very valid point, firstly, if the "double recruit" is true, then the penguin already has 4 recruits, and even so, we are so fixated on BM right now (which is a good idea) that no one really cares about the recruits. Secondly, CL's are not all knowing. Thirdly, They wouldn't know I wasn't BM. But yes, I recognize that the third point was the least coherent and least thought out point I tried to make, because I didn't realize that the guard would have guarded BM, and therefore the Joker couldn't have been killed (i think).

It is also possible that maybe BM set this up. Framed me as him by guarding me and making me seem like BM while he stayed in the shadows. The only problem with this theory is that then my guard proof wouldn't be worth shit.

If we have lots of time because it's going to take the Batman a long time to kill the CLs (as per the underlined), then we can afford to spend a day lynching you. Much more effective way of being sure about someone than a convoluted sequence of NAs that could easily go horribly wrong. At the moment, that's my preference.

Vote Spite




EDIT: formatting

Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

D, on 11 June 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

His defence from what? The claim that he must be the Batman because I'm not dead and didn't lose my BP?! The order of resolution is the very CRUX of this case because his defense MAKES SENSE OTHERWISE, you idiot! His subsequent attempts at staying alive are weak and suspicion-inducing but if we're wrong about what *should* have happened in the night resolution everything else falls down around it!


What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.

And I'm eying you.

This is a pretty strong reaction, thus far.

Well, I was TRYING to imply that I'd be eying everyone no matter what, but Karosis especially.

And yeah, it's a strong reaction, because I'm a bit tired of people doing ludicrious things for poor reasons. We've just had, as several people pointed out and one player suicided over, a massive thread on why bad town play fucks games. And here we have Karosis, who would rather 'night might be resolved when he wakes up', than do the SENSIBLE thing and CONFIRM the case we're putting forward is logically sound rather than just blindly trusting the claims made by me and others and ignoring the fact that we have clear cases of conflicting information? You'll forgive me if I get a bit worked up over that. I was more than happy to vote Spite, Hammer or not, but as you yourself point out we were pressuring Spite for more information, for his opinions on people, AND waiting for Path-Shaper to get back to us, and Karosis just wanders on and calmly hammers? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

Should Spite come back town/recruit, people will undoubtedly claim that my "strong reaction" is trying to distance myself from the fallout and make myself look innocent - I'm not. I myself was going to vote Spite HOURS ago without a second thought, and I still think the case is pretty solid. I'm just pissed that some people couldn't WAIT A FEW MORE FUCKING HOURS TO BE SURE, and/or save ourselves from a bad lynch. So yeah, strong reaction here. I thought we were reasonably past this shit in this game up to now, but apparently I was wrong in being a bit opitimistic.

Good thoughts from Galain that implicate KArosis. I'm drunk. Forgive this poor case of mine.

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

His defence from what? The claim that he must be the Batman because I'm not dead and didn't lose my BP?! The order of resolution is the very CRUX of this case because his defense MAKES SENSE OTHERWISE, you idiot! His subsequent attempts at staying alive are weak and suspicion-inducing but if we're wrong about what *should* have happened in the night resolution everything else falls down around it!


What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.

There is no reason why any player would have gained from targetting Spite for a kill last night. Town + Cults are looking for Batman, so they wouldn't have wanted to disrupt the attack on you, and if they had they would have stepped forward. Batman is looking for CLs, so he wouldn't have bothered attacking a townie. Ergo his defence that someone attacked him last night causing him to lose a BP and subsequently caused an action failure is, IMO, a lie. Which means I think your stuff is irrelevant to the case at hand. I'm sure PS will be happy to enlighten you as to how he would interpret the scenario that is being discussed. If I'm wrong, then so be it.


And it's now 3AM and I have work tomorrow. So further discussion will have to wait until the morning.




EDIT: I had accidentally quoted Galain twice.

I just think this is a weird statement. Obviously Batman wouldn't deliberately attack someone he knew to be town. He would ALWAYS try to target a CL. The Galain argument just doesn't hold up, and not only because we have no proof of any of it, but it just seems illogical. But he sticks to it.

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Huzzah! Two down, two to go.

3 minutes exactly after the thread is unlocked and the Batman successor confirmed. Hmmm. Not much meta to go on, but it's something.

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I think this is a desperate attempt to get people to reveal the remaining CLs so he can now target them. No benefit to almost anyone otherwise, unless it was a major gamble for a double recruit, who probably would know very little about their new faction.

[Fener]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

Actually, I just disagree with what you've said. Just because you put smiley faces in your posts doesn't mean I should be overly polite to you, you know. There's an obvious reason why I'm bringing this up now - because the game is rapidly passing the point where town can win unless we do something drastic. As has been brought up several times over the course of the game, town don't really have a way to hold off the Cults if the game goes on too long. Ideally in my view, people who've picked up guns would be looking to target people they think have a good chance of being either a member of the Penguin or Poison Ivy cults (according to my notes we've killed off one member of each cult, so WCS they've been recruiting successfully every other time and are the same size) or the Batman. When you have two threats to not being able to win the game, it makes sense to try to prevent both equally.

EDIT: X-post with the PI message.

More attempts to find the CLs. Not a good plan at this stage.

Korbas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 11 June 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

So my first thought is that the previous batman(spite) would want to pick a known recruit as their successor. That gives them instant knowledge of one of the two remaining CLs. I'm going to look at Telas and Rashan. Rashan is particularly quiet. There may be something on sign in times.

This is a good thought.

I have a crazy theory that only actual Town members can be designated as Bat successors, which is why it takes so long to find one sometimes (last night 12 hours). CLs obviously can't become Batman, but I think that recruits can't become Batman either; otherwise, we could get into a scenario like this one we are in now, say someone's been recruited twice, two CLs left, and they become Batman. Each CL thinks the person is on their side when really all he needs is two nights. That doesn't seem fair to the factions imo. Crazy theory I know...but...maybe...

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

I'm loathe to play into the hands of a CL at this point, given that I think the game is getting to the stage where our interests diverge. I mean, what kind of mechanic is "sending out Bane", anyway? She said before that Rashan was Bane, IIRC. So how does PI get Rashan to kill who she wants to kill? Unless there's some mechanic going on here that I'm not privy to, this seems unlikely and I'm inclined to distrust it. But then again, I didn't believe Eloth when he said that CLs had a lynch BP either...



On the other hand, I do like the idea behind going after a known recruit. Seems like exactly where a Batman would want to be. Assuming he could get away with it, it might allow him to use that extra knowledge to scalp a CL. Plus, it fits nicely into the tactical paradigm I was suggesting earlier in which we look for people who are either Cult players or the Batman. My initial reaction was that Telas was a more likely pick than Rashan (just because of the visibility standpoint), but I suspect that's just because we've been squabbling. Will try to get in a read through in tomorrow to make my decision a bit more informed.

If I'm right, he just became Batman and is laying out some misinformation to keep the lynch pool wider. At the same time he says he "loathes to play into the hands of a CL". While this already contradicts what he's saying about lynching a recruit, it's also a statement Batman would make.

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Ok, list is, as far as I remember:

Korbas - claims Scarecrow
Ampelas - claims Prometheus
Karosis - targetted by Eloth and one other on night 1.
Galain
Anomandaris - claims Killer Cros
D'riss
Korvalain
Thyrllan
Liosan


Probably missing someone.

If Karosis is telling the the truth, which ever CLs targeted him know ALL the other CLs. From the OP:

Recruiter may recruit one person per night if two+ recruiters targe the same person, the recruit actions fail, and each recruiter is told who all of the others are.

So if Karosis was telling the truth, there was a lot more information off-thread than we realized. It also means that he might NOT be recruit target for at least awhile, assuming that no one would want to make that mistake twice. But it also means someone could have scooped him up later for that reason (WIFOMMMMMMMM) and that means he can't be Batman, according to my town-Batman theory.

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

How does he have this information? Do we know that recruitment comes before Bat Succession? Actually, seeing as the thread is locked when Batman is lynched, and night does not begin until his successor is chosen, this seems deliberately contrary to what is actually true but seems like he revealed that he has too much knowledge now.

Much earlier in the game he says:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Much as I hate the melodramatics, I happen to think Eloth is very much correct in her sentiments. We've got plurality, we should be hunting the bat for all it's worth. I've made my feelings on this clear in my last few posts, the benefits from lynching Eloth for town are slim in comparison to the benefits for Batman, especially since we've already done half his job for him!

EDIT: points->posts

So this matches up with what he said much earlier. He wants to lynch Batman, supposedly. But the problem is that I think if my town-to-Bat theory is true, this is a good play for Batman, and why it the game mechanics prevent utter chaos - the new Batmen can never have had confirmed knowledge of a CL, and so they are totally town-driven until they become Batman, at which point they alternate between subtly suggesting CLs reveal and saying HE wants to vote for BM.

[Fener]

So yeah,

Vote Karosis

for now. We still don't know what happens to recruits whose CL gets killed. I'm betting even more heavily they return to town status, giving Batman a wider succession pool to draw from while still keeping them in the potential-cult-recruit pool. Also gives town a fighting chance to win. In terms of mechanics, it makes sense.

So I think Karosis has been "saying" to lynch the Bat most of the game, but now he's also trying to get CL info, which means he must need it for some reason and is therefore Batman. It also means he doesn't know the other CLs, which lends possible credence to my town->Bat theory.

so. Ther's some drunk 4 am case to enjoy. Digest well my friends.

[Emurlahn]

The CL's will know who they've recruited so far. The recruits that have been recruited will know their CL. The recruits that have been re recruited will know two CL's. The CL's will want to protect their recruits somewhat. Broadcasts help us figure out who our CL's find suspect.

[Emurlahn]

I'll read through your case slowly Fener and see what you're getting at.

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 12 June 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

here's another message from everyone's favourite enterpreneur turned criminal, Cobblepot:

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So, it seems the tales of the Batman are true, but really, who names themselves after a mangy flying rodent? Can't say that I've ran across any vermin flitting around, but being a dabbler in dirty deals, I've seen quite a few guns and knives change hands. I've never noticed Rashan or Karosis packing, and while Telas used to be wearing armor and carrying a bat, he isn't anymore."

So suspects from one CL. Rashan, Karosis and Telas. If the other CL has doubts about any of these three then maybe we can go from there?