[Serc]

Path-Shaper, on 01 May 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 17 hours and 46 minutes remaining

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal, Fener )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss, Tennes, Tellan )
6 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis, Osseric, Ruse )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Eloth, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Omtose, Spite, Telas

We would need every remaining player that hasnt voted, except Amp to vote for Amp to get a Lynch.

I dont think some of them want to. If so we'd like to hear the unvoted thoughts on not just one target, but some back ups in case its needed.

Of the 6 votes for me, I can understand a few of them. Some of my attempts to charge discussion seems to sometimes backfire and cloud the truth. Only Ruse and Kaschan make me uneasy, of those who voted for me.

Not sure at all about Karosis; Oseeric I think I just annoyed or proved harmful instead of helpful; Mockra sort of seemed a human who thought I was Zombie, another not sure; And finally Liosan. Im not sure Liosan wanted us to take out the human factions first because he made the same common mistake as half this forum in assuming the human faction VC was to survive just the other two VCs. Then again, maybe he just wants humans dead. But now that we know the zombies have to die for a human faction to win, if Liosan is human, would he still vote for me?

Just curious. Im sure Ampelas will vote for me, Its the only train that will help him survive atm.

[Galain]

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

[Serc]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

I figured Sorrit was human, but seemed the only way to go as it was day 1. I mean anyone would have worked really.

Then again I do admit to letting something Silanah say remove my suspicious of Kaschan, and something Telas said made me wonder about Sorrit,

But if we cant get some people to swap votes(yes that would include swapping to me), then we need to figure out something. Cuz as is, nothing is gonna happen.

[Serc]

Wow, totally read timer wrong.

[Galain]

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 May 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 17 hours and 46 minutes remaining

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal, Fener )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss, Tennes, Tellan )
6 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis, Osseric, Ruse )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Eloth, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Omtose, Spite, Telas

We would need every remaining player that hasnt voted, except Amp to vote for Amp to get a Lynch.

I dont think some of them want to. If so we'd like to hear the unvoted thoughts on not just one target, but some back ups in case its needed.

Of the 6 votes for me, I can understand a few of them. Some of my attempts to charge discussion seems to sometimes backfire and cloud the truth. Only Ruse and Kaschan make me uneasy, of those who voted for me.

Not sure at all about Karosis; Oseeric I think I just annoyed or proved harmful instead of helpful; Mockra sort of seemed a human who thought I was Zombie, another not sure; And finally Liosan. Im not sure Liosan wanted us to take out the human factions first because he made the same common mistake as half this forum in assuming the human faction VC was to survive just the other two VCs. Then again, maybe he just wants humans dead. But now that we know the zombies have to die for a human faction to win, if Liosan is human, would he still vote for me?

Just curious. Im sure Ampelas will vote for me, Its the only train that will help him survive atm.

There are players that have voted elsewhere that can also change their mind, nothing is set in stone at the moment. I do not think you are a zombie, I am leaning heavily towards one of the independents for you, you are role playing the priest but that doesn't necessarily mean you are the priest.

[Ruse]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

[Galain]

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Wow, totally read timer wrong.

Yeah over 12 hours to go

[Galain]

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

Did you notice that Tulas was quite prominent day one, and also a suspect. Since then he has gone under the radar, said little, voted a low poster and no one is looking at him any more?

[Serc]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 May 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 17 hours and 46 minutes remaining

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal, Fener )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss, Tennes, Tellan )
6 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis, Osseric, Ruse )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Eloth, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Omtose, Spite, Telas

We would need every remaining player that hasnt voted, except Amp to vote for Amp to get a Lynch.

I dont think some of them want to. If so we'd like to hear the unvoted thoughts on not just one target, but some back ups in case its needed.

Of the 6 votes for me, I can understand a few of them. Some of my attempts to charge discussion seems to sometimes backfire and cloud the truth. Only Ruse and Kaschan make me uneasy, of those who voted for me.

Not sure at all about Karosis; Oseeric I think I just annoyed or proved harmful instead of helpful; Mockra sort of seemed a human who thought I was Zombie, another not sure; And finally Liosan. Im not sure Liosan wanted us to take out the human factions first because he made the same common mistake as half this forum in assuming the human faction VC was to survive just the other two VCs. Then again, maybe he just wants humans dead. But now that we know the zombies have to die for a human faction to win, if Liosan is human, would he still vote for me?

Just curious. Im sure Ampelas will vote for me, Its the only train that will help him survive atm.

There are players that have voted elsewhere that can also change their mind, nothing is set in stone at the moment. I do not think you are a zombie, I am leaning heavily towards one of the independents for you, you are role playing the priest but that doesn't necessarily mean you are the priest.

Well in small defense of that, that was NOT intentional. I was merely thinking about Zombies at the time, and was accusing random players on day 1 of this, and for some reason I thought of that Red Witch from Game of Thrones.

Her motto is "For the Night is Dark and Full of Terrors." Seemed appropriate. But she also says to Lord Renly and at least one or two others: Repent your sins, for the night is dark and full of terrors.

I think it was Fener who first made that accusation. So yeah, at times, it was sort of mocking that accusation. Im pretty sure revealing that will draw the full brunt of the Zombie Faction, assuming they vote independanltly.

To be honest I thought the Priest was Thryllan. I wouldnt put it past PS to make the Lord of Light the priest. But thats no real reason to go on.

But then again Im thinking that 10 zombies is alot to kill. So maybe he does want the attention, just waiting for us to reduce their numbers.

[Serc]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

Did you notice that Tulas was quite prominent day one, and also a suspect. Since then he has gone under the radar, said little, voted a low poster and no one is looking at him any more?

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

You're right about that Ruse. I felt that my actions saved Tulas's ass, allowing enough votes to shift to Kaschan while not hindering Sorrits. When Tulas shifted his vote to Kaschan instead of Sorrit, I thought he did so becuase I had claimed Kaschan was Zombie. I still have these thoughts. But nothing sure. I still think his DR was 0, and it had nothing to do with anything I did to him.

Now Im not so sure about Tulas. But he did vote for Amp and not me, so I think he maybe clean. But it could just be brilliant play.

And he does owe me one, intentional or not.

[Serc]

Silanah, on 27 April 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

Well, I wasn't expecting that much of a catchup.

I'm mostly scratching my head at how confident people seem to be in their assertions about others. I'm not sure I really am high on any of the current likely lynch candidates. Between Serc and Kaschan, I don't see either one as strikingly "zombie", as they both make potentially valid points about each other, that cannot be proven either way as it stands now.

One impression that struck me in my readup was how Olar Ethil seemed to come on from no where and bull their way to a vote.

Remove Vote

So I don't forget to do so later.

This is the quote that had me change my vote from Kaschan to Sorrit. Actually to no one, then Sorrit.

[Ruse]

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

Did you notice that Tulas was quite prominent day one, and also a suspect. Since then he has gone under the radar, said little, voted a low poster and no one is looking at him any more?

Yup, same thing's happened with Kaschan, and to be honest I'm not too fussed, given that the accusations made against them were kinda crap. To paraphrase, they consisted of things like "too agressive" and "too jumpy" and a bunch of "I agree with the above" votes. There were a couple of posts that were more thoughtful, but nothing of enough interest for me to want to go back to them right now. I imagine other people feel the same.

[Serc]

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 01 May 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

So you do exist. This looks as though you are trying to avoid modkill but still get lynched. I'd hate it if you turn out to be part of my faction. It does look like your a zombie though or an independent as there is no one who is willing to defend you or back you up. I am going to be around so I can add my vote to you at anytime but I want to have a proper catch up today.

What are your thoughts, Galain?

I had thought you were a BB the way you defended Sorrit, but it was probably too obvious.

So in case I was wrong, any thoughts?

Well the case built on Sorrit was due to my supposed symping of him. However, I didn't want to be linked to Sorrit in case he turned out to be a zombie. I thought Sorrit was innocent and others suspect yet we ended up with only one choice by the end of the day.

Yes, because people decided he was the mostly likely choice of a lynch after something like four votes on him. After that it was "voting because we need a lynch", starting with Serc and followed by a bunch more. Which is annoying seeing as we had Kaschan, Serc, and Tulas Shorn as other potential lynches as well. Hence why I'm still prepared to vote Serc.

Did you notice that Tulas was quite prominent day one, and also a suspect. Since then he has gone under the radar, said little, voted a low poster and no one is looking at him any more?

Yup, same thing's happened with Kaschan, and to be honest I'm not too fussed, given that the accusations made against them were kinda crap. To paraphrase, they consisted of things like "too agressive" and "too jumpy" and a bunch of "I agree with the above" votes. There were a couple of posts that were more thoughtful, but nothing of enough interest for me to want to go back to them right now. I imagine other people feel the same.

Just for the record, you're vote for me is based on the fact that you think I'm zombie faction or Independant, right?

[Ruse]

Says so near the top of the page sweetheart.

[Serc]

Ruse, on 01 May 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Says so near the top of the page sweetheart.

OK, I see it now.

So you're claim must be as part of a human faction. And one who's positive that if I turn out not to be what you think, and actually human faction, just not from yours.

Just making sure. Not trying to argue.

If you're wrong will you be willing to being Zombie yourself?

My only problems with you, truely, have been your comments on people having alts. If someone was willing to, they'd see you devote more time than anyone talking about players with alts.

So to be honest, thats my only real suspicion of you. I have this EXACT feeling about someone else, but they havent voted yet, so Im not gonna slice my own throat just yet.

I just hope there is light finally cast your way if you're proven wrong.

EDIT: Sweetheart. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. I'm touched.

This post has been edited by Serc: 01 May 2012 - 10:29 AM

[Spite]

more than likely I wont be here for time out so I'm going to put my vote out now. The two trains at the moment are Serc and Ampelas. I don't think we will gain a lot of info from either one IMO. Amp is just a low poster with not a lot of interactions to follow after the lynch, and serc has been so far a field that everything he has said is suspect. But at the rate serc is spreading his BS it could be days before we get any clarity.

I'm going to vote Serc. His misdirections are hurting the game more than helping.

vote serc

[Serc]

Spite, on 01 May 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

more than likely I wont be here for time out so I'm going to put my vote out now. The two trains at the moment are Serc and Ampelas. I don't think we will gain a lot of info from either one IMO. Amp is just a low poster with not a lot of interactions to follow after the lynch, and serc has been so far a field that everything he has said is suspect. But at the rate serc is spreading his BS it could be days before we get any clarity.

I'm going to vote Serc. His misdirections are hurting the game more than helping.

vote serc

Spiteful.

[Korvalain]

Liosan, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

Your logic is flawed.

I can't imagine that anyone would be linking ME with YOU when I seem to be the only one that thinks that your whole strategy is more likely to get us killed by the horder or voodoo priest. How convenient that your little zombie followers all chime in that I am suspicious because I called you out, and because Twelve through my name on a list of randoms day 1.

I haven't had my coffee yet, and I need to do a read up.

[Serc]

30 people left? 16 human faction, 4 independant, 10 zombie?

So if we're right about Amp being zombie just for low posting, the zombies would try to stop this. So if the remaining 16 humans vote for Amp, its a lynch. 4 Independants wouldnt have to vote, and I could still muster 10 zombie votes.

Perhaps my death wouldl reveal something, after all. It still seems fishy to me that anyone opposed to a low poster lynch would be human faction. And a few even stated how "we've" not usualy voted low posters "before."

And I'll be the first to say that just because Amp is a low poster it doesnt MEAN anything, but with this format its a damn good shot.

Blame it on me defending myself, but at least let it be known that stong opposition to me should be suspect after tonight.

It'll be a small victory against those saying my antics weren't helping. When in fact they will have helped.

[Serc]

Korvalain, on 01 May 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Interesting note, esp with Korvalain disavowing me so suddenly and so adamantly (don't link me with him, puhlease!)

Ok, so I see that some (or less if we are seeing some multialt action) are disconcerted by both my switch and my ideas. First of all, the switch. As I explained, I thought through the logic of going after zombies and found it wanting, hence my review of the VCs and determination that the factions needed to focus on their primary targets and not get waylaid by the distraction of zombies.

To expound upon my strategy, let us say that there are two players with multiple zombie alts available to them (as would potentially be consistent with a night scene that describes two separate zombie attacks). There are a couple of reasons to assume this:

One, if a single player is attacked by a zombie cluster with a size 1 or more less than they're DR (3 zombies vs a DR of 4 for instance) a zombie dies. Right? Ok, we got that down.

Two, to have a zombie hoard that doesn't kill itself off in the first night, there has to be some coordination to prevent instances of 1 zombie vs a DR of 4. Hence, the principle of multialt players. We could have off thread communication between the two strictly zombie players as well, but it would only amount to a zombie hoard size of 2 without multialts available.




So here's why, with the assumption of multialt zombie players, I believe that we should go for human faction members instead of zombies:
We go for zombies. For every one zombie lynched in BCS, the humans lose two players per night in WCS. Zombies either decimate humans faster than humans can retailiate (esp. if zombies know who at least 5 of their group from the get go), or the zombie hoard grows and decimates the humans as well. Great, that helps humans a lot. Granted, we could hit zombies, but how fast, esp. when our probability of hitting human is much higher at this stage of the game.

We go for humans. Zombies will be killing off humans as well. This will mean a fast game, but it behooves the two human teams still with full ranks to try to eliminate the other factions as fast as possible and meet their victory conditions. It comes down to which team can tread water the longest.

Zombies replenish their ranks and killing them does nothing for our faction VCs. Humans don't replenish, and every human eliminated not on your faction team is one step closer to real victory.

I know this is a risky endeavor, and that's why it puts some off, but I see an easy win for zombies if we waste time preserving humans (and identifying them for zombie consumption) instead of duking it out here and now. Does anyone really think we'll get rid of all the zombies and have a nice clean final human showdown. Plus the voodoo clock is ticking.

That is my stance. Any questions? (I will answer next work break).

Your logic is flawed.

I can't imagine that anyone would be linking ME with YOU when I seem to be the only one that thinks that your whole strategy is more likely to get us killed by the horder or voodoo priest. How convenient that your little zombie followers all chime in that I am suspicious because I called you out, and because Twelve through my name on a list of randoms day 1.

I haven't had my coffee yet, and I need to do a read up.

Can't believe Im doing this, but Liosan may have made the same mistake as half this forum. Do to MANY posts, some thought the zombies didnt have to be killed first for the Human Faction to win. Most said the zombies need be killed due to their nature, being cult, recruiting, etc. None of that would have been be said had they just pointed out what many was missing.

ZOMBIE FACTION.

If zombies werent required to be dead for a human victory, even I could understand the logic in going for quick kills while hoping to survive the night.

Either that or Liosan is incredibly smart and devious, and is now salivating for human flesh.

Hard to say.