[Rashan]

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

That's not what I am talking about.

Do tell - what ARE you talking about? If you end up being innocent, then so be it. As Omtose pointed out, it's a cult game, so we have to re-examine everyone every day, because allegiances change with the flip of a hat.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 28 minutes left

21 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

7 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
3 votes for Meanas (Spite, Eloth, D'riss)
2 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Atrahal)

-Liz

[Eloth]

 Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

 Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

 Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

 Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Another message from Two-Face:

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I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial deal. SL and Emurlahn are mine.

What is this supposed to mean? I almost feel like we should be completely ignoring these messages. These guys are just trying to muddy the water and get us confused. More WIFOM.

That might be best, indeed.

That's what, two people saying we should ignore Cult Leader messages? Trying to distance yourselves, perhaps?

No, actually I just don't want to kill myself with WIFOM. After the Two Face message and Shelly kill though, I'm getting the opinion that Two Face wants us to NOT look at Emurlahn and Telas. This looks more like we are being herded to an Eloth lynch.

I'm more inclined to think that Eloth had posted that broadcast to cast suspicion towards me and SL and away from himself. Then SL goes and dies. I think the BM targetted SL due to either that message OR because SL had a hard on for me therefore casting suspicion on me for being the Batman. Basically from my view point the thread has exploded since we put a few votes on Eloth. Would there have been a day vig IF we didn't go for Eloth? Would that broadcast have been broadcast if Eloth wasn't gaining votes? I'm not sold on Eloth's defence as I think he is scrambling because we've caught a roled player. Whether Eloth turns out to be BM or CL that is for us to see.

You know that does make the most sense. The heat gets put on Eloth and so then we get the day vig. With only a few hours left in the day, we're all then going to try and scramble and figure out why the vig takes place, taking attention away from Eloth. So scrambling CL or BM with a life to lose?

vote Eloth

OK, so now not only am I Two-Face, capable of throwing messages on thread, on recruiting and I also have a day vig?
Dude, I can't defend against this, I mean,it's utter wifom. And I can't even imagine that, and I have made some crazy roles in my time.

What about this: Two Face enjoys the mess on thread, leans back, throws a message out there for laughs and someone vigs one of the guys who is named there? Might be Batman, for all we know. Whether for more lols, or for framing Emur (which was the first thing he feared, incidentally) or me? You'll probably say it's too random. I'll say you're too eager to pin everything on me.

[Ampelas]

What the hell is with this Eloth pile-up? He puts a case on another player, gives his opinion, etc, and no fewer than 4 people jump on him for it? I didn't agree with the person who brought up the Big Tent thread before, but this to me is right on the nose for it.

The Meanas case is a good case. You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean you get to just pile up on Eloth for no reason other than disagreeing.

As it turns out, I think the Meanas case is quite good and don't believe him to be a mistaken townie at all.

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[Eloth]

 Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

That's not what I am talking about.

Do tell - what ARE you talking about? If you end up being innocent, then so be it. As Omtose pointed out, it's a cult game, so we have to re-examine everyone every day, because allegiances change with the flip of a hat.

What I mean is giving Meanas a get-out-of-prison card for free day 1. That is putting blinkers on.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 23 minutes left

21 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

7 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
4 votes for Meanas (Spite, Eloth, D'riss, Ampelas)
2 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Atrahal)

-Liz

[Atrahal]

You could at least attempt a defence though. The utter lack of one, and the attempt at misdirection, lead me to conclude you're becoming resigned to being the first casualty. Whether that's just or not: I don't know. But I, for one, am becoming tired of operating with so little info. As allegiances are going to change after Day 1, I'm of a mind to hurry proceedings toward that.



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[Rashan]

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

 Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

That's not what I am talking about.

Do tell - what ARE you talking about? If you end up being innocent, then so be it. As Omtose pointed out, it's a cult game, so we have to re-examine everyone every day, because allegiances change with the flip of a hat.

What I mean is giving Meanas a get-out-of-prison card for free day 1. That is putting blinkers on.

Eh, considering how things went down, it seems pretty clear to me that Meanas is town.

Korbas (I think) was calling for a mod-kill, Ment came on and said he doesn't really like doing a mod-kill but would discuss it with Liz. This likely means that Meanas was town, and would deserve a modkill, but that Ment was giving him a second chance. People screw up, yadda yadda.

Liz comes on and agrees with Ment and posts that there will not be a modkill.

To me, it seems pretty clear that Meanas is most likely town, probably a newb who didn't understand the rules, and not a cult leader.

You're voting town, and town should be the last person anyone wants to get rid of, so that stands out to me. A cult leader would definitely want to lynch another cult leader or batman first, but in the absence of an obvious CL or BM, why not take out a townie? I stand by my opinion.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 19 minutes left

21 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

8 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose, Atrahal)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
4 votes for Meanas (Spite, Eloth, D'riss, Ampelas)
1 vote for Emurlahn (Telas)

-Liz

[Omtose]

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

 Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

That's not what I am talking about.

Do tell - what ARE you talking about? If you end up being innocent, then so be it. As Omtose pointed out, it's a cult game, so we have to re-examine everyone every day, because allegiances change with the flip of a hat.

What I mean is giving Meanas a get-out-of-prison card for free day 1. That is putting blinkers on.

Based on Ment's response, I think he is town behaving badly today. We'll have to watch him, but to me that's no different than how we treat everyone else.

[Path-Shaper]

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

I really don't want to vote randomly, but there's just not much to go on at present, and the time limit is fast approaching. What do we know for certain?

* Joker has fingered Osseric (for whatever reason)
* Two-Face has claimed SL and Emurlahn
* Vig kill on SL, potentially in response to Two-Face's claim
* Meanas is, on balance, more likely to be Town than not
* I am unlikely to be Poison Ivy


Everything else is supposition. It's really not enough to go on, and surely not enough to make any deductions from. I'd expect that Emurlahn might be the next target of a kill as the only other known claimed player. Pointless to vote for him in that case, or not? I'd be tempted to vote for Emur to see what contingent actions might result.



Vote Emurlahn

Who voted for me? Sheltatha and Telas? I responded to Telas but he hasn't come on since. I ignored shelly because of his votes so far. I've committed myself to thinking that Meanas is town based on his opening post and have a good inkling of two other towns based on similar clues. I've tried to give a couple myself with "not the smartest cookie in the box" and something else. If you are playing the game and looking at what people have wrote then as of now you should know that i'm town. If not then that would cast suspicion your way as you don't understand the role of town OR you do but fail to pick up on the little clues thrown down.

ANY FURTHER ATTEMPTS AT PM FISHING WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE MODKILL

here's an RI PM for everyone's consideration;

Deadly thug (town)

you are the worst of the worst--biggest and meanest of Gotham's burgeoning criminal population. Sadly, you lack the brains to go along with the brawn. As such, the most oyu can aspire is beating up anyone who makes you feel inadeaquate dumb.

You are RI. you can vote who gets punched to death each day.
You will win once batman is dead IF the town has plurality at time of death.

-ment

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 June 2012 - 04:58 PM

[Eloth]

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

You could at least attempt a defence though. The utter lack of one, and the attempt at misdirection, lead me to conclude you're becoming resigned to being the first casualty. Whether that's just or not: I don't know. But I, for one, am becoming tired of operating with so little info. As allegiances are going to change after Day 1, I'm of a mind to hurry proceedings toward that.



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I answered every reasonable claim. Half the posts in the past 3 pages have been mine, and, imho, none of them were namecalling, none of them were asking for pity, they contained reason and answers. I tried persuading invidual voters, too. What else to do? What should I now defend against?
4 of those 7 (now 8) votes against me are lazily put on. Now I have to deal with wifom surrounding an issue I know absolutely nothing about: the Two Face message and the vig, but it is being shoved at me. Yeah, I'm resigned. You can damned well bet I am. Of course, I could reveal. Did you take the time to google Batman + Solomon Gundy? Now wonder why Shin sided with me?

[Telas]

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

You could at least attempt a defence though. The utter lack of one, and the attempt at misdirection, lead me to conclude you're becoming resigned to being the first casualty. Whether that's just or not: I don't know. But I, for one, am becoming tired of operating with so little info. As allegiances are going to change after Day 1, I'm of a mind to hurry proceedings toward that.

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Is this seriously directed at Eloth? He's done nothing but defend himself! This is a ridiculous thing to say.

Yes, from that you might be able to surmise that I don't really fancy the Eloth voting. I think everyone's getting antsy because we're only a couple of hours from deadline, and people are starting to think with the wrong brain and are becoming extremely anxious to jizz their load, to put it quaintly.

I actually thought Emurlahn's responses to what I put out there were pretty good. On the other hand, Anomandaris' response contradicted one of his earlier posts I believe. Give me a minute while I go search it out.

I will be voting either Anomandaris or D'riss, the latter because I much prefer that case to the one on Eloth.

[Eloth]

Cross-post with Ment.

[Telas]

The one thing I haven't done yet is thought very much about what Two-Face's message and the vig on Shelly fits in with how the voting is going, my dislike of the Eloth voting is based on the cases made before that stuff happened.

Anyways, I will go find that Ano thing.

[Telas]

Fuck's sake people, how hard is it to keep to the no-PM revealing rule? Well, at least I seemed to have been right about giving Emur a pass.

[Telas]

 Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Hmm, I read it that BM nominates a successor, who's only informed of their change in role if BM kicks the bucket.

I'd like some clarification on the successor bit, if possible PS.

Just finished my morning catch-up and am chewing on a couple of the new cases.

Telas building a case on anyone who was gunning for Osseric when Joker put him out there is interesting. Personally I was just going off of what little information we had at that time and trying to make a bit of sense from it. I understand that if the Joker was Osseric, he probably wouldn't want to put his name out there like that, drawing attention. I would WIFOM on that all day, but instead I'll just assume that's what happened. Seeing as the CL would have no clue who BM is, and no clue who each other are, Osseric is most likely just a random name with a 4/21 chance of being either a CL or BM. This is the same chance that any name would have assuming a CL threw out a name that was not theres. So, there is not really much evidence that Oss is anything other than a random name.

Ok, this is Ano's response when I put his name out there as one of three interested in seeing an Osseric lynch. Here he says that he's pretty much convinced Osseric is just a random name thrown out by the Joker, and very unlikely to be the Joker himself. But that's not really what he said earlier:

 Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

 Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

I don't think I've ever seen a WIFOM statement as blatant as the Joker's "Osseric is the Batman" statement. As you say, there's no way the Joker can have any legitimate knowledge of who the Batman is at this point, so I don't see why there's any reason to treat his pronouncements with more strength than if a random player tossed out the opinion "I think Osseric is the Batman" without any evidence to back it up - eg. none.

So basically your logic (which I think is totally sound) destroys my option B and A. So now I'm down to Osseric is a random name thrown, likely, or Joker is osseric. I may thrown a vote on him if I'm not wholly convinced he isnt joker further into day 1.

Here he doesn't sound anywhere near as convinced that Osseric is not the Joker as he does in the later post. Here he still sounds like he would be very willing to vote Osseric. What happened in the meantime? Not much as far as I know, aside from Ano's name being pointed out as being interested in an Osseric lynch - which he then distances himself from ever wanting in his response.

[Path-Shaper]

oh, incidentally, Shin was also town. I see Liz didn't mention that.

my lunch is over, gotta run

-ment

[Telas]

 Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

oh, incidentally, Shin was also town. I see Liz didn't mention that.

my lunch is over, gotta run

-ment

But he was also Solomon Grundy - so I don't think he was just your average run-of-the-mill thug.

Looks like this confirms that there are independents out there, and, if he was also linked to town, then those independents might be beneficial for town.

[Telas]

Oh

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