[Korbas]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

OK, seriously, no lynch? Did we not just have a big long discussion about how there are various things we need to improve upon as a community, and was this not something that came up? The only way town can get solid information is by lynching. The only way town can win is lynching. It is our primary weapon in pretty much every game. If there is a CF, you NEED to lynch. Certainty is a precious, precious resource in this game and by not lynching we just let some slip through our fingers. And it's especially bad because we are on a tight timescale here. Up to 4 town get converted every night! We do not have much time before the cults get too big, so we MUST make that time count to at least get somewhere. As town, you make progress by gaining certainty through the elimination of suspects. There is no other way. No-one is going to shine a spotlight on Batman and serve him up gift wrapped with an unassailable case, you have to lynch a few people and see what happens! You miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so said Michael Jordan. Well that's especially true here.

I'm very disappointed, I thought this was going to be the game where people stepped up and actually played like they knew what they were doing.

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

And that's fine. No one should hold anything against you. The problem is, we have no way of KNOWING that you're innocent.

So we are robbed of a lynch train positioning information upon seeing your CF. We are robbed of your CF. We are potentially robbed of getting rid of a bad guy.

[Ampelas]

Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

THATS NOT THE POINT.

WE.LYNCH.EVERY.DAY.

It sucks that you didn't agree with the case, but a no-lynch is FAR more harmful to town than a lynch of someone with a case you don't particularly agree on. If you can't get that through your head, I will find a vig, and I will murder you with it. EVERY FUCKING GAME YOU PLAY. I WILL FIND YOU, AND VIG YOUR FACE.

You two make such a beautiful couple.

Atrahal, what the fuck, did you seriously rep this post? I think this is a modkillable offense, unfortunately.

Egh, not this shit again. Haven't we been through this enough times already? DON'T FUCKING REP IN-GAME

[Eloth]

Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

THATS NOT THE POINT.

WE.LYNCH.EVERY.DAY.

It sucks that you didn't agree with the case, but a no-lynch is FAR more harmful to town than a lynch of someone with a case you don't particularly agree on. If you can't get that through your head, I will find a vig, and I will murder you with it. EVERY FUCKING GAME YOU PLAY. I WILL FIND YOU, AND VIG YOUR FACE.

You two make such a beautiful couple.

Atrahal, what the fuck, did you seriously rep this post? I think this is a modkillable offense, unfortunately.

It's not in section B of the current wall of rule text. I guess if no message text is left with the rep (which would constitute unlawful private communication between players), there's no real harm done.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

THATS NOT THE POINT.

WE.LYNCH.EVERY.DAY.

It sucks that you didn't agree with the case, but a no-lynch is FAR more harmful to town than a lynch of someone with a case you don't particularly agree on. If you can't get that through your head, I will find a vig, and I will murder you with it. EVERY FUCKING GAME YOU PLAY. I WILL FIND YOU, AND VIG YOUR FACE.

You two make such a beautiful couple.

Atrahal, what the fuck, did you seriously rep this post? I think this is a modkillable offense, unfortunately.

It's not in section B of the current wall of rule text. I guess if no message text is left with the rep (which would constitute unlawful private communication between players), there's no real harm done.

But it can be argued that it could be signalling. And yes, you can go to the profile and see who did it, but since repping tends to happen AFTEr a lot of people have read the post, it is not unlike editing your posts later on. So it just shouldn't be done.

[Omtose]

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

THATS NOT THE POINT.

WE.LYNCH.EVERY.DAY.

It sucks that you didn't agree with the case, but a no-lynch is FAR more harmful to town than a lynch of someone with a case you don't particularly agree on. If you can't get that through your head, I will find a vig, and I will murder you with it. EVERY FUCKING GAME YOU PLAY. I WILL FIND YOU, AND VIG YOUR FACE.

You two make such a beautiful couple.

Atrahal, what the fuck, did you seriously rep this post? I think this is a modkillable offense, unfortunately.

Egh, not this shit again. Haven't we been through this enough times already? DON'T FUCKING REP IN-GAME

[Omtose]

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

THATS NOT THE POINT.

WE.LYNCH.EVERY.DAY.

It sucks that you didn't agree with the case, but a no-lynch is FAR more harmful to town than a lynch of someone with a case you don't particularly agree on. If you can't get that through your head, I will find a vig, and I will murder you with it. EVERY FUCKING GAME YOU PLAY. I WILL FIND YOU, AND VIG YOUR FACE.

You two make such a beautiful couple.

Atrahal, what the fuck, did you seriously rep this post? I think this is a modkillable offense, unfortunately.

It's not in section B of the current wall of rule text. I guess if no message text is left with the rep (which would constitute unlawful private communication between players), there's no real harm done.

But it can be argued that it could be signalling. And yes, you can go to the profile and see who did it, but since repping tends to happen AFTEr a lot of people have read the post, it is not unlike editing your posts later on. So it just shouldn't be done.

I agree. My first thought when I saw the "LOL" was "Joker?"

[Ampelas]

So just so everyone knows, the "beautiful couple" post by Omtose was repped by Atrahal, and Atrahal's rep comment was "LOL"

[Omtose]

Please follow the rules here people. I really don't want to lose a townie or have the game broken for this kind of shit.

[Karosis]

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

With that kind of attitude, you couldn't show up 20 minutes earlier?

I got back after the lynch, unfortunately, but my vote was already on Eloth so I wouldn't have been able to help (apart from sounding off like that).

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

Yes, this has been a good day for discussion. And given that, a CF would have been especially helpful, since it would have cleared up a lot of people's behaviour. Speed lynching is a problem because it means people aren't indicating their preferences early enough, not because we end up lynching the wrong people. People who vote late do not get a carte blanche - they voted late, which means they aren't playing properly and should get pressure for it later (that they usually don't is another issue again). You are perfectly within your rights to contest a lynch if you're inno, because you have certainty on your side as to your alignment. But everyone else does not, and should be looking to get some shots in. Arguing that you'll get a repeat of Day 1 on Day 2 is absurd - you're far more likely for that to happen on a no-lynch, if only because people will say things like "Ooh, it was difficult to lynch them, there must be something going on". This way we draw a line through a player and move on, and end up being much more likely to make progress.


To be clear, I didn't really feel my initial case was especially strong, but I would take knowing your alignment to having you alive any day of the week at this stage in the game. I'm glad we got plenty of discussion out of it, anyway. If you must stick around, then make sure you make yourself useful.

[Eloth]

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

OK, seriously, no lynch? Did we not just have a big long discussion about how there are various things we need to improve upon as a community, and was this not something that came up? The only way town can get solid information is by lynching. The only way town can win is lynching. It is our primary weapon in pretty much every game. If there is a CF, you NEED to lynch. Certainty is a precious, precious resource in this game and by not lynching we just let some slip through our fingers. And it's especially bad because we are on a tight timescale here. Up to 4 town get converted every night! We do not have much time before the cults get too big, so we MUST make that time count to at least get somewhere. As town, you make progress by gaining certainty through the elimination of suspects. There is no other way. No-one is going to shine a spotlight on Batman and serve him up gift wrapped with an unassailable case, you have to lynch a few people and see what happens! You miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so said Michael Jordan. Well that's especially true here.

I'm very disappointed, I thought this was going to be the game where people stepped up and actually played like they knew what they were doing.

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

And that's fine. No one should hold anything against you. The problem is, we have no way of KNOWING that you're innocent.

So we are robbed of a lynch train positioning information upon seeing your CF. We are robbed of your CF. We are potentially robbed of getting rid of a bad guy.

Yup. I dispute none of that.

However, at the same time, is it every towny's obligation to judge cases on their merits. If a case isn't judged good enough to vote for 6 hours before deadline, should it then, without changes, be good enough 30 seconds before time out?
This is more ethics than anything else. If the answer is 'yes', then it is legitimisation of putting forward and pressing through on bad cases that should be falsified and called down, as well as putting pressure on players who judge a case on merits. If you say 'no', then town has a massive quality jump to make in pressuring and case making as well as case falsification. But I really do think this is not the thread to talk about this.

[Atrahal]

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Well, that may be your opinion. I happen to disagree. Is information worth losing a faction member? Not even slightly, IMO. At this early stage, the info we get from lynching a fellow townie is of negligible use compared to the value of retaining numbers, especially in a game where we've all agreed retention is going to be crucial in achieving victory. The calculus of whether to go in with a mass move to lynch will change as we lose numbers to the cults, but for now, I am entirely happy with not having been the single vote that lost us a townie.

This is not opinion. This is fact.

The information of lynch train positioning, posts during the discussion, and CF, is ALWAYS worth losing a member of town. And there's no guarantee he would CF town. The only time it's beneficial to not lynch is endgame in certain positions where it gives town an extra day to find the last killer (because if they lynched wrong it would be gameover, but a no lynch gives an extra day).

This isn't something I -think- this is one of the unwritten rules of mafia.

If we can get the same information without losing a member of town--- which we have done --- then your argument fails. The balance of probability is that he is town. Insisting on voting for a lynch just to be seen to be following the train is, IMO, a cowardly way of trumpeting one's own innocence via the 'safety in numbers' rule of thumb. And I WON'T BE PART OF IT.


Re: repping. Apologies all round, I remembered just after doing it. Won't happen again.

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

With that kind of attitude, you couldn't show up 20 minutes earlier?

I got back after the lynch, unfortunately, but my vote was already on Eloth so I wouldn't have been able to help (apart from sounding off like that).

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

Yes, this has been a good day for discussion. And given that, a CF would have been especially helpful, since it would have cleared up a lot of people's behaviour. Speed lynching is a problem because it means people aren't indicating their preferences early enough, not because we end up lynching the wrong people. People who vote late do not get a carte blanche - they voted late, which means they aren't playing properly and should get pressure for it later (that they usually don't is another issue again). You are perfectly within your rights to contest a lynch if you're inno, because you have certainty on your side as to your alignment. But everyone else does not, and should be looking to get some shots in. Arguing that you'll get a repeat of Day 1 on Day 2 is absurd - you're far more likely for that to happen on a no-lynch, if only because people will say things like "Ooh, it was difficult to lynch them, there must be something going on". This way we draw a line through a player and move on, and end up being much more likely to make progress.


To be clear, I didn't really feel my initial case was especially strong, but I would take knowing your alignment to having you alive any day of the week at this stage in the game. I'm glad we got plenty of discussion out of it, anyway. If you must stick around, then make sure you make yourself useful.

Patronizing much?
Anyhow - with the repeat situation I mean having another clueless day without a great many leads of the previous day, because that day constituted of 1 case, 1 train. Upon examination of past games, you stumble upon a dearth of ideas, which in turn lead to very predictable and unavoidable lynches, every time based on hunches, gut and if you're lucky, a quote or two. It used to be better than that.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

With that kind of attitude, you couldn't show up 20 minutes earlier?

I got back after the lynch, unfortunately, but my vote was already on Eloth so I wouldn't have been able to help (apart from sounding off like that).

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

Yes, this has been a good day for discussion. And given that, a CF would have been especially helpful, since it would have cleared up a lot of people's behaviour. Speed lynching is a problem because it means people aren't indicating their preferences early enough, not because we end up lynching the wrong people. People who vote late do not get a carte blanche - they voted late, which means they aren't playing properly and should get pressure for it later (that they usually don't is another issue again). You are perfectly within your rights to contest a lynch if you're inno, because you have certainty on your side as to your alignment. But everyone else does not, and should be looking to get some shots in. Arguing that you'll get a repeat of Day 1 on Day 2 is absurd - you're far more likely for that to happen on a no-lynch, if only because people will say things like "Ooh, it was difficult to lynch them, there must be something going on". This way we draw a line through a player and move on, and end up being much more likely to make progress.


To be clear, I didn't really feel my initial case was especially strong, but I would take knowing your alignment to having you alive any day of the week at this stage in the game. I'm glad we got plenty of discussion out of it, anyway. If you must stick around, then make sure you make yourself useful.

Patronizing much?
Anyhow - with the repeat situation I mean having another clueless day without a great many leads of the previous day, because that day constituted of 1 case, 1 train. Upon examination of past games, you stumble upon a dearth of ideas, which in turn lead to very predictable and unavoidable lynches, every time based on hunches, gut and if you're lucky, a quote or two. It used to be better than that.

That's definitely not the case here. We've had a plethora of cases today, some big some small. It just doesn't seem like it because we don't need the formalities of years ago when we'd say "Here is my case on ____: "

[Eloth]

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

I'm staying at arms-length from that one, since I'm obviously biased about Telas. Decided I'd let others comment first... and then no one did.

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Patronizing much?
Anyhow - with the repeat situation I mean having another clueless day without a great many leads of the previous day, because that day constituted of 1 case, 1 train. Upon examination of past games, you stumble upon a dearth of ideas, which in turn lead to very predictable and unavoidable lynches, every time based on hunches, gut and if you're lucky, a quote or two. It used to be better than that.

Patronizing? I guess if you want to read it that way *shrug*.


And as to your point, well this wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a one case kind of day. All sorts of promising leads for tomorrow based on behaviour from today to start with, and having to re-evaluate everyone to determine if they've been recruited for another. If town has been playing really badly, then sometimes I'll grant that a bad lynch will not make things better. But to be honest you're screwed in that situation anyway. This would not have been one of those times, which is why it's so frustrating.

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

Pff, wait for day time. I have noted your case and have thoughts about it, but I don't talk about that sort of thing at night.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

With that kind of attitude, you couldn't show up 20 minutes earlier?

I got back after the lynch, unfortunately, but my vote was already on Eloth so I wouldn't have been able to help (apart from sounding off like that).

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Except that if lynching is set in stone, you allow the entire second half of the train a freeby because they can call on the necessity of a lynch to just pile on a vote without any motivation, as well as spelling doom over whoever the unlucky lynchee is, no matter how bad the accusation against them. On day 1, this is carte blanche for a bogus lynch and an uninformative train, and thus, a repeat of day 1 on day 2. This has been a good day 1 for perhaps any other game: lots of tension, argument, arguing and people taking stances. And while BCS would see me both dead and being CL or BM, since I'm none of those 3, we're a townie ahead. Which makes today's result better than WCS. In my book, at the very least - which means I did my job as townie under fire well: preventing the lynch of an inno.

Yes, this has been a good day for discussion. And given that, a CF would have been especially helpful, since it would have cleared up a lot of people's behaviour. Speed lynching is a problem because it means people aren't indicating their preferences early enough, not because we end up lynching the wrong people. People who vote late do not get a carte blanche - they voted late, which means they aren't playing properly and should get pressure for it later (that they usually don't is another issue again). You are perfectly within your rights to contest a lynch if you're inno, because you have certainty on your side as to your alignment. But everyone else does not, and should be looking to get some shots in. Arguing that you'll get a repeat of Day 1 on Day 2 is absurd - you're far more likely for that to happen on a no-lynch, if only because people will say things like "Ooh, it was difficult to lynch them, there must be something going on". This way we draw a line through a player and move on, and end up being much more likely to make progress.


To be clear, I didn't really feel my initial case was especially strong, but I would take knowing your alignment to having you alive any day of the week at this stage in the game. I'm glad we got plenty of discussion out of it, anyway. If you must stick around, then make sure you make yourself useful.

Patronizing much?
Anyhow - with the repeat situation I mean having another clueless day without a great many leads of the previous day, because that day constituted of 1 case, 1 train. Upon examination of past games, you stumble upon a dearth of ideas, which in turn lead to very predictable and unavoidable lynches, every time based on hunches, gut and if you're lucky, a quote or two. It used to be better than that.

That's definitely not the case here. We've had a plethora of cases today, some big some small. It just doesn't seem like it because we don't need the formalities of years ago when we'd say "Here is my case on ____: "

Bullshit. There's a lot less evidence being gathered, a lot less being quoted, and a whole lot less being read back by players, who instead just ask for it to be requoted. Unless you say we now summarize pages of behavior in two lines accurately, the quality of case making has fallen. Yes, maybe we overdid things in the past (I remember cases of several posts, each containing 8 quotes or so and an analysis of each), but there;s no denying that we're much, much less accurate and precise nowadays.

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

Pff, wait for day time. I have noted your case and have thoughts about it, but I don't talk about that sort of thing at night.

We'll see. I bet it is going to need re-quoting into a new post then, for people will have forgotten it.

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Funny though... I put up a specified case that is not based on single letter slips or gut (admittedly, one of fairly poor quality and certainly of poor quantification of posts: it is essentially a similarity in posting style quote block that's usually only found in after-the-jump FM cases) and everyone's only commenting on rep, theorycraft and not getting the lynch.
Sure, it is night. Sure, you can't vote at this point, but honestly, guys

Pff, wait for day time. I have noted your case and have thoughts about it, but I don't talk about that sort of thing at night.

Also, at this point, none of us has been recruited yet. Which means that we can talk as town, instead of having to wonder if we're talking for new masters.