[Telas]

D, on 10 June 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Spite's CF would be gained anyways, but I see your point.

Is Spite at L-2?

Yeppers (that's "yes" in Awesome).

[D'riss]

Vote Spite

Let someone else do the hammering this time.

[Emurlahn]

What are the plans once the next BM is eliminated?

The way I see it two recruiters will have a few people to influence the thread.

What happens if the BM picks a recruit? Does the recruit become BM?

Do we go for another CL or do we still hunt Batman?

I feel like we have little chance at winning at this point

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on 10 June 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

What are the plans once the next BM is eliminated?

The way I see it two recruiters will have a few people to influence the thread.

What happens if the BM picks a recruit? Does the recruit become BM?

Do we go for another CL or do we still hunt Batman?

I feel like we have little chance at winning at this point

I'm assuming by 'we' you mean town? It all depends on how much the recruiters have been screwing each other over in the background. For the moment I think it's in the interests of everyone who's not Batman to go for Batman for a third time before thinking about the CLs again. This is because with two CLs out there, the recruiting continues to be both 1) spread out, thus ensuring groups are closer in size, and 2) Two CLs can continue to potentially screw each other over, either going for the same target or recruiting from each other's pools, whereas with only one CL on the scene they're free to do as they please.

[Telas]

In any case there is always the possibility that Batman himself will eliminate a CL.

[Liosan]

Batman might not have a kill ability.

Batman is known for not-killing his enemies, if anything he has a paralyze.

Or they retconned him and turned him into a killing machine for this gmae.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 10 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Also, Karosis, I've been reading over your posts - trying too hard, dude. It's quite funny to see how much you try and read the game and pick up on different things to everyone else. I mean, it's good that you're contributing different things to others...but try and get one right next time

Really?! There is no such thing as trying too hard at Mafia. Frankly, I'm rather pissed off at how little everyone else is looking at stuff off the beaten track. If everyone is thinking the same, town will usually lose. But then I guessaccording to Poison Ivy you're not town any more so you don't care.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 10 June 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Telas, on 10 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Also, Karosis, I've been reading over your posts - trying too hard, dude. It's quite funny to see how much you try and read the game and pick up on different things to everyone else. I mean, it's good that you're contributing different things to others...but try and get one right next time

Really?! There is no such thing as trying too hard at Mafia. Frankly, I'm rather pissed off at how little everyone else is looking at stuff off the beaten track. If everyone is thinking the same, town will usually lose. But then I guessaccording to Poison Ivy you're not town any more so you don't care.

Actually, I just said that to wind you up Sorry, I was bored. Keep up the good work!

[Anomandaris]

Liosan, on 10 June 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Batman might not have a kill ability.

Batman is known for not-killing his enemies, if anything he has a paralyze.

Or they retconned him and turned him into a killing machine for this gmae.

Batman is a predator role....predators kill.

[Spite]

OK, look. I was on a big trip without much tech allowed, and so the most clear response to the case I could give was that one.

If you want to be assured of my innocence, I think someone has a knife. Whoever that is, use it on someone and state who on thread. I'll guard the knife user with my bat and the kill won't go through. Then you can all be sure that I'm not BM. If you really want to be sure, I'll target someone with my bat alongside Telas's to prove it.

I am innocent, and if you give me a chance to prove it, I will. Just give me a chance.

[Anomandaris]

Spite, on 10 June 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

OK, look. I was on a big trip without much tech allowed, and so the most clear response to the case I could give was that one.

If you want to be assured of my innocence, I think someone has a knife. Whoever that is, use it on someone and state who on thread. I'll guard the knife user with my bat and the kill won't go through. Then you can all be sure that I'm not BM. If you really want to be sure, I'll target someone with my bat alongside Telas's to prove it.

I am innocent, and if you give me a chance to prove it, I will. Just give me a chance.

Why did you not use your bat like you said you were going to in the first place?

[Spite]

I was guarded, or Galain was healed (if there is a healing role in this game, and with so many killing roles I'd imagine so.), but I don't know because I didn't guard/heal anyone.

[Telas]

Spite, on 10 June 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

OK, look. I was on a big trip without much tech allowed, and so the most clear response to the case I could give was that one.

If you want to be assured of my innocence, I think someone has a knife. Whoever that is, use it on someone and state who on thread. I'll guard the knife user with my bat and the kill won't go through. Then you can all be sure that I'm not BM. If you really want to be sure, I'll target someone with my bat alongside Telas's to prove it.

I am innocent, and if you give me a chance to prove it, I will. Just give me a chance.

Or you now have a guard ability and a kill ability, both of which would do the same thing as bat and double-bat.

[Spite]

Wouldn't BM be overpowered with a guard and kill? I would expect him to have a kill and find (to find the CLs)

[Telas]

Telas, on 10 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Spite, on 10 June 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

OK, look. I was on a big trip without much tech allowed, and so the most clear response to the case I could give was that one.

If you want to be assured of my innocence, I think someone has a knife. Whoever that is, use it on someone and state who on thread. I'll guard the knife user with my bat and the kill won't go through. Then you can all be sure that I'm not BM. If you really want to be sure, I'll target someone with my bat alongside Telas's to prove it.

I am innocent, and if you give me a chance to prove it, I will. Just give me a chance.

Or you now have a guard ability and a kill ability, both of which would do the same thing as bat and double-bat.

Karosis, would you like to venture an alternative opinion on this?

[D'riss]

Sorry, I don't buy that defense. Why wouldn't that person just guard you again? Why would they guard you in the first place? Why has no one outed theirself as having done so? I would hope that the recruits and CLs would still realize Batman is priority #1 for them and town and speak up if it was the case.

[Spite]

If BM can guard recruiters it wouldn't really help him because he needs to eliminate the CLs, not stop them from recruiting. The recruiting aspect is unimportant to him I believe, as if he dies the 4th time, plurality doesn't really matter to him as he's dead and has already lost at that point.

[Spite]

D, on 10 June 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Sorry, I don't buy that defense. Why wouldn't that person just guard you again? Why would they guard you in the first place? Why has no one outed theirself as having done so? I would hope that the recruits and CLs would still realize Batman is priority #1 for them and town and speak up if it was the case.

1. Maybe they thought I was actually the new BM who was going to kill Galain and make it seem like a double bat, but now wants to find out if they were wrong and that I am just a simple bat owner.That could be a good way to narrow down the pool of suspects for BM.

2. They thought I was jumped into as the new BM who was going to kill Galain and make it seem like a double bat. Maybe they thought that because I posted enough to be a contributor but not so much that I was a spammer. In that case, the double bat retry wouldn't work as it could be easily faked.

3. They want to stay hidden for later in the game when/if killing cultists/finding recruitable townies to recruit will become more of a priority and they want to keep their identity secret. Even if finding BM is a priority, they can wait until they are under heat to reveal themselves. The mass reveals this game have really been both a good and bad thing, helping us find the first BM, but also making it easier for BM to find CLs.

Disclaimer: these are the logical explanations that come to mind.

[Galain]

Spite, on 10 June 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

D, on 10 June 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Sorry, I don't buy that defense. Why wouldn't that person just guard you again? Why would they guard you in the first place? Why has no one outed theirself as having done so? I would hope that the recruits and CLs would still realize Batman is priority #1 for them and town and speak up if it was the case.

1. Maybe they thought I was actually the new BM who was going to kill Galain and make it seem like a double bat, but now wants to find out if they were wrong and that I am just a simple bat owner.That could be a good way to narrow down the pool of suspects for BM.

2. They thought I was jumped into as the new BM who was going to kill Galain and make it seem like a double bat. Maybe they thought that because I posted enough to be a contributor but not so much that I was a spammer. In that case, the double bat retry wouldn't work as it could be easily faked.

3. They want to stay hidden for later in the game when/if killing cultists/finding recruitable townies to recruit will become more of a priority and they want to keep their identity secret. Even if finding BM is a priority, they can wait until they are under heat to reveal themselves. The mass reveals this game have really been both a good and bad thing, helping us find the first BM, but also making it easier for BM to find CLs.

Disclaimer: these are the logical explanations that come to mind.

Spite, I would like you to at least try and speculate on the absolutely-disproves-your-claim order of resolution case I made.


1. We don't need to narrow down who the BM is any more, beacuse you're most likely to be Batman by all accounts. So why would they (like the rest of us) be willing to waste another night to try and clear you?

2. If some certain speculations are correct - namely someone put forth that maybe Batman has an accomplice - then it would be a great way to VPI a Batman by having them *claim* to have a knife and then just not going through with it thus "proving" your ability to guard. Not that having a guard ability actually proves much, of course. But if we go through with this plan (which I find highly unlikely), it'll be my knife attack, and it'll be aimed at you as insurance, btw.

3. OH please. This would have to be the most stupid stance a townie is taking I concur that the mass-reveals will be a double-edged sword, especially with all the easily "borrowable" information on thread right now, but there is a reason Ment put a zero-limitations addendum to the reveal rules. The fact is, ANY townie or cult recruit who thinks that letting us lynch you when they KNOW you're not the Batman is a good idea....they're not right in the head. You do realize we have to kill the Batman THREE MORE TIMES before any faction can win, right? And you're saying someone would let us waste ANOTHER day starting over again rather than revealing on-thread that they've got the same abilities as everyone else and, hey guys, sorry, but you're looking in the wrong place?!

A FREAKING CL thought it was a good idea to out one of their own recruits on thread to help narrow the pool and point us in the right direction! This last point of yours really sounds like scrabbling around for straws to me, Spite.

[Spite]

That order of resolution case was so convoluted and confusing I'll need to go back and reread it a few times before I can comment on it. I seriously hope you do go through with the plan, because if I'm correct, even though BM needs to kill the CLs, they have some serious defense. my guess is that BM took multiple nights to take out Ampelas, so even if it takes a night to test my claim, he won't get far towards the killing of a CL, so you can narrow the pool down by 1, making it almost impossible for BM to hide.

1. Above

2. I see your point, but if BM has 4 lives, I don't think he'd need an accomplice. His 3 other lives would be better than any accomplice

3. While you make a very valid point, firstly, if the "double recruit" is true, then the penguin already has 4 recruits, and even so, we are so fixated on BM right now (which is a good idea) that no one really cares about the recruits. Secondly, CL's are not all knowing. Thirdly, They wouldn't know I wasn't BM. But yes, I recognize that the third point was the least coherent and least thought out point I tried to make, because I didn't realize that the guard would have guarded BM, and therefore the Joker couldn't have been killed (i think).

It is also possible that maybe BM set this up. Framed me as him by guarding me and making me seem like BM while he stayed in the shadows. The only problem with this theory is that then my guard proof wouldn't be worth shit.