[Telas]

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

I'm staying at arms-length from that one, since I'm obviously biased about Telas. Decided I'd let others comment first... and then no one did.

I commented

[Eloth]

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

I'm staying at arms-length from that one, since I'm obviously biased about Telas. Decided I'd let others comment first... and then no one did.

I commented

Heh. I saw. Not much you could say other than that. Curious though that you bring up the Shelly CF now instead of earlier when Korbas was raging - or did I miss that?

[Telas]

What do you mean when Korbas was raging? And I brought up the Shelly CF about 5 different times.

[Telas]

If you mean in the specific context of one townie dead already, I said it once before yes. It's why I wasn't so anxious to get a lynch if it wasn't going to be for reasons I believed in.

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

Pff, wait for day time. I have noted your case and have thoughts about it, but I don't talk about that sort of thing at night.

Also, at this point, none of us has been recruited yet. Which means that we can talk as town, instead of having to wonder if we're talking for new masters.

Hmm, OK that's a fair point.


There are two main parts to your case - an analysis of writing style and an analysis of demeanour. I don't put much weight in the writing style analysis. There's not enough concrete similarities in how Telas speaks and how the Joker's message was worded to be sure. On the other hand, I do think there's some merit to what you pointed out about Telas' behaviour around lynch time. It is very incongruous in a period of time when people are tense and hoping for a lynch. He says there was nothing at stake for him because he wasn't the one being lynched. News flash - if you're of the town, then getting a lynch result is critical. You should definitely be invested in its outcome, because you are part of the group whose weapon it is, so to speak. The fact that he was messing around speaks volumes and is quite a mark against Telas, IMO.

On the other hand, Atrahal's behaviour around lynch time was also very suspicious to me, and I'm keen to follow that up tomorrow as well.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

What do you mean when Korbas was raging? And I brought up the Shelly CF about 5 different times.

Korbas was raging about time running out to just about everyone. Before that, you had your running battle with Ampelas. Didn't see much else of you, but then I was probably otherwise occupied, as I skipped a bit over your posts to get quicker to more aggressive people. Will have to go for a re-read.

[Telas]

Oh you mean Korbas' NO LYNCH I WILL EAT YOU FACE raging I didn't want to get involve in some one's bout of righteousness.

[Telas]

Plus I was busy poking Ampelas of course

[Eloth]

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

If you mean in the specific context of one townie dead already, I said it once before yes. It's why I wasn't so anxious to get a lynch if it wasn't going to be for reasons I believed in.

Yeah, I meant this context specifically.

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

Pff, wait for day time. I have noted your case and have thoughts about it, but I don't talk about that sort of thing at night.

Also, at this point, none of us has been recruited yet. Which means that we can talk as town, instead of having to wonder if we're talking for new masters.

Hmm, OK that's a fair point.


There are two main parts to your case - an analysis of writing style and an analysis of demeanour. I don't put much weight in the writing style analysis. There's not enough concrete similarities in how Telas speaks and how the Joker's message was worded to be sure. On the other hand, I do think there's some merit to what you pointed out about Telas' behaviour around lynch time. It is very incongruous in a period of time when people are tense and hoping for a lynch. He says there was nothing at stake for him because he wasn't the one being lynched. News flash - if you're of the town, then getting a lynch result is critical. You should definitely be invested in its outcome, because you are part of the group whose weapon it is, so to speak. The fact that he was messing around speaks volumes and is quite a mark against Telas, IMO.

On the other hand, Atrahal's behaviour around lynch time was also very suspicious to me, and I'm keen to follow that up tomorrow as well.

Hmm. I think he wanted to avoid the Alex Ferguson blow drier speech he would have had had he appeared on thread pre-lynch and refused to vote. See Telas' comments.

EDIT: correct grammar.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 05 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

[Ampelas]

Well, looks like someone never put a NA in... so low-poster hunt for Batman tomorrow?

Anyways, I'm off for a while

[Eloth]

I am off to bed.

[Path-Shaper]

I am now home. Give me 20 mins to eat and then I will attend to any PMs and night-related stuff (and try to end night, as well)
-ment

[Spite]

Well Fucketty doo dah day. Of course today is the day my phone dies and I can't find the charger while going for the second round of presentations to evaluators. Will read up now. Be back when I finish.

[Telas]

For Eloth:

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

The way I see it, we've already had a town death today. A wrong lynch would mean two town deaths before night's even begun. So if I'm not convinced by a case, i won't vote on it - and I'm not convinced by the one on Eloth.

[Meanas]

Whew, so much to read, and now the content is increasing exponentially...

So before I do anything else I want to make a statement:

Mods are in charge of the game, are watching it, and have end-all authority over what is done and said here. Also, unlike the rest of us, they actually know who everyone is and if their playstyle is a modkillable offense.

I'm actually fairly sick of this tattle-tailing behavior. If anything "breaks" the game, it's that. Two mods is enough thank you and they seem more than capable of seeing what's going on without the clammoring of all the whining babies in this game. If you don't like it, ask for someone to step in for your alt.

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Now that my adrenaline rush has somewhat subsided, here's my Telas = The Joker case.
It's based on language, mostly. If we examine the past hour or so, Telas has been fairly active. And of all online, he was the most relaxed and least snarky. As if nothing was at stake here for him and his faction, whereas every single other person was feeling tension. The case itself isn't very strong, merely based on the love for unnecessary and playful adjectives both Telas and the Joker express in their recent (or most recent) posts:

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Ampelas - because he clearly DOES have a name and ergo, a role. So he could well be a CL or Batman.

Arguing that my comment on the possibility of RI names in CFs means that I "clearly DO" have one, is like saying that since you commented on the possibility of independent roles existing means that "clearly YOU ARE" one... which if true means we should lynch you but in reality is just absurd reasoning.

And now I'm done arguing this silly line of logic. Time to get back on track for a real lynch.

You're absolutely right, let's not be silly. So let's take a look at what you said again shall we?

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I dunno about that. There are easily enough batman villains for all 21 non-BM-players to be one, even if RI.

Your first response was NOT to say that it could be that RIs get a name after their death, it was to say that everyone could have a designated name ALREADY. Only after I called you on this did you post the rather lame defense - "well, we could all get names after our deaths". This to me suggests you have a name, and so assumed everyone did.

However, it also suggests to me that you have a name that is NOT in the OP, which thus would mean you are not the Bat or a CL. Or, on the other hand, you are, but did a really really silly thing, rather than just a silly thing

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Ampelas - because he clearly DOES have a name and ergo, a role. So he could well be a CL or Batman.

Arguing that my comment on the possibility of RI names in CFs means that I "clearly DO" have one, is like saying that since you commented on the possibility of independent roles existing means that "clearly YOU ARE" one... which if true means we should lynch you but in reality is just absurd reasoning.

And now I'm done arguing this silly line of logic. Time to get back on track for a real lynch.

You're absolutely right, let's not be silly. So let's take a look at what you said again shall we?

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I dunno about that. There are easily enough batman villains for all 21 non-BM-players to be one, even if RI.

Your first response was NOT to say that it could be that RIs get a name after their death, it was to say that everyone could have a designated name ALREADY. Only after I called you on this did you post the rather lame defense - "well, we could all get names after our deaths". This to me suggests you have a name, and so assumed everyone did.

However, it also suggests to me that you have a name that is NOT in the OP, which thus would mean you are not the Bat or a CL. Or, on the other hand, you are, but did a really really silly thing, rather than just a silly thing

FINE KEEP PUSHING JUST FUCKING TELL EVERYONE THAT I'M ROLED TOWN YOU DIPSHIT COULD YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MY HINTS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP???!!!

You're the one who slipped up, and now you're blaming me? Pffft Should have been more careful. Anyways, I even removed my vote from you and voted elsewhere, so once again you're digging your own hole without my help. There was no need for you to post this.

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Sematnics. Whether a serial killer is an "independent" or a "faction leader of his own 1-man faction" doesn't really change anything. But that you actually believe such things exist with no indication of it from the OP... that's just sad... how do you think town will ever win if we use fearmongering, assume-anything-is-possible-despite-the-OP logic like that?

Semantics? Are you joking? An independent is much more likely to be in here than another faction leader (which I agree is extremely unlikely). We've already found out from Shelly's death and your silliness that there are roled innos, which the OP did NOT make us aware of.

Now also see this please:

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

There have been 4 confirmed major villains in Arkham City: The Joker, Two-Face, the Penguin and Poison Ivy.

I've underlined, bolded, and italicised the key word for you there

emphasis mine. We're in the last few minutes of the day, and Telas is just fooling around - nothing at stake at all.

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Just because

Very, very relaxed, in the final minute. He doesn't give a toss.

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Since apparently PINNING THE THREAD TO THE FUCKING MAFIA FORUM isn't enough for Telas, here's a goddamn link:http://forum.malazan...showtopic=20858

You're an idiot, and don't comprehend anything in your blind anger at yourself for being so silly

More goading and teasing.

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

We got an after lynch broadcast message from the Joker:

Quote

Wahahahahahahahahaha~ More recruits for me!

Two-face, I like your idea! You can have Emur and SL's swampy, immortal corpse. I will take Korbas, Karosis and that feisty Eloth who so lovingly evaded the lynch.






And Osseric is batman, you idiots!

-Liz

Telas' posts are characterised by plenty of smilies, a distinct lack of feeling pressure, and plenty of adjectives when talking to someone, which is invariably in a teasing manner, even against an ever more angry Ampelas. Then a last minute pen ultimate vote, just because he can, not because it is good for town or the game. Then a gloating message with adjectives that, especially swampy, feisty and lovingly, can be lined up with really silly.
Out of the people who posted during the past hour, there is the most consistency between his posts and that one message of The Joker. Neither Anthras nor Atrahal have adopted such a style throughout day 1.

Just got home and reviewed the latest posts. This is interesting and I kind of like where you are going with reviewing the styles. What about Atrahal though? The whole Atrahal vs Korbas spat was very whimsical and so was the repping. I'm going to take a look at the posts from the CLs and do another long reread. This is going to take a while.

[Meanas]

Back to our regularly scheduled program...

I still think our bowel movement is hiding in middle ground. I would even be so bold as to look at people who seem to be vocal and who seem to not have any votes because they are "reasonable." I do have a theory about our smelly BM.

BM, needs to hide yet needs to kill off the 4 CLs. Now, we can assume BM has a crapload of killing abilities, right, and that lynches above all help him. Think about it, if BM gets a lynch each night, that's another CL suspect down.

Before making this theory, BM will not have any incentive to change his playstyle, so I expect he was in on both lynch trains (the one on me and the one on Eloth), largely because he would benefit greatly from encouraging a person however randomly chosen to die, regardless of who they are. Everyone is his enemy after all.

So here are my 11 suspects

11 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose, Korbas, Ampelas, Fener, Telas)

Of those, I think the one's who play middling the best are Karo, Liosan, and Omtose. The others all have something about them that has drawn attention in one way or another. I will be looking at them today.

[Telas]

Meanas, on 05 June 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Whew, so much to read, and now the content is increasing exponentially...

So before I do anything else I want to make a statement:

Mods are in charge of the game, are watching it, and have end-all authority over what is done and said here. Also, unlike the rest of us, they actually know who everyone is and if their playstyle is a modkillable offense.

I'm actually fairly sick of this tattle-tailing behavior. If anything "breaks" the game, it's that. Two mods is enough thank you and they seem more than capable of seeing what's going on without the clammoring of all the whining babies in this game. If you don't like it, ask for someone to step in for your alt.

Even though I didn't like what you were saying at the beginning of the game, I agree with this. Or at the least put your complaints, if you feel you have a genuine grievance, in a PM to Path-Shaper - no need to put it on thread.

[Spite]

Meanas, on 05 June 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Whew, so much to read, and now the content is increasing exponentially...

So before I do anything else I want to make a statement:

Mods are in charge of the game, are watching it, and have end-all authority over what is done and said here. Also, unlike the rest of us, they actually know who everyone is and if their playstyle is a modkillable offense.

I'm actually fairly sick of this tattle-tailing behavior. If anything "breaks" the game, it's that. Two mods is enough thank you and they seem more than capable of seeing what's going on without the clammoring of all the whining babies in this game. If you don't like it, ask for someone to step in for your alt.

Even though I still think that with the no lynch (as long as if there is an NK it hits a townie) you are the most suspicious and least likely to be townie, I agree with this. Honestly, if you really want to make Malazan Mafia a more, i guess, professional game without screwups like this day one no lynch or the many bogus lynches that have come before, try to play your best game and expect everyone else to do the same, but don't go around whining every time someone breaks a rule,even if it is modkillable if broken. The mods read the thread. They will notice as well.