[Tiamatha]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Now in the same vein of thought in making weak connections via faction, I think Tiam bought the Korlat info, found Korlat was on his team, then decided to lightly defend him.

Hehe

It still a good case and if I felt it necessary to eliminate a player just to get information I would definately be voting for Korlat. As this isn't a normal game of mafia and as I wasn't one of the people who purchased info on either Merrid or Korlat I need some overwhelmingly good evidence or very strong motivation to lynch someone. Especially now that I know that it's possible to get faction information at fairly decent prices as the contracts in the bazaar are now proof of that.

I think the market is too critical to too many players to acheive their goals (Which hopefully will help fulfill their team goals) to want to cut someone out before either a critical time in the game, such as if a faction is one or two titles away from success, or if more players feel the market is no longer needed to accomplish what you are looking to accomplish. In this case we want money to buy titles. The fewer people out there to buy and sell the harder it will be for people to make money.

[Korlat]

To raise another point, if I may: it seems to me as though lynching someone with a high post count is somewhat counter-productive if you're hoping to get some of the quieter players into the game. What kind of message does it send if the person with the highest post count is voted off? I would imagine it says "Keep your head down and you'll survive." You are not going to get low-posters contributing by voting off high posters, that's my opinion. Perhaps something worth bearing in mind, anyway.

[Tiamatha]

Hence why I still have my vote on Alkend. Though Okaros post padding really irked me and would like to get somemore contribution from either one of them.

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Also, looks like someone just bought info on Korlat...

I feel a bit dirty for knowing that PS isn't going to be around to give them the information they have bought...kind of an advantage I don't deserve, really.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Also, looks like someone just bought info on Korlat...

I feel a bit dirty for knowing that PS isn't going to be around to give them the information they have bought...kind of an advantage I don't deserve, really.

Yeah, there's an interesting dynamic there, where we are all essentially buying and selling and updating our goods on the honor system but there's no public record of when certain things were bought, sold, or added on the Bazaar. That could make a difference in like saying, "Oh, you bought that info before you made this case", where it may not be able to prove that claim one way or the other.

Also, yes, with P-S gone, contracts that give info like this are somewhat unbalanced for the reasons you stated above. Nothing much to be done about it though, I suppose.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

To raise another point, if I may: it seems to me as though lynching someone with a high post count is somewhat counter-productive if you're hoping to get some of the quieter players into the game. What kind of message does it send if the person with the highest post count is voted off? I would imagine it says "Keep your head down and you'll survive." You are not going to get low-posters contributing by voting off high posters, that's my opinion. Perhaps something worth bearing in mind, anyway.

Yeah, I hate the recent trend of voting off the most vocal players because I think it is counter to the spirit of Mafia, which is mostly discussion-based, even in a game like this which is TMDI 10+ and focused around buying/selling goods. So hence my problem with low-posters.

But I still need to think about this case. I'll probably do a reread before deciding to vote or not vote at all today.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

To raise another point, if I may: it seems to me as though lynching someone with a high post count is somewhat counter-productive if you're hoping to get some of the quieter players into the game. What kind of message does it send if the person with the highest post count is voted off? I would imagine it says "Keep your head down and you'll survive." You are not going to get low-posters contributing by voting off high posters, that's my opinion. Perhaps something worth bearing in mind, anyway.

Yeah, I hate the recent trend of voting off the most vocal players because I think it is counter to the spirit of Mafia, which is mostly discussion-based, even in a game like this which is TMDI 10+ and focused around buying/selling goods. So hence my problem with low-posters.

But I still need to think about this case. I'll probably do a reread before deciding to vote or not vote at all today.

Now I resent that. I have purposely been trying NOT to vote for anyone right off the bat that reminds me of Khell.

[Anthras]

If we do decide to vote a low contributor off, decide soon. I suppose I could throw my vote that way, but we only have 5 hours ish.

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

If we do decide to vote a low contributor off, decide soon. I suppose I could throw my vote that way, but we only have 5 hours ish.

I'd rather not lynch to be honest. Either it is a decent case to remove a killer of some sort, or none at all by my thinking.

[Anthras]

Really though, Korlat, please don't kill me

[Anthras]

Fair enough. I truly believe Korlat is a warrior, but if no one else cares then I can back off and hope he's on my team.

[Korlat]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

If we do decide to vote a low contributor off, decide soon. I suppose I could throw my vote that way, but we only have 5 hours ish.

Hmm, remember that speed lynches aren't a necessity in this game...


Although having said that, it would be nice to light a firecracker under some of these low posters. Let me go and take a look at Alkend, Okaros et al.

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

To raise another point, if I may: it seems to me as though lynching someone with a high post count is somewhat counter-productive if you're hoping to get some of the quieter players into the game. What kind of message does it send if the person with the highest post count is voted off? I would imagine it says "Keep your head down and you'll survive." You are not going to get low-posters contributing by voting off high posters, that's my opinion. Perhaps something worth bearing in mind, anyway.

Yeah, I hate the recent trend of voting off the most vocal players because I think it is counter to the spirit of Mafia, which is mostly discussion-based, even in a game like this which is TMDI 10+ and focused around buying/selling goods. So hence my problem with low-posters.

But I still need to think about this case. I'll probably do a reread before deciding to vote or not vote at all today.

Now I resent that. I have purposely been trying NOT to vote for anyone right off the bat that reminds me of Khell.

Sorry, what do you resent exactly? Who's voting for people right off the bat? We're actually coming down to the wire here...

You just confuse me.

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 13 April 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Hence why I still have my vote on Alkend. Though Okaros post padding really irked me and would like to get somemore contribution from either one of them.

You can imagine just how much I care about your feelings. Since you couldn't see the humor behind what I was doing. I feel that I need to write out a picture of how much your feelings mean to me. Imagine for a second if you will. A person sitting on the shitter. Now picture their face as they are taking a gigantic dump. The slightly pained expression with momentary splashes of relief as the build up exits their body. Now picture that person standing up and looking at the bowl below them, only instead of a bowl filled with crap it is your feelings that we see. Now picture the person causally flushing them away. That is how much I care about your feelings about me padding.


Now if you were complaining about me not posting content well that would be a different story. But your not so ^.



As I see it in this game I see no reason at all to lynch. Unless you can know for sure that the person who you are voting for is not on your team or allied. Then why bother taking the chance. The only way that I will vote for someone in this game is if they aren't on my team and are in possession of a title or 2. This game is nothing like even a regular faction game where you are trying to find people not in your faction. In this game lynching could remove someone who is the only person who makes something that you need in order to either advance or to build something. I figure that by the middle of next week the finders will have put enough info out on the board that people will start to know who is in what faction and what their role's are.

I am out for the weekend.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

If we do decide to vote a low contributor off, decide soon. I suppose I could throw my vote that way, but we only have 5 hours ish.

I think that if we really are going to consider lynching a low poster then speed doesn't factor into it that much. If they aren't even around to defend themselves and they have very little content on thread with which to work, we either lynch them or we don't, the debate is simple - very unlike your case on Korlat, which is legitimate and requires thought and analysis, consequences, etc. Where as the low-posters haven't had their alignments sold on the Bazaar, haven't posted thoughts or suspicions, haven't done anything really except God knows what off-thread. So it's a decision of whether to lynch or not rather than analyzing the "case" made for a low poster. But I'm very interested to see what others come up with. I realize I haven't had time to go back and read up on Okaras, Alkend, etc, but I appreciate those who said they will because a little bit of info from them goes a long way.

[Anthras]

The reason I want to lynch the killing people is because I don't want to die.

Thieving, raiding, market stuff, stolen goods, all that I can deal with.

But I want to play the game, ya know? I can recover from lost dinari or goods, I can;t recover from being dead.

I agree with whoever said they don't see the point of lynching this game, with this exception of killing roles.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

To raise another point, if I may: it seems to me as though lynching someone with a high post count is somewhat counter-productive if you're hoping to get some of the quieter players into the game. What kind of message does it send if the person with the highest post count is voted off? I would imagine it says "Keep your head down and you'll survive." You are not going to get low-posters contributing by voting off high posters, that's my opinion. Perhaps something worth bearing in mind, anyway.

Yeah, I hate the recent trend of voting off the most vocal players because I think it is counter to the spirit of Mafia, which is mostly discussion-based, even in a game like this which is TMDI 10+ and focused around buying/selling goods. So hence my problem with low-posters.

But I still need to think about this case. I'll probably do a reread before deciding to vote or not vote at all today.

Now I resent that. I have purposely been trying NOT to vote for anyone right off the bat that reminds me of Khell.

Sorry, what do you resent exactly? Who's voting for people right off the bat? We're actually coming down to the wire here...

You just confuse me.

Here, i've underlined the difficult part for you.
And to further clarify, I made a funny, by saying that I have purosely NOT voted a vocal player, even IF I found them to be annoying.

[Atrahal]

I see. So you were actually just agreeing with me?

[Korlat]

Roll up, roll up! Prepare yourselves for Korlat's tenuous theory of the day! Today's special guest is Alkend! Give him a round of applause, that's right. Now, I was rereading over Alkend's posts. There's not a whole lot there, so it didn't take too long. But I I did find one phrase that felt a bit odd:

Alkend, on 13 April 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

Here, doing a speed read and then I have to be out again. I'll be on properly later though, and if I recall correctly there's a fair amount of dead time between.

There's a lot going on in spite of it being a quiet first day. Should be interesting to see if there's going to be more stealing from the market, but I don't think that could possibly be a daily thing, there must be something more to it than that.

The contracts on Merrid's info are interesting, I'm assuming it's someone from a different faction who's trying to make some money as well as get info out about Merrid without having to put themselves as risk. Sneaky. Makes me wonder what other services might be offered at the bazaar.

Doesn't that sound like a "hmm, maybe I should be marketing my abilities more?" sort of musing? That made me think that perhaps he has been looking at selling the use of his abilities. I also noticed that he was quite interested in the Riddle of Despair. The following post was him talking about it.

Alkend, on 13 April 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

So why would someone do one of the actions? Since it doesn't look like it matters what actions been done until the last.

Edit: by that I mean why would someone stop at one.

Now, the Riddle of Despair is a very interesting item. In order to be able to unlock its value safely, you have to be able to withstand a level 1 assassination...no mean feat. But what if Alkend's interest signifies that he is capable of that feat? On Day 1 there was an assassination contract, was there not? Perhaps, putting Alkend's interest in these two topics together, it's possible that he was the one who posted that contract? In which case he would have to be level 2 at least...scary thought.




Not an especially watertight case, but that's all I could find with the materials available. Perhaps worthy of discussion? I certainly think the fact that someone has bought the Riddle of Despair is indicative of at least one scarily strong player.

[Korlat]

Huh, where did everybody go? Oh well, I'm out for a bit. Might be around again later.