[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on 11 June 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Hi everyone, sorry for the incredibly small amount of posting I`ve done in the last few days. Just got home from visiting the family for the weekend, stayed an extra day, blah blah blah. Anyway, I am back, and I have to do a more thorough thread read, but as my CL has pointed out, I have been recruited. I was told that I was given a special ability because I was Poison Ivy's captain, but that only she could control it. Essentially, she turns on my venom and I try to kill two people.

Obviously, Poison Ivy is my CL, so I am going to go after one of the two she has suggested.

Vote Emurlahn

He has been the shiftier of the two, though it would be a good move by Batman to make someone who has been claiming to have a shield his descendant or whatever, so I am going to be keeping a close eye on Galain as well.

Do we think this is possible? Extremely lazy by Rashan here. I should be dead if what he says is true unless someone healed me which I don't know why they would. I was recruited by the Penguin so I can see why he may want me gone but who would Poison Ivy rather be lynched today? A recruit on an opposing team or BM?

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Rashan, on 11 June 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Obviously, Poison Ivy is my CL, so I am going to go after one of the two she has suggested.

Vote Emurlahn

He has been the shiftier of the two, though it would be a good move by Batman to make someone who has been claiming to have a shield his descendant or whatever, so I am going to be keeping a close eye on Galain as well.

Do we think this is possible? Extremely lazy by Rashan here. I should be dead if what he says is true unless someone healed me which I don't know why they would. I was recruited by the Penguin so I can see why he may want me gone but who would Poison Ivy rather be lynched today? A recruit on an opposing team or BM?

Given that everyone benefits from BM being smoked at least one more time before we focus on CLs, but really only BM benefits at this stage from CLs going down, I think it's a reasonable course of action. Just because a recruit follows their CL's preferred choice of action (as faras we can tell, at any rate), doesn't mean that course of action isn't also useful to town. There will still be coincidences of desire (oo-er) until the it's time to start positioning for the denoument.

While the case against Emurlahn is shaky at best, I still think D'riss is a viable target, especially as she shrugged off my attempted NK the other night. So I'm going to:

Vote D'riss

[Karosis]

I'll respond to Fener's case in piecemeal fashion as he has a lot of points to make (always good to see someone putting some effort into a case, even if it's one on me ):

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Actually, I just disagree with what you've said. Just because you put smiley faces in your posts doesn't mean I should be overly polite to you, you know. There's an obvious reason why I'm bringing this up now - because the game is rapidly passing the point where town can win unless we do something drastic. As has been brought up several times over the course of the game, town don't really have a way to hold off the Cults if the game goes on too long. Ideally in my view, people who've picked up guns would be looking to target people they think have a good chance of being either a member of the Penguin or Poison Ivy cults (according to my notes we've killed off one member of each cult, so WCS they've been recruiting successfully every other time and are the same size) or the Batman. When you have two threats to not being able to win the game, it makes sense to try to prevent both equally.

EDIT: X-post with the PI message.

More attempts to find the CLs. Not a good plan at this stage.

My point was to target recruits, not the CLs themselves. I explicitly state later on that I do not want to go after CLs and it was the intent of my statement here, although reading back I see it's not obvious that that is the case.

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

I have a crazy theory that only actual Town members can be designated as Bat successors, which is why it takes so long to find one sometimes (last night 12 hours). CLs obviously can't become Batman, but I think that recruits can't become Batman either; otherwise, we could get into a scenario like this one we are in now, say someone's been recruited twice, two CLs left, and they become Batman. Each CL thinks the person is on their side when really all he needs is two nights. That doesn't seem fair to the factions imo. Crazy theory I know...but...maybe...

OK, it's a reasonable theory. And actually, there is a way of gathering some evidence to test its validity - if the CLs tell us whether or not Spite was a recruit of theirs prior to becoming the batman, then that might make it seem more or less likely (we can't rule out that Spite wasn't a recruit of the Joker/Two-Face who didn't revert to town upon death, of course).

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

I'm loathe to play into the hands of a CL at this point, given that I think the game is getting to the stage where our interests diverge. I mean, what kind of mechanic is "sending out Bane", anyway? She said before that Rashan was Bane, IIRC. So how does PI get Rashan to kill who she wants to kill? Unless there's some mechanic going on here that I'm not privy to, this seems unlikely and I'm inclined to distrust it. But then again, I didn't believe Eloth when he said that CLs had a lynch BP either...



On the other hand, I do like the idea behind going after a known recruit. Seems like exactly where a Batman would want to be. Assuming he could get away with it, it might allow him to use that extra knowledge to scalp a CL. Plus, it fits nicely into the tactical paradigm I was suggesting earlier in which we look for people who are either Cult players or the Batman. My initial reaction was that Telas was a more likely pick than Rashan (just because of the visibility standpoint), but I suspect that's just because we've been squabbling. Will try to get in a read through in tomorrow to make my decision a bit more informed.

If I'm right, he just became Batman and is laying out some misinformation to keep the lynch pool wider. At the same time he says he "loathes to play into the hands of a CL". While this already contradicts what he's saying about lynching a recruit, it's also a statement Batman would make.

That's not what "loathe to play into the hands of a CL" means. I don't want to end up doing a CLs bidding. How is trying to lynch a recruit doing a CL's bidding? There is no contradiction here.

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

If Karosis is telling the the truth, which ever CLs targeted him know ALL the other CLs. From the OP:

Recruiter may recruit one person per night if two+ recruiters targe the same person, the recruit actions fail, and each recruiter is told who all of the others are.

So if Karosis was telling the truth, there was a lot more information off-thread than we realized. It also means that he might NOT be recruit target for at least awhile, assuming that no one would want to make that mistake twice. But it also means someone could have scooped him up later for that reason (WIFOMMMMMMMM) and that means he can't be Batman, according to my town-Batman theory.

I don't quite know what Fener is trying to say here. I'm probably a recruit and therefore not the Batman? Wouldn't that invalidate his case if true?

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

How does he have this information? Do we know that recruitment comes before Bat Succession? Actually, seeing as the thread is locked when Batman is lynched, and night does not begin until his successor is chosen, this seems deliberately contrary to what is actually true but seems like he revealed that he has too much knowledge now.

I get this information from basic logic. The Batman can't be recruited. Night started after the new Batman was chosen. So anyone who was recruited during the night cannot be Batman. Very straightforward.

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Much earlier in the game he says:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Much as I hate the melodramatics, I happen to think Eloth is very much correct in her sentiments. We've got plurality, we should be hunting the bat for all it's worth. I've made my feelings on this clear in my last few posts, the benefits from lynching Eloth for town are slim in comparison to the benefits for Batman, especially since we've already done half his job for him!

EDIT: points->posts

So this matches up with what he said much earlier. He wants to lynch Batman, supposedly. But the problem is that I think if my town-to-Bat theory is true, this is a good play for Batman, and why it the game mechanics prevent utter chaos - the new Batmen can never have had confirmed knowledge of a CL, and so they are totally town-driven until they become Batman, at which point they alternate between subtly suggesting CLs reveal and saying HE wants to vote for BM.

Key phrase in that quote: "We've got plurality". At the time we did, but now we might not, so our behaviour has to change accordingly. I am not at all advocating CL reveals, I think that would be a bad move. But chopping down the size of the cults is going to be necessary, and after crunching the numbers I determined that we're probably going to have to start now to stand a chance of being successful.

[Karosis]

Fener, on 12 June 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

So yeah,

Vote Karosis

for now. We still don't know what happens to recruits whose CL gets killed. I'm betting even more heavily they return to town status, giving Batman a wider succession pool to draw from while still keeping them in the potential-cult-recruit pool. Also gives town a fighting chance to win. In terms of mechanics, it makes sense.

So I think Karosis has been "saying" to lynch the Bat most of the game, but now he's also trying to get CL info, which means he must need it for some reason and is therefore Batman. It also means he doesn't know the other CLs, which lends possible credence to my town->Bat theory.

so. Ther's some drunk 4 am case to enjoy. Digest well my friends.

Don't you think if people were returned to the town pool they would let everyone know? It's pretty useful information for town to know....

[Karosis]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

I forgot about Shelly. Although I am still uncertain as to whether BM killed them. If CL's have killing powers which they could have then why would a rival CL not take out Shelly? Shelly was being rather annoying and one of the broadcasts did point to her and me.

I cannot be BM. Not today anyway. I have a gun that I can used tomorrow. IF I was BM I wouldn't want to just buy one more day as this would see me taken out tomorrow if you don't see the gun used. The BM HAS to die twice more. If I was one death then that'd make it harder for the last BM to win the game.

Having a gun that can be used tomorrow is not good enough to prove you're not the Batman. Remember how Spite was coming up with all those scenarios about keeping him alive another night in order to prove his innocence? Well that's what you sound like when you try to pull stuff like this. If you're going to provide proof, it has to be today. You have been sounding very shifty since the thread re-opened, as others have said. Also, I noticed you lying, which makes me suspicious:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I would've voted if it was needed for the lynch but Galain was holding off and said he would vote and other people were able to vote also. Normally I vote everyday so yesterday was a first.

Atrahal didn't vote day one when we needed the lynch. Do you think he had prior knowledge of this mechanic beforehand?

And yet you shot Eloth on Day 3. In order to have done that, you must have had a cache. You believe Galain's logic about only getting the Cache if you're not on the lynch train, so in order to have got that cache you would have had to have not been on a train. There is a clear contradiction between that and the underlined.

Day one there was no lynch. I was on the highest train though

Ah yes, good point. I'd forgotten about that - not necessarily a lie then.

[Emurlahn]

Just read through to see what WCS could be regarding twon and recruits.

I got a little diagram going. Now I haven't taken in the deaths of recruits yet. I was looking for when the Joker and Harvey bit the dust.

Harvey could only have a max 3 recruits.

Same with Joker.

Poison Ivy Could have had up to 5. Same with Penguin.

We don't know fully what has gone on behind the scenes. If the Joker's crew return to being normal thugs after the Joker bit the dust then that would mean 6 players turned back to town or were recruited by their counterparts.

We know that Ivy has had a follower die as I saw that earlier. I don't know if the Penguin has so I need your help there.

That would mean that PI has only 4 recruits unless she has double recruitment mechanic more than just night one. That leaves 5 out of the 12 players on her team. and 5 maybe 6 on Penguins. Although there could have been some cross recruitment going on.

That leaves a little pool of players that are either, town, Joker's, Harvey's or Batman.

If the CL's were to confirm or hint at the players that they find suspicious or not acting like a recruit then maybe we could nail the BM that way?

My head is exploding because there is so much information on thread.






I know that the Penguin finds Telas, Karosis and Rashan suspicious. If Poison Ivy finds one of them suspicious also then we could go for someone we think is the Bat with less ramifications against our faction.

Make Sense?

I can see Fener building a case on Karosis as per Penguin's list. That is what Rashan is doing with his vote for me also.

[Korbas]

Atrahal, on 12 June 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Rashan, on 11 June 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Obviously, Poison Ivy is my CL, so I am going to go after one of the two she has suggested.

Vote Emurlahn

He has been the shiftier of the two, though it would be a good move by Batman to make someone who has been claiming to have a shield his descendant or whatever, so I am going to be keeping a close eye on Galain as well.

Do we think this is possible? Extremely lazy by Rashan here. I should be dead if what he says is true unless someone healed me which I don't know why they would. I was recruited by the Penguin so I can see why he may want me gone but who would Poison Ivy rather be lynched today? A recruit on an opposing team or BM?

Given that everyone benefits from BM being smoked at least one more time before we focus on CLs, but really only BM benefits at this stage from CLs going down, I think it's a reasonable course of action. Just because a recruit follows their CL's preferred choice of action (as faras we can tell, at any rate), doesn't mean that course of action isn't also useful to town. There will still be coincidences of desire (oo-er) until the it's time to start positioning for the denoument.

While the case against Emurlahn is shaky at best, I still think D'riss is a viable target, especially as she shrugged off my attempted NK the other night. So I'm going to:

Vote D'riss

Really? If he survived your NK "the other night", what does that have to do with being batman NOW?


Also, Emur, I don't believe you until Penguin claims you. Otherwise you're getting lynched.

[Korbas]

Also, one of the problems I have with the Karosis case is that it used the classic "let's try to get the CLs revealed on thread" thing. We don't really need that anymore. If you don't have a good idea who the cls are, you haven't been paying attention.

[Emurlahn]

That's fair enough, how many broadcasts do they get a day?

[Korbas]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

That's fair enough, how many broadcasts do they get a day?

it seems like a lot and/or as many as they want.

[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 12 June 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

That's fair enough, how many broadcasts do they get a day?

it seems like a lot and/or as many as they want.

Once i'm cleared by him for today who do you think we should look at?

[Galain]

Fener, two things:



1.

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Could mean he's a recent recruit and gained knowledge. Also from this we can confirm he's seen a cache before. I doubt Batman gets a cache on any given night, so it's a good play if you're Batman, but if not, then you were just late choosing your weapon, which gives him a little innocence in my eyes.

That's with regards to Emurlahn talking about the cache, btw, for context. Uh, no. We cannot confirm he's seen anything before. There is a ridiculous amount of information on the thread right now about the caches, so unless he makes an uninformed guess of one of the few things that has not been revealed (and indeed has never seen a cache before for real) we can't really judge whether Emur has or has not actually been able to pick from a cache.

So really the only reasonable conclusion to draw here is not "he was late choosing a weapon" but rather "he's using the rather open knowledge of caches to paint himself as innocent/not the Batman". Colour me sceptical, fine. But you'd really grant someone a bit of innocence over the fact that he referred to a pretty publicly available (and quite possibly already seen in the past BEFORE he was the Batman) game mechanic? That's weird. XD

2.

Regarding the interpretation of what happens when two (or more) CLs target the same recruit: I do not believe the wording indicates that they get told who ALL the other CLs are. It rather appeared to me to mean "all the other CLs targetting the same recruit" - as in, an extension of the (or more) clause, you see? Now, that's not 100%, but it makes a LOT more sense to me than interpreting it to mean that any two CLs who target the same recruit get told who ALL of the other CLs are. Thus any CLs who targetted Korbas (was it?) night one as has been claimed know/knew each other but that does not necessarily mean that any of the dead CLs knew PI or Penguin or that those two know each other, you see?

Not really relevant to your case, but just thought I'd point that out.



Oh, I also thoroughly reject any theory that postulates the Batman cannot nominate into recruits. That's ludicrous - to the point where it could make it impossible for him to pass on if the entirety of town was recruited. The OP only explicitly rules out transfers into CLs, and therefore that is all we can assume. Thus the presumption that the only people we can rule out are people who are claimed by recruiters as of last night, and everyone else is back on the table. I appreciate that you're trying to narrow the suspect pool, I really do, but arbitrarily adding 'rules' to the way a game mechanic works - whether accurrate or not - is bad play; it's essentially playing to BCS, and HOPING we're right about it.

[Emurlahn]

Well then 2 things Galain. First is I was recruited last night and Penguin will/should confirm this by Broadcast. Second is, I've had use of a cache before. Hence my shooting of Eloth. Take off the blinkers.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Do we think this is possible? Extremely lazy by Rashan here. I should be dead if what he says is true unless someone healed me which I don't know why they would. I was recruited by the Penguin so I can see why he may want me gone but who would Poison Ivy rather be lynched today? A recruit on an opposing team or BM?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the only people who are off the plate are the CLs. If I had any indication that you were a CL I would change my vote, but as you have said that you're a Penguin recruit, it behooves me to reduce the opposing faction's numbers, thus making it easier for my faction to reach plurality.

That being said, you MAY have been a Penguin recruit previously, but I still smell flying rodent on you. Sure the case might be a little shaky, but I'm still going to follow my CLs' orders unless reasonably deduce that you are a CL. The Spite case wasn't much more solid, and the 1st BM case (I don't remember who it was, seems so long ago!) was even shakier. I think you're the Bat, so my vote stays.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

I was recruited last night Galain, my views before night resolution and after are going to be different. I want to catch the BM too. Your looking in the wrong direction with me.

OK, well, I'll accept that when/if the Penguin claims you.


See, the thing is, I would have thought he'd do that in his EARLIER announcement when you had 3 votes, there was no real counter-case, or discussion of many alternatives, and it would *clearly* have benefitted both him and the thread to announce you and thus clear that suspicion like PI did with Telas yesterday. Except Penguin didn't. So for the meantime we just can't really accept your claim.



FURTHER. While I accept that your views may have changed, you do not really seem to have understood the case against you. You are talking about play which WILL MAKE THE BATMAN WIN; either that or you clearly haven't read the OP. What this sudden interest in playing indicates, however is a newfound interest in the game, which rarely comes with simply being recruited, but rather with being promoted to some 'big fish' role - the only one of which in this game that is likely to happen (and coincides awfully with your change in attitude) is the freaking Batman. See, when you put together the fact that you're suddenly playing and throwing out ideas, AND that you clearly do not understand how the win conditions for town/Cult work (or do not want them to be met), it is VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Simply saying that you've been recruited does nothing to alleviate EITHER of those factors, and nor does your general disregard for the primary case against you - you're using fairly basic tactics in simply shrugging off, rather than replying to properly, the case levelled against you; it's basic, but effective, as people do not have actual point-to-point rebuttals to compare, and the lack of further discussion your simple response (lacking even a quote of the points against you, further shunting them out of mind) engenders (or fails to engender) makes people think that the original points were not worth much effort to reply to. So you get out of making awkward lies or looking like you're flailing.

Now, I'm not saying that the case necessarily merits a lengthy, point-by-point response, but I am saying that YOUR level of response (without further backup from Mr Penguin) plays out like a typical scum tactic, which doesn't exactly make me less suspicious of you (and I see you're already playing the "who else can we look at" card, too). Particularly given, again, your apparent lack of understanding of how town or cult SHOULD play...very odd.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on 12 June 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Do we think this is possible? Extremely lazy by Rashan here. I should be dead if what he says is true unless someone healed me which I don't know why they would. I was recruited by the Penguin so I can see why he may want me gone but who would Poison Ivy rather be lynched today? A recruit on an opposing team or BM?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the only people who are off the plate are the CLs. If I had any indication that you were a CL I would change my vote, but as you have said that you're a Penguin recruit, it behooves me to reduce the opposing faction's numbers, thus making it easier for my faction to reach plurality.

That being said, you MAY have been a Penguin recruit previously, but I still smell flying rodent on you. Sure the case might be a little shaky, but I'm still going to follow my CLs' orders unless reasonably deduce that you are a CL. The Spite case wasn't much more solid, and the 1st BM case (I don't remember who it was, seems so long ago!) was even shakier. I think you're the Bat, so my vote stays.

Anyone else reading this?

You are going against the majority of what people want here and going for a recruit. I was recruited last night so what you say is wrong. PI could recruit me tonight and i'd be on your team, unless it takes two nights to recruit a recruit which would make more sense.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Well then 2 things Galain. First is I was recruited last night and Penguin will/should confirm this by Broadcast. Second is, I've had use of a cache before. Hence my shooting of Eloth. Take off the blinkers.

Herp the derp, you having seen a cache before changes nothing - I made clear allowances for that in my dissection of Fener's point. That point being that claiming to have seen a cache/chosen from it does not change your liklihood to be the Batman. The fact that we KNOW you've seen one before just makes your claim to have taken from the cache again even more empty as it is so easy for you to make. It's a very, very easy lie, and one that is not easily provable UNLESS we give you the benefit of the doubt, for which there is no current good reason to do so.


And for the third(?) bloody time: Until Penguin does confirm this (again: he should have already by my reckoning) it is an EMPTY defense. It's a claim with no backup. I could claim I was recruited by Ampelas or Eloth and have all the damn credibility your claim does. So stop using it like it's a be-all defense!



As for "blinkers", I grow tired of seeing that term applied to people who actively push a case. Focus is bad if and only if it excludes other options and ignores facts. Otherwise it's called good pressuring and pursuit. I'll look elsewhere if I have the time (I don't; so I kind of expect other players to do that, yourself included) or IF you are cleared. And indeed, I am giving thought to other cases on thread, it's just that the only real one out there is Fener's case on Karosis which is marginal and very unconvincing; possibly due to intoxication of the author! XD

Other than that, we have what? Atrahal claiming that D'riss avoided death via NK? Yeah, again, if one was paying attention...and moreover it doesn't do anything to suggest he's the Batman TODAY, for obvious reasons.

[Rashan]

Atrahal, on 12 June 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Given that everyone benefits from BM being smoked at least one more time before we focus on CLs, but really only BM benefits at this stage from CLs going down, I think it's a reasonable course of action. Just because a recruit follows their CL's preferred choice of action (as faras we can tell, at any rate), doesn't mean that course of action isn't also useful to town. There will still be coincidences of desire (oo-er) until the it's time to start positioning for the denoument.

While the case against Emurlahn is shaky at best, I still think D'riss is a viable target, especially as she shrugged off my attempted NK the other night. So I'm going to:

Vote D'riss

I don't hate your case against D'riss. He hasn't really posted anything of substance since the weekend at least, but he's posted quite a bit. I think he may just be trying to keep his post-count up without making any big waves. I'll be keeping an eye on D'riss, but as per my previous message, for now my vote stays on Emurlahn.

[Emurlahn]

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The game will end when Batman is dead, or when he is victorious. If the game ends with Batman's death, the series is cancelled, and the faction that had plurality at the time of Batman's death is declared the winner.

This has always been the case from the beginning of the game regardless of faction so I don't see where you are coming from. When I was town the CL's posted the same threat as Batman if not more. Yes we'd need BM dead but if we didn't stop the recruiters then they'd get majority. Now i'm recruited i'm wary of the other faction but now see Batman as my factions biggest threat. The Penguin may have opted not to mention he recruited me to see who attacked me the hardest and if other of his recruits attacked me and followed PI's reasoning. That way he'd be able to tell somewhat if any of his recruits have turned. What do you say about PI's broadcast then about you being targetted?

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 12 June 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Anyone else reading this?

You are going against the majority of what people want here and going for a recruit. I was recruited last night so what you say is wrong. PI could recruit me tonight and i'd be on your team, unless it takes two nights to recruit a recruit which would make more sense.

Seeing as there were apparently recruits after Night 1, that is not likely. I think you're just trying to confuse the thread. And besides, just because others think the only viable alternative is BM, doesn't make it true. As part of a cult, my goal is to not only kill BM, my cult has to have the most members when he dies. It makes sense to try to thin the other cults out.

That being said, I reiterated right after saying that that I was still fairly certain you were the bat. You're only digging your hold deeper by trying to turn the argument on me so clumsily.