[Galain]

OK, PS/Ment - can we just get confirmation here....you say 'plurality' - you mean that seriously, as in the "largest faction standing" at the death of Batman wins? NOT necessarily a majority of the votes?

[Anomandaris]

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

You all stand around staring daggers at each other. or at least wishing you had daggers. or at least shanks.

then the Radio picks up the Bowery PA system again, and you hear Penguin's cockney voice again:

Quote

Touring the riot scene. Gravely assessing the devastation. Upstanding mayor stuff. FFS HAS NO ONE CONSIDERED THAT OSSERIC IS THE JOKER?"

DAMNIT! I was trying to read this but my main thought was that Osseric was the joker and put his own name in his announcement as a...well...joke. Too much stuffs to read through.

[Thyrllan]

I haven't finished reading yet, but Meanas is looking dodgy as fuck. Just for the record.

[D'riss]

Thyrllan, on 05 June 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I haven't finished reading yet, but Meanas is looking dodgy as fuck. Just for the record.

This is why taking notes is a good idea when you are catching up or re-reading. I always get side-tracked by bullshit that goes on and forget what made me suspicious of something until that vague unease is all that is left.

[Galain]

D, on 05 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 June 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I haven't finished reading yet, but Meanas is looking dodgy as fuck. Just for the record.

This is why taking notes is a good idea when you are catching up or re-reading. I always get side-tracked by bullshit that goes on and forget what made me suspicious of something until that vague unease is all that is left.

Oh for the days of yore, when I actually did the same. *wistful sigh*

[D'riss]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

D, on 05 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 June 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I haven't finished reading yet, but Meanas is looking dodgy as fuck. Just for the record.

This is why taking notes is a good idea when you are catching up or re-reading. I always get side-tracked by bullshit that goes on and forget what made me suspicious of something until that vague unease is all that is left.

Oh for the days of yore, when I actually did the same. *wistful sigh*

See the random postings above to note my do as I say and not as I do.

[Anomandaris]

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

[Osseric]

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Should we make everyone say Osseric is Batman?

Osseric is Batman

I've almost caught up, but I didn't catch the part where what I said or did made me Batman, unless it was something to do with my very brief look at korv's criminal slip(or honest mistake) or Eloth. Back to reading.

[Karosis]

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

I don't think I've ever seen a WIFOM statement as blatant as the Joker's "Osseric is the Batman" statement. As you say, there's no way the Joker can have any legitimate knowledge of who the Batman is at this point, so I don't see why there's any reason to treat his pronouncements with more strength than if a random player tossed out the opinion "I think Osseric is the Batman" without any evidence to back it up - eg. none.

[Path-Shaper]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

OK, PS/Ment - can we just get confirmation here....you say 'plurality' - you mean that seriously, as in the "largest faction standing" at the death of Batman wins? NOT necessarily a majority of the votes?

correct

[Thyrllan]

D, on 05 June 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 05 June 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I haven't finished reading yet, but Meanas is looking dodgy as fuck. Just for the record.

This is why taking notes is a good idea when you are catching up or re-reading. I always get side-tracked by bullshit that goes on and forget what made me suspicious of something until that vague unease is all that is left.

Yeah I probably will, but when there's a large game like this I just keep track of voting, but that's largely useless on day 1 before a lynch. But yeah, by dodgy I mean terminally unhelpful to town kind of dodgy rather than anything more useless.

[Omtose]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Oh and to play along...

Osseric is Batman.

Yeah baby yeah!

This post felt forced to me. Korbas was very clearly barking up the wrong tree with his demands for Atrahal to post an exact phrase given the explicit lack of limits on revealing. He does say previously that he'd enjoyed this section of discussion, but the way Omtose does this makes it feel like he was going for a "Better join in so everyone thinks I'm town!" sort of thing in an attempt to blend in.


His previous foray into prodding was pretty forced as well (so much so that Ampelas immediately called him on it, actually):

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

In both of posts he quotes, Rashan and Korbas explicitly mention that the Batman has offensive abilities (to wit - NKs). So this attack doesn't really make any sense in context - I don't see any downplaying going on here. Though I'll admit he managed to generate quite a bit of (albeit not particularly useful) discussion for a statement that was so unfounded.

In summary, some of Omtose's posts make it feel like he's trying too hard to blend into the crowd.

Vote Omtose

Really? This is a case? How do I defend from a feeling that I am "forced"? While I am not one of the ones that have all day to spam the thread, I do try and interact. I haven't made a decision yet on Day 1. I'd prefer to watch the interactions run a bit longer before I do. In the meantime I have made a comment here and there.

[Spite]

Telas, on 05 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Meanas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Well, town lynch of recruiter on day 1 is silly. I mean, what's the use? We don't have teams, and the longer we wait, the more people will have teams, and the more spread out those people will be. I mean, yeah, we'll be competing, but at least we won't have 3 big-uns as opposed to 4 smaller-uns.

And Batman? He's the ememy of all. If we hit him day one, all the better for us. That simple

Town lynch of a recruiter on day 1 is far from silly. Town lynch of a recruiter when there's only one or two left, on the other hand, is silly, as it will complete Batman's VCs. What we know is that there are at least 4 recruiters. But read the OP again. Those are the ones that are known. There could well be others, or at least other independents.

I don't like Meanas' post because it effectively dismisses town day 1. Whilst I'm not arguing against the fact that it's going to be incredibly hard for town to win unless the recruiters end up screwing each other over. However, if town can lynch a recruiter very early, it increases the chances of town winning, because there are less people with the ability to recruit. Ergo, if Meanas is town, then this is totally the wrong thinking to have. I might go so far as to suggest it's quite a recruiter-like mentality....

I agree with this completely. But not only is it like a recruiter mentality, it is a recruiter mentality. A recruiter would want to get as many players on their faction as possible, and Meanas explicitly says that BCS is that all recruit attempts succeed, as Eloth pointed out earlier is only good for recruiters. It's those little slips that are the most incriminating, while the insanely obvious slips are more likely to actually be innocent slips IMO.

Also, Meanas jumped on Rashan with only the slightest mention by Emurlahn. Emur just says that Rash is suspicious in his mind, and voila, Meanas votes him his next post. Meanas also mentioned that he thought that Emur was bold town, in which case I think Meanas is a recruiter cozying up to someone he thinks is town so it won't seem suspicious when Emur begins to symp(if he does) Meanas later in the game.

I just had a huge presentation on a very important project that is my whole grade for 3rd trimester history, and my english final, so sorry for the earlier drive by and if my analysis is incoherent/illogical...

Meanas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Meanas, on 04 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Ok, putting on my reading glasses, lighting my pipe, and sitting down before the hearth and getting all scholarly yo.

First of all, 5 people will need to outlast day 1, correct? Best way to do that is be middling, calm, composed, maybe even just the slightest bit spammy

Korbas, getting too worked up.
Atrahal, maybe, but still being too playful (and seriously you think someone knows who batman is already? seems a stretch to me)
Emur, more likely, but trying to lead the thread, more likely bold town.

What about Rashan he's high up on the list. I also got your first post were I do believe some people may not have.

He's an interesting one alrighty. He likes pointing fingers, trying very hard to play a serious game while not looking serious (making cute remarks and the like). I also like how he keeps pointing out "signaling" when there really is no reason to signal. I mean, any recruit is told who recruited him, correct?

I'll bite

Vote Rashan

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

I don't think I've ever seen a WIFOM statement as blatant as the Joker's "Osseric is the Batman" statement. As you say, there's no way the Joker can have any legitimate knowledge of who the Batman is at this point, so I don't see why there's any reason to treat his pronouncements with more strength than if a random player tossed out the opinion "I think Osseric is the Batman" without any evidence to back it up - eg. none.

Which is why I didn't play along, by the way.

[Anomandaris]

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

I don't think I've ever seen a WIFOM statement as blatant as the Joker's "Osseric is the Batman" statement. As you say, there's no way the Joker can have any legitimate knowledge of who the Batman is at this point, so I don't see why there's any reason to treat his pronouncements with more strength than if a random player tossed out the opinion "I think Osseric is the Batman" without any evidence to back it up - eg. none.

So basically your logic (which I think is totally sound) destroys my option B and A. So now I'm down to Osseric is a random name thrown, likely, or Joker is osseric. I may thrown a vote on him if I'm not wholly convinced he isnt joker further into day 1.

[Spite]

And, as usual, I forget to add some extra oomph to my thoughts...

Vote Meanas

[Galain]

OK, that makes life easier, depending on the number of NKs.



If we only need plurality, then we can safely say that this game is, for town, first and foremost a bat-hunt. Reducing the cults is good, but the chances of finding a cultist deliberatel on the early days does not weigh against the small benefits we get from them. The cults can presumably only grow at a rate of one player a night. For town, this means even with NKs we've got several nights before the cults have any chance of gaining plurality - and that's assuming town takes all the hits. Thus, we must needs kill the Batman, and if we see a cultist we take him down, just not at the expense of a bat-life.


Now, if I were Batman, I'd be staying low. Because I can take hits, it doesn't matter so much whether I get hit on as much as WHEN. And in that sense later is better. Day one, however, is most probably going to end up playing out like Eloth suggested at the start, I fear. Aside from Korv's joke/misstep regarding criminality, my pet voting for Eloth in an attempt to change the outcome of day one, joke votes and small tiffs are all we have (and btw, I do consider the Eloth thing a small tiff, I'm just taking this opportunity to try and push my agenda ).

[Anomandaris]

Also whoever (meanas?) said that BCS was a recruiter doing his thang err night until town loses is totally suspect towards being a cult leader (not towards BM). I forgot about that during the read. I should take notes....

EDIT IN RED

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 05 June 2012 - 01:45 AM

[D'riss]

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Ok, so I finally actually caught up.

Here are my thoughts.

If town needs to have more than any of the cults for a victory at bowel movement's time of death, then taking out one of the leaders wouldn't be a bad idea.

So we have joker pointing at Osseric as bowel movement. I don't see how Joker could have any idea who bowel movement is, so possibly A) Joker really does think that Oss is bowel movement and would like to see him taken down a life. B--) (Sorry for dashes, trying to avoid a smiley appearing instead) The Joker thinks that Oss is one of the other cult leaders and wants to toss some heat on him. C) The joker is actually Oss, and put his own name in there to throw townsfolk off (or just as a joke). And finally D) Oss is just a random-ass name that the joker threw in.

Thoughts anyone? I'm physically exhausted after reading/posting this. Ill check back later.

I don't think I've ever seen a WIFOM statement as blatant as the Joker's "Osseric is the Batman" statement. As you say, there's no way the Joker can have any legitimate knowledge of who the Batman is at this point, so I don't see why there's any reason to treat his pronouncements with more strength than if a random player tossed out the opinion "I think Osseric is the Batman" without any evidence to back it up - eg. none.

So basically your logic (which I think is totally sound) destroys my option B and A. So now I'm down to Osseric is a random name thrown, likely, or Joker is osseric. I may thrown a vote on him if I'm not wholly convinced he isnt joker further into day 1.

The problem with WIFOM is it is WIFOM and turtles all the way down.

[Karosis]

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Oh and to play along...

Osseric is Batman.

Yeah baby yeah!

This post felt forced to me. Korbas was very clearly barking up the wrong tree with his demands for Atrahal to post an exact phrase given the explicit lack of limits on revealing. He does say previously that he'd enjoyed this section of discussion, but the way Omtose does this makes it feel like he was going for a "Better join in so everyone thinks I'm town!" sort of thing in an attempt to blend in.


His previous foray into prodding was pretty forced as well (so much so that Ampelas immediately called him on it, actually):

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

In both of posts he quotes, Rashan and Korbas explicitly mention that the Batman has offensive abilities (to wit - NKs). So this attack doesn't really make any sense in context - I don't see any downplaying going on here. Though I'll admit he managed to generate quite a bit of (albeit not particularly useful) discussion for a statement that was so unfounded.

In summary, some of Omtose's posts make it feel like he's trying too hard to blend into the crowd.

Vote Omtose

Really? This is a case? How do I defend from a feeling that I am "forced"? While I am not one of the ones that have all day to spam the thread, I do try and interact. I haven't made a decision yet on Day 1. I'd prefer to watch the interactions run a bit longer before I do. In the meantime I have made a comment here and there.

Whether or not it's something you can defend yourself against does not diminish or amplify the case itself. Your questions are irrelevant - why should all cases be made in such a way that the accused can defend themselves against them? Let everyone else chime in with whether or not they think this is something worth looking at if you don't think you can do it yourself.