[Korvalain]

I'm going to have limited time to play over the weekend. I'll take a look and post my thoughts in a few hours.

[Fener]

Ruse, on 28 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 28 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

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If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Explain the underlined because as I see it

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As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

It is a passive ability that he automatically gives to his team mates.

I thought that the +1 DR was passive, but the DR manipulator would be able to, well, manipulate DR somewhat. Maybe they can take DR from one player and for a day give it to another? Or just increase DR even more?

I thought that was weird too when I read it, but if you check the faction lists there are three human faction-types that are called "DR manipulators". What's just struck me as interesting though, is that from the way he's talking about if, Fener may know what being a DR manipulator actually involves.

For all the other roles it just says "finder", or "healer", yet for DR manipulator it says that ability and says something else as well, which I took to mean 2 different things. Also, the word manipulate suggests actively affecting/changing something, so i thought they had the passive ability, and then could do something active as well, as this game seems to be one where almost all players have NAs

[Spite]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Ruse, on 28 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 28 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

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snip

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Explain the underlined because as I see it

Quote

As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

It is a passive ability that he automatically gives to his team mates.

I thought that the +1 DR was passive, but the DR manipulator would be able to, well, manipulate DR somewhat. Maybe they can take DR from one player and for a day give it to another? Or just increase DR even more?

I thought that was weird too when I read it, but if you check the faction lists there are three human faction-types that are called "DR manipulators". What's just struck me as interesting though, is that from the way he's talking about if, Fener may know what being a DR manipulator actually involves.

For all the other roles it just says "finder", or "healer", yet for DR manipulator it says that ability and says something else as well, which I took to mean 2 different things. Also, the word manipulate suggests actively affecting/changing something, so i thought they had the passive ability, and then could do something active as well, as this game seems to be one where almost all players have NAs

I wonder if the DR manipulator can take from one player and apply to another. It makes the most sense to me.

"edit" fixed missing word

This post has been edited by Spite: 28 April 2012 - 06:00 PM

[Galain]

Posting from phone to say I'll be back Monday. igmeo Tulas

[Korbas]

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

You've got it wrong. Here is my train of logic, I believe that the zombies present the biggest current threat, so understanding their mechanics is an important element to figure out early. If there are 22 named roles, and 24 sign-ups, that means 2 of the sign-ups had to be roled zombie. That said, there are 8 additional alts beyond the 24 sign-ups. You following so far? If we assume WCS, then those 8 are all zombie alts, and I'd imagine 4 go to each rolled zombie. Given that it is unlikely that the one roled played would be forced to post in each of the alts, someone in probably helping with that, but to avoid interfering in the game, they would have no say in the NA. So with that train of logic, I end up with a zombie faction of 5, the 1 roled player and the extra 4 alts. At this point, which I think we can all agree on (I think the survivor having alts idea is silly), the question is whether the roled player counts in the group. If so, zombies kill DR 4 and recruit DR 3. If not, zombies kill DR 3 and recruit DR 2.


Earlier yesterday, I wasn't thinking WCS. After the NK I was, which is why my numbers changed slightly. I was already thinking that the Priest could add DR (which is why I jumped on Fener mentioning who he thought the priest was on thread), and if the recent speculation regarding the DR manipulator is also valid there would be at least 4 people able to increase DR. I guess I'm just slightly confusd on the numbers, cause it could go either way, and remains to be seen.

[Serc]

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Mm, that thought occurred to me too. What better way to avoid a lynch and draw help at night than by hinting that you are the only independent that can positively affect the remaining humans?

That might work late in the game, but at the moment there's no way it would be effective. The people he would get help from would be the healers on the human teams, but until the leaders on those factions are dead, why would the healers ever target anyone else? Because of that, it seems to me pretty likely that all of the team leaders got healed last night. The scene implied that the heal was actually needed in one case, so I'm thinking one pair of killers must have targeted a leader. The alternative is that the Priest has heals and used one, I suppose.

Yeah, PS's use of 'innocence' suggests to me that it was action from the priest, but I am just speculating here.

Maybe. The attackers weren't listed as zombies, though.
Not sure if this priest would interfere otherwise.

[Tellan]

Emurlahn, on 28 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.

Vote Ampelas

I was just reading through the meagre offerings so far this weekend and, whilst I agree with the sentiment of pushing low posters out of their hole, your wording struck me as very funny. "We could use deductive reasoning, but nah, fuck that, let's just vote the low posters."


Also, I don't know how much I buy Fener's explanations. Struck me as someone getting slightly desperate to extricate themselves from a self-made mess. Even so, I'm leaning towards Fener being in one of the factions.

[Tulas Shorn]

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

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You've got it wrong. Here is my train of logic, I believe that the zombies present the biggest current threat, so understanding their mechanics is an important element to figure out early. If there are 22 named roles, and 24 sign-ups, that means 2 of the sign-ups had to be roled zombie. That said, there are 8 additional alts beyond the 24 sign-ups. You following so far? If we assume WCS, then those 8 are all zombie alts, and I'd imagine 4 go to each rolled zombie. Given that it is unlikely that the one roled played would be forced to post in each of the alts, someone in probably helping with that, but to avoid interfering in the game, they would have no say in the NA. So with that train of logic, I end up with a zombie faction of 5, the 1 roled player and the extra 4 alts. At this point, which I think we can all agree on (I think the survivor having alts idea is silly), the question is whether the roled player counts in the group. If so, zombies kill DR 4 and recruit DR 3. If not, zombies kill DR 3 and recruit DR 2.


Earlier yesterday, I wasn't thinking WCS. After the NK I was, which is why my numbers changed slightly. I was already thinking that the Priest could add DR (which is why I jumped on Fener mentioning who he thought the priest was on thread), and if the recent speculation regarding the DR manipulator is also valid there would be at least 4 people able to increase DR. I guess I'm just slightly confusd on the numbers, cause it could go either way, and remains to be seen.

The underlined bit has me somewhat confused. Are you trying to say that one zombie in a group won't count because it is some kind of controller-zombie? That the main alt controlled by the player doesn't attack with the rest of the group? That seems a bit far fetched to me.

In this kind of game low posting is a somewhat valid reason to lynch, but I also think we should continue questioning to see what else turns up.

[Korbas]

I was only listing the two options that I saw in that scenario, Tulas. I personally don't believe that to be the case, because like you said, it is far-fetched. The reason I said it was to put everything I was considering on thread for Ano to see my train of thought and why I ultimately concluded that Shin had to have an extra DR beyond what we knew of.

[Serc]

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 28 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.

Vote Ampelas

I was just reading through the meagre offerings so far this weekend and, whilst I agree with the sentiment of pushing low posters out of their hole, your wording struck me as very funny. "We could use deductive reasoning, but nah, fuck that, let's just vote the low posters."


Also, I don't know how much I buy Fener's explanations. Struck me as someone getting slightly desperate to extricate themselves from a self-made mess. Even so, I'm leaning towards Fener being in one of the factions.

Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

[Liosan]

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

You've got it wrong. Here is my train of logic, I believe that the zombies present the biggest current threat, so understanding their mechanics is an important element to figure out early. If there are 22 named roles, and 24 sign-ups, that means 2 of the sign-ups had to be roled zombie. That said, there are 8 additional alts beyond the 24 sign-ups. You following so far? If we assume WCS, then those 8 are all zombie alts, and I'd imagine 4 go to each rolled zombie. Given that it is unlikely that the one roled played would be forced to post in each of the alts, someone in probably helping with that, but to avoid interfering in the game, they would have no say in the NA. So with that train of logic, I end up with a zombie faction of 5, the 1 roled player and the extra 4 alts. At this point, which I think we can all agree on (I think the survivor having alts idea is silly), the question is whether the roled player counts in the group. If so, zombies kill DR 4 and recruit DR 3. If not, zombies kill DR 3 and recruit DR 2.


Earlier yesterday, I wasn't thinking WCS. After the NK I was, which is why my numbers changed slightly. I was already thinking that the Priest could add DR (which is why I jumped on Fener mentioning who he thought the priest was on thread), and if the recent speculation regarding the DR manipulator is also valid there would be at least 4 people able to increase DR. I guess I'm just slightly confusd on the numbers, cause it could go either way, and remains to be seen.

Backwards dude. Recruit would be 4 to a kill's 3. It's easier for the zombies to kill than to recruit (take a peek at the OP : http://forum.malazan...opic=23805&st=0).

Also, if we had 5 zombie voting blocks, why would JLV include the condition that if the number of zombies are one or more short of their targets DR, one of them dies? I mean, the 5 blocks have nothing to worry about, so why the conditional? I think actually the zombie herd is more broken up to give it more risk, and I still hold that human roles have control of at least a zombie or two. Or maybe there are 2 zombie only people with 3 each and the voodoo dude with 4. Dunno. But I really wonder if some of the people holding to one system of zombie distribution are zombies themselves...

I mean Sil was the first to bring up zombie dynamics, and the first to be killed by zombies. Coincidence, I think not.

[D'riss]

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

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Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

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Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

[Serc]

D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

snip

snip

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Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

Quote

Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

[Fener]

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

snip

snip

Quote

Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

Quote

Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

I see the merit in this idea, though even though it helps everyone, it actually helps zombies more than the human factions, as if we approach this game strategically like town vs scum with zombies as scum, human factions will lose players as zombies main targets (i assume) are human factions, then they will lose a few members each day either from zombies or killers, and zombies will be undiminished. This plan is a good plan if we take out the BB killers first, as it will lower human casualties, though it will also lower zombie casualties if the killers can kill zombies. Not sure about that though. The plan is good if killers can kill zombies. If not, the plan is too pro zombie to help the human factions.

Edit: sorry if I rambled.

This post has been edited by Fener: 29 April 2012 - 02:31 PM

[Korvalain]

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

Sorry all, its the weekend and I've been pretty busy. I'll be back around more tonight and when we return to the normal week. While there has been a little discussion, I guess I didn't miss too much. I have to say that I completely disagree with this. I agree Galain looks like one of these two roles, so for the moment I'd like to leave him alone. Even if he's a faction leader, we need his help to eliminate the voodoo dude or zombies atm.

[Liosan]

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

[Rashan]

I'm back checking in for the day. I agree the consensus at the moment. Zombies> Human factions atm. If they get out of hand the game could end quickly. I definately would lean towards a low/non poster atm as a good place to hide a zombie. Especially if 1 player is controlling 5 alts. If it turns out Galain really is the BB leader, well, he's in a tight spot and that will work itself out. We need to be more concerned with the zombie threat.

[Rashan]

So Ampleas and Kalse only have 1 post. I know I don't have many either, but come tomorrow i'll be around a lot more so should be fine.

vote Ampleas

low low posting is a good place for zombies to hide.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Rashan, on 29 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

So Ampleas and Kalse only have 1 post. I know I don't have many either, but come tomorrow i'll be around a lot more so should be fine.

vote Ampleas

low low posting is a good place for zombies to hide.

I agree that low posting is probably a really good place for the zombies to hide. In a game like this it seems that a low poster hunt is a decent strategy.


Vote Kalse

[Sheltatha Lore]

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

I don't know how well I am trusting of twelves gut for this game. During the sign up he said that he wasn't going to have a lot of time to play. If you look at his style of play for day 1 it was even more abrasive then usual. I think that he was actively trying to get himself lynched or killed off at night. I don't know if he was as actively trying to figure out the different dynamics of the game as he usually is.

One thing that I am wondering is if the zombie horde can vote. I doubt that all of the zombies votes can count. Otherwise they will have a huge voting majority. I think that either a zombie can only vote with one of his alts at a time. So by day 3 we should have enough info off of the proceeding lynch trains to start to narrow down the potential list.