[Path-Shaper]

I hate today. Sorry about the lack of PS updates, I'll go do that now.

[Path-Shaper]

Let me know if I missed any.

It is Day 2. 23 hours and 36 minutes remaining
30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss, Tennes, Tellan )
4 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Spite, Telas

[Liosan]

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

[Osseric]

Way past bed time for me.

For the moment I am still conflicted, Liosan and serc both look suspect in my eyes, they both change their minds and then attack each other despite the fact that at that point they were agreeing. I think low posters could be potential hiding places for zombies as well though so I see the sense in lynching a low poster early rather than letting it drag on to later in the game, however, Ampelas has quite a few votes on him already and I would like to hear what he has to say when he does come back before voting for him.

For the moment I am going to go with Serc but I will be around before time out anyway so if anything else crops up I can change this. I just don't feel convinced of his innocence, not with the way he seems to change his mind, attacks people that disagree with him as doing so because they are this or that and, which he has decided and takes as truth and assures us all of this with absolutely no back-up.

Vote Serc

[Fener]

After a while looking over the three main cases (korbas, serc, ampelas) here are my thoughts:
Serc, while a distraction, doesn't have substantial evidence against him yet. I don't think we should rush judgment on him yet as I've heard talk about finding what he let slip and tried to cover up. We should do that then decide what to do.
Ampelas: simple low poster case, I see how this Idea could work, and think it has the best chance to net us a zombie.
Korbas: I think though this is a good case, the ampelas case may make it clearer whether the zombies and multiple alts hypothesis is true or not, which will give us a better idea whetger Korbas is a zombie, as if the hypothesis is more easily told as correct, then he actually knew more than anyone but a zombie would know, but if not, he was just speculating. Because of this, the ampelas lynch will allow us to kill multiple birds with 1 stone.
So in conclusion:
Vote Ampelas

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

Umm, have you not read the OP or are you just throwing posts like this out there for shits and giggles? Seriously the first line in the OP is "Basic things first: This will be a faction game. 3 human factions, 1 zombie faction, and (possibly) several independents."

Note the use of the word faction.

Yes, let's all kill each other while the cult grows in strength.

[Ruse]

Evenin' folks, reading up.

[Serc]

My bad, I thought the purpose of the game was to aquire the most total votes over the course of the game.
To do so would require a semi high vote total each night, yet managing to live, all while also completing the true VC: HAVE FUN.

But now that Ive seen the Light, ill play fair.

[Korbas]

Eloth, on 01 May 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

Umm, have you not read the OP or are you just throwing posts like this out there for shits and giggles? Seriously the first line in the OP is "Basic things first: This will be a faction game. 3 human factions, 1 zombie faction, and (possibly) several independents."

Note the use of the word faction.

Yes, let's all kill each other while the cult grows in strength.

What Eloth said. Besides I got a different read of the OP from yours. Let me copy/paste for you...

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.


As Eloth pointed out the zombie faction is a faction. So my read is that no Human group can win while the zombies are still in play, same for the zombies regarding the humans. However, the zombies have the advantage seeing that they are a cult, and are able to recruit. Our advantage is that we start with larger numbers. If we don't take that threat seriously and eliminate the zombies asap, then their numbers will swell and the end game will pretty much already be decided for us.


In regards to my vote, the question is Serc or Amp. While Serc is all over the place with various schemes and even though I do not like his playstyle, I wasn't really getting a zombie feeling off him. With the sheer numbers in this game, it makes it unlikely for him to be on my faction, but I'd still rather avoid voting off a member of a human faction if at all possible. By my estimate, there are still around 19 hours to go, so I'll give it a bit more time, though I am leaning towards Amp right now.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 28 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.

Vote Ampelas

Interesting that you think there's only one play with multiple alts? I was under that there was fairly broad consensus on the fact that there were two players with multiple alts. I started thinking about that, and thought perhaps the voodoo master might have control of them instead. But it's not the voodoo master that has the high time requirement, it's the Survivor (I had to go and check). Who's information, incidentally says "Manipulate and coerce to victory". Which made me think of Serc. So there's that as a possibility. Otherwise, I fail to see why he's been pigeonholed as human. I'm nearly convinced he's a zombie or an independent. If he's not, then he's a just a gigantic pain in the ass.

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

My bad, I thought the purpose of the game was to aquire the most total votes over the course of the game.
To do so would require a semi high vote total each night, yet managing to live, all while also completing the true VC: HAVE FUN.

But now that Ive seen the Light, ill play fair.

Is how I feel, almost every time you post.

I'm good to lynch low posters as well, but quite frankly I'd rather give Amp another day than this joker.

Vote Serc

[Serc]

Does this mean I know longer have your support, Ruse?

[Serc]

Korbas, on 01 May 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

Eloth, on 01 May 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

Umm, have you not read the OP or are you just throwing posts like this out there for shits and giggles? Seriously the first line in the OP is "Basic things first: This will be a faction game. 3 human factions, 1 zombie faction, and (possibly) several independents."

Note the use of the word faction.

Yes, let's all kill each other while the cult grows in strength.

What Eloth said. Besides I got a different read of the OP from yours. Let me copy/paste for you...

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.


As Eloth pointed out the zombie faction is a faction. So my read is that no Human group can win while the zombies are still in play, same for the zombies regarding the humans. However, the zombies have the advantage seeing that they are a cult, and are able to recruit. Our advantage is that we start with larger numbers. If we don't take that threat seriously and eliminate the zombies asap, then their numbers will swell and the end game will pretty much already be decided for us.


In regards to my vote, the question is Serc or Amp. While Serc is all over the place with various schemes and even though I do not like his playstyle, I wasn't really getting a zombie feeling off him. With the sheer numbers in this game, it makes it unlikely for him to be on my faction, but I'd still rather avoid voting off a member of a human faction if at all possible. By my estimate, there are still around 19 hours to go, so I'll give it a bit more time, though I am leaning towards Amp right now.

You realize that you're the first person to come out and actually say it plainly that Zombies need to be targeted first, not just because they are dangerous, cult, can recruit, etc....But that for the human faction to win, it has to survive not only both other human factions, but the Zombie faction.

Even if quite obvious to some people, according to a million posts, it wasnt quite obvious to possibly at least half the people that are even human faction.

Now that that's been cleared up.

The priest has to kill 10 zombies? 10? Seems alot. You think he's gonna have to convince them to come to him or something? Maybe actually hoping for a Night Attack or someting.

[Ruse]

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

Does this mean I know longer have your support, Ruse?

Don't you have anything better to do than talk shit?

And the faction thing is fairly obvious. While I guess it's an understandable enough as a once off, it does seem odd that there were a number of people convinced by it. Hmm, that might be worth taking a look at, actually, since it's in the zombie's best interests to have people not looking for them! If I remember I'll do it later, but for now a have a few things to do, will be back in a couple of hours.

[Serc]

Ruse, if I keep the secret that you have an alt will you subtract your vote and pledge your undying soul to me?

I may die early, but when we look back at my claims, Im gonna be right on most of them.

[Serc]

You seriously think I'm talking shit? I'm sorry. This may sound sarcastic, but nothing Ive said or done was suppose to come across in any such way. Except maybe I crossed the line with Kaschan on day 1, but he's married to my ex wife. That, plus the whole walking undead thing possibility.

[Korbas]

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

Does this mean I know longer have your support, Ruse?

Don't you have anything better to do than talk shit?

And the faction thing is fairly obvious. While I guess it's an understandable enough as a once off, it does seem odd that there were a number of people convinced by it. Hmm, that might be worth taking a look at, actually, since it's in the zombie's best interests to have people not looking for them! If I remember I'll do it later, but for now a have a few things to do, will be back in a couple of hours.

That's a rather good point. The OP made it rather obvious what the VCs were for the factions, so for that wrong idea to propagate to several people, there had to be someone spreading it. Liosan comes to mind, but I don't recall him being the only one. Worth a look anyway.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 17 hours and 46 minutes remaining

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal, Fener )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss, Tennes, Tellan )
6 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis, Osseric, Ruse )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Eloth, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Omtose, Spite, Telas

[Emurlahn]

Back and addressing some posts that have caught my eye.

Korvalain, on 30 April 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Back for a bit and doing a reread. This post caught my eye:

Emurlahn, on 26 April 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Wow this game looks to be some shit!! I can't wait to get my teeth into it, not much to sift through yet, i'm feeling horny but I don't see any dragon shecks anywhere. It's day one, why's no one pulled out the fricking beads and mat? I mean I know it can get messy but come on

I can't think of any kinky sex acts that would require beads and a mat, so I'm thinking this is signalling of some sort? Or is he insinuating he's a priest?

Anyways, I'm still reading, got several pages to go.

I feel very sorry for your imagination. Anal beads are common in a few relationships, especially if you frequent certain shops. The only thing with them is that it can get messy. My friend told me a story once of his fiancé inserting 6"'s of beads and just before climation she ripped them out and he had the best orgasm he's ever had, needless to say there was also a bit of mess, hence the matt. Anyway back to mafia...

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Fuck my internet keeps going down. Tennes I was going to say that I agree with you on Osseric Korvalian and Emurlahn and it is something we should definately keep an eye on

Tennes looks to create a situation here without any proof yet Meanas agrees with him. Anyone can see that I haven't posted in that situation and he knows because he hasn't quoted it.

[Galain]

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

[Serc]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?