[Olar Ethil]

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

*Lightbulb goes off above my head*

I know it now!

I think Serc is the priest. He said "Repent your sins" and he was accused of being independent. Sins (and the thing that preaches against them (religion)) have to do with priests (priests are not sinful etc etc) and the priest is independent, as was stated in the OP.

Seriously, you are going to say this on thread? Smart one champ, and I think we all understand the connection between sins and priests, so thanks for the in depth explanation.

just catching up and I agree

[Olar Ethil]

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Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

Medic Irwin Wade - medic of the BurnBridgers
Defense Rating = 2
Healer

Not good for the Burnbridges. At least they have their killers still alive. The Medic's DR was at least 3 due to Corporal Mike above ^.

[Tellan]

Isn't Olar Ethil just the helpfulest?

[Tellan]

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

[Ruse]

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

Hmm, I thought something similar as well. Poorly thought out if so, it makes him a target for the zombies, if they're convinced it might be true. Unless Fener is a zombie recruit/alt and knows that that won't be a problem. This multiple zombie alts thing is doing my head in.

[Fener]

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. The clock has been frozen with 35 Hours and 59 Minutes remaining.

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fener ( Olar Ethil )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Anomandaris]

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 28 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Mm, that thought occurred to me too. What better way to avoid a lynch and draw help at night than by hinting that you are the only independent that can positively affect the remaining humans?

[Anomandaris]

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

Isn't Olar Ethil just the helpfulest?

I got the impulse to say something like this after Fener's speculation about Serc (which was WAAY overexplained). Didn't see the problem with OE's post though...

[Anomandaris]

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Mm, that thought occurred to me too. What better way to avoid a lynch and draw help at night than by hinting that you are the only independent that can positively affect the remaining humans?

That might work late in the game, but at the moment there's no way it would be effective. The people he would get help from would be the healers on the human teams, but until the leaders on those factions are dead, why would the healers ever target anyone else? Because of that, it seems to me pretty likely that all of the team leaders got healed last night. The scene implied that the heal was actually needed in one case, so I'm thinking one pair of killers must have targeted a leader. The alternative is that the Priest has heals and used one, I suppose.

[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

Isn't Olar Ethil just the helpfulest?

I got the impulse to say something like this after Fener's speculation about Serc (which was WAAY overexplained). Didn't see the problem with OE's post though...

Think it was the quote that was being referred to

[Tulas Shorn]

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

Interesting. I originally read this as Korbas getting his numbers mixed up, and meaning that it would have taken 4 zombies to kill and 5 to recruit.

It is his comment that "Shin likely had another +1 DR buffer" that has me confused. Why is it likely that Shin would have another DR buffer?

It looks like Korbas has extra knowledge of SOMETHING, it is just about figuring out what...

[Tulas Shorn]

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Mm, that thought occurred to me too. What better way to avoid a lynch and draw help at night than by hinting that you are the only independent that can positively affect the remaining humans?

That might work late in the game, but at the moment there's no way it would be effective. The people he would get help from would be the healers on the human teams, but until the leaders on those factions are dead, why would the healers ever target anyone else? Because of that, it seems to me pretty likely that all of the team leaders got healed last night. The scene implied that the heal was actually needed in one case, so I'm thinking one pair of killers must have targeted a leader. The alternative is that the Priest has heals and used one, I suppose.

Yeah, PS's use of 'innocence' suggests to me that it was action from the priest, but I am just speculating here.

[Olar Ethil]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

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If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Explain the underlined because as I see it

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As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

It is a passive ability that he automatically gives to his team mates.

[Emurlahn]

I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.

Vote Ampelas

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. The clock has been frozen with 35 Hours and 59 Minutes remaining.

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Fener ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Fener]

Olar Ethil, on 28 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

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If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Explain the underlined because as I see it

Quote

As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

It is a passive ability that he automatically gives to his team mates.

I thought that the +1 DR was passive, but the DR manipulator would be able to, well, manipulate DR somewhat. Maybe they can take DR from one player and for a day give it to another? Or just increase DR even more?

[Ruse]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 28 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

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If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

Explain the underlined because as I see it

Quote

As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

It is a passive ability that he automatically gives to his team mates.

I thought that the +1 DR was passive, but the DR manipulator would be able to, well, manipulate DR somewhat. Maybe they can take DR from one player and for a day give it to another? Or just increase DR even more?

I thought that was weird too when I read it, but if you check the faction lists there are three human faction-types that are called "DR manipulators". What's just struck me as interesting though, is that from the way he's talking about if, Fener may know what being a DR manipulator actually involves.

[Ruse]

If it involves something active, rather than a passive ability, I mean.