[Galain]

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Vote Meanas



Because if he's not getting modkilled for that, he isn't town.


@Korbas - indeed, that's what I've been getting at for a while now. It's why I double-checked the plurality thing, in fact.

[Anthras]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

OK, that makes life easier, depending on the number of NKs.



If we only need plurality, then we can safely say that this game is, for town, first and foremost a bat-hunt. Reducing the cults is good, but the chances of finding a cultist deliberatel on the early days does not weigh against the small benefits we get from them. The cults can presumably only grow at a rate of one player a night. For town, this means even with NKs we've got several nights before the cults have any chance of gaining plurality - and that's assuming town takes all the hits. Thus, we must needs kill the Batman, and if we see a cultist we take him down, just not at the expense of a bat-life.


Now, if I were Batman, I'd be staying low. Because I can take hits, it doesn't matter so much whether I get hit on as much as WHEN. And in that sense later is better. Day one, however, is most probably going to end up playing out like Eloth suggested at the start, I fear. Aside from Korv's joke/misstep regarding criminality, my pet voting for Eloth in an attempt to change the outcome of day one, joke votes and small tiffs are all we have (and btw, I do consider the Eloth thing a small tiff, I'm just taking this opportunity to try and push my agenda ).

I did say that we should vote for batman earlier up the page. Now you are just repeating me using fancy like language. Well played sir.

[Rashan]

Have read through the thread, and I was going very up and down with Meanas. That being said...

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Because if he's not getting modkilled for that, he isn't town.

...I have to agree with this. I will try to keep an eye out on the thread for another hour or so, but I'm falling asleep to TV so I may not get another chance to

remove vote
vote Meanas

Edit to remove the vote

This post has been edited by Rashan: 05 June 2012 - 02:44 AM

[Thyrllan]

Meanas, on 05 June 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

I would point to the fact that lynching me does little for anyone. If I am a cult leader, I have to be the stupidest one in the game. Personally, it's fun baiting hot heads and dragging out dragonsecks, esp on day one. But if you want serious, here is some more (glasses pushed back up the nose, pipe adjusted, hearth still burning, check).

Cult has plurality in three days (WCS or BCS, pick your poison). So I ask, what the fuck can town do about it? Do we have a mayor who can convince the convicts to return to their normal thug status minus the Criminal Mastermind leader? once recurited, town is dead and the cultist arises.

My perspective, as a townie along for the ride, is embrace it. you will most likely be cult, or lose cruelly as one of the few townie specimens. thus, I'm not laying down an attack plan for any cult leader whatsoever until I actually have a team of sorts (not that an aptly placed recruitment wouldn't switch my allegences). This is a fluid game peeps!!! a game of chance and whim. BM is the only constant, and therefor must die. if you think you can find BM 4 times before cult has plurality, you are crazier than I seem to sound (that works right?)

argue that motherfuckers

Your inability to make a fucking effort as town is irritating, especially given the conversation about this very problem out of game. If this wasn't such a tight game in terms of time, I'd be happy to lynch you just for being a waste of fucking space. You're basically asking to be recruited. How about actually playing the game instead of whining constantly. If you don't want to be a townie, don't play mafia. Now I'm done with you, given my mostly small timeframe for playing I actually want to focus on the game instead of your pathetic ass.

[Anthras]

I doubt that meanas is anything other then a towny. Cult like scum don't want to make waves like that. I have no idea how much longer is left in the day. But I need to go to bed. Later

[Thyrllan]

Oh Christ. I'm honestly struggling to keep up here. I'll be back in a few hours when I'm not trying to do three things at once.

[Galain]

Anthras, on 05 June 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

I doubt that meanas is anything other then a towny. Cult like scum don't want to make waves like that. I have no idea how much longer is left in the day. But I need to go to bed. Later

Then he should be modkilled. As he hasn't been, I can only assume he is not town. OR Ment is being VERY LENIENT considering this issues was ALREADY BROUGHT UP ONCE SO MEANAS HAS NO EXCUSE. YOU LISTENING, MENT?!?!

[Path-Shaper]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Anthras, on 05 June 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

I doubt that meanas is anything other then a towny. Cult like scum don't want to make waves like that. I have no idea how much longer is left in the day. But I need to go to bed. Later

Then he should be modkilled. As he hasn't been, I can only assume he is not town. OR Ment is being VERY LENIENT considering this issues was ALREADY BROUGHT UP ONCE SO MEANAS HAS NO EXCUSE. YOU LISTENING, MENT?!?!

yes I am. I dislike modkilss, and generally try to avoid them bar role PM reveals.

I'll consult with Lizra once she gets on.

in the meantime, heave a vote count

It is Day 1. 17 hours and 4 minutes left

22 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Sheptatha Lore, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

2 votes for Omtose (Sheltatha Lore, Karosis)
1 vote for Fener ( Rashan)
1 vote for Eloth (Galain)
1 vote for Spite (Emurlahn)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
5 votes for Meanas (Spite, Korbas, Omtose, Galain, Rashan)

-ment

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 June 2012 - 02:57 AM

[Korbas]

I'm going to

remove vote

while I sleep. Plenty of time.



and, ahem, attention Mr. Batman.

I believe Korvalain and Atrahal are good bets for leaders, unless you have your own leads.

have fun.

[Galain]

Righteo then. Glad that's sorted.


Though the fact that you're discussing it means he's town. XD

[Rashan]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

Righteo then. Glad that's sorted.


Though the fact that you're discussing it means he's town. XD

It's true, plus there's more time left on the clock then I thought, so I'll

remove vote

and go to bed. Hopefully there will be something more interesting to read tomorrow!

[Emurlahn]

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

The thoughts on your post is that Osseric would be the best lynch. Due to him being BM or CL.

I have strong suspicions that Meanas is town.

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 05 June 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Should we make everyone say Osseric is Batman?

Osseric is Batman

I've almost caught up, but I didn't catch the part where what I said or did made me Batman, unless it was something to do with my very brief look at korv's criminal slip(or honest mistake) or Eloth. Back to reading.

I fail to believe you here. Everyone is talking about The Joker's broadcast and your implication in it and the post above yours also mentions it.

[Omtose]

Galain said:

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Righteo then. Glad that's sorted.


Though the fact that you're discussing it means he's town. XD

Yep.
I thought I might have had something with the way he was acting, and no one else said "mayor" not even PS.
REMOVE VOTE

[Emurlahn]

Meanas, on 05 June 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

I would point to the fact that lynching me does little for anyone. If I am a cult leader, I have to be the stupidest one in the game. Personally, it's fun baiting hot heads and dragging out dragonsecks, esp on day one. But if you want serious, here is some more (glasses pushed back up the nose, pipe adjusted, hearth still burning, check).

Cult has plurality in three days (WCS or BCS, pick your poison). So I ask, what the fuck can town do about it? Do we have a mayor who can convince the convicts to return to their normal thug status minus the Criminal Mastermind leader? once recurited, town is dead and the cultist arises.

My perspective, as a townie along for the ride, is embrace it. you will most likely be cult, or lose cruelly as one of the few townie specimens. thus, I'm not laying down an attack plan for any cult leader whatsoever until I actually have a team of sorts (not that an aptly placed recruitment wouldn't switch my allegences). This is a fluid game peeps!!! a game of chance and whim. BM is the only constant, and therefor must die. if you think you can find BM 4 times before cult has plurality, you are crazier than I seem to sound (that works right?)

argue that motherfuckers

Although I believe you to be town, I still think you should play to win as town rather than a hopeful recruit.

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 05 June 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

The reason I bit so fast is flavor. The Joker knew Batman was Bruce Wayne in the game.

Perhaps The Joker needs to "unmask" Batman. He was always seeking to do so in many story lines. I'm guessing the 4 Cult leaders would like to know Batman's identity as soon as possible, thus the basis for what we will see them attempt to do with these broadcasts. And at night they will recruit. I wish I had participated more before my name was mentioned like this, because maybe something I said or a direction I took might reveal something useful. As is, all my posts until I returned a bit ago were all made within the first two hours of the game starting, and we had no real substance what-so-ever. So this makes me think it's some random attempt at some sort of revealing process. We're cattle to them. All I can hope and suggest is that we do not make their game plan easier by ripping into each other like usual while leaving only a few good players left to handle the work load. Quit making a select few people do the job. This does not seem to me to be a game for subtlety, nor a game for layers and layers of mislead unless you are not part of the town. I'd be looking for players with aggression(with perhaps some exception given the nature of the informaton being acted on). The chances are highest that we lynch town, so I can't see how town would willingly remove a player from their faction when it seems to be so heavily needed without solid reason Just one less town is a large blow. So I suggest a higher level of Day 1 caution than normal by a factor 9000. We can agree to this before someone is thrown under the bus so it will not look like it is an attempt to symp that target. Proceed with caution, team. I'm chosing an early stance on this point, good or bad.

Why not vote for night why your at it?? You're suggesting a no lynch scenario which is WCS for town.

[Korvalain]

I still think removing a cult leader early on in the game would benefit town. It would give us a lot more time to hunt for Batman, for one. For the other, with four masterminds we are simply more likely to catch one, especially with the public broadcasts giving us even more information about them.

[Emurlahn]

Bed for me now as well me thinks.Plenty of time left. My top 2 so far for CL or BM are Spite and Osseric. I'll read up more tomorrow

[Korvalain]

Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 June 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Should we make everyone say Osseric is Batman?

Osseric is Batman

I've almost caught up, but I didn't catch the part where what I said or did made me Batman, unless it was something to do with my very brief look at korv's criminal slip(or honest mistake) or Eloth. Back to reading.

I fail to believe you here. Everyone is talking about The Joker's broadcast and your implication in it and the post above yours also mentions it.

I think the point Osseric is trying to make is that nothing he personally has said or done would implicate him as the Batman. there have been plenty of other people talking about it, but that is mostly based on what the broadcast said rather than what Osseric has said.

The thing we have to remember is that at this stage cult is still the enemy. Do we believe what they have to say and test it? Would it be different if it came from Batman? Both are the enemy of town at the moment.

[Galain]

Cult has everything to gain from lying to us, and nothing to gain from telling us the truth.



Remember, this early in the game, they CANNOT win. They need to achieve plurarlity at the time of Batman's death - ergo, they, one of them, individually, needs to have more recruits than any other faction, INCLUDING TOWN, at the moment of Batman's death. Not a majority, just a larger number. So an early win is in every way BAD for Cult. And every cult leader we take out helps Batman on his VC too, don't forget. That isn't to say we don't want to take out Cult leaders - they're high on the priority list - but taking them all out means a LOSS for us. So if we see one, we take them. But I don't see the point in Cult Hunting when it only helps us if we can kill the Batman BEFORE the other Cults recruit enough to have plurality. It's that simple.


Today, we ideally want to hit Batman first, a Cult leader second, and a far WCS, a townie. And in the middle, any unrevealed role Ment threw in to fuck with us.


Based on this distribution, however, our best chances are of hitting Cult leader. And it would slow down the town drain, so it's all-around a good scenario. It's just not quite the best, because Batman is a beast and every day we spend hunting him is more time for the Cults to recruit.



In a lot of ways, this reminds me of Culture, actually. It's that similar factional balance, just that the factions haven't been drawn up yet.